Chiefs Phillip Gaines - Page 7

Chiefshrink · 09-01-2014, 01:52 PM

I haven't had a chance to thoroughly watch the first 3 pre-season games but did watch all of the GB game. Gaines played horrible against 2nd and 3rd string offenses of GB. Has he played this bad all pre-season ? What is your take on the kid so far ?

**The Franchise** · 09-02-2014, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

And yet, Andy Reid was almost certainly going to draft Johnny Football if he had lasted another pick.

Yeah....before Smith got his contract. If Smith didn't have his contract right now....I'd take Bridgewater in the 1st.

Direckshun · 09-02-2014, 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence

Yeah....before Smith got his contract. If Smith didn't have his contract right now....I'd take Bridgewater in the 1st.

Oh, you're time traveling. My bad.

Chiefnj2 · 09-02-2014, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

And yet, Andy Reid was almost certainly going to draft Johnny Football if he had lasted another pick.

Really? He was going to take the most undisciplined, free-wheeling QB in the draft, when he is in love with the ultra conservative, don't even think about making a mistake QB - Alex Smith.

I must have missed the Reid presser when he said "Damnabit, Cleveland took our player and we had to settle fo Ford."

ThaVirus · 09-02-2014, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

Sorenson actually has a pedigree that is worth investing in.

Bronson is a training camp hero. This fan base LOVES those...

Pedigree? They're both undrafted scrubs.

One showed the ability to play in game situations. The other looked like absolute dog shit... We kept the latter.

aturnis · 09-02-2014, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

Sorenson actually has a pedigree that is worth investing in.

Bronson is a training camp hero. This fan base LOVES those...

What the **** are you talking about? Bronson is a training camp hero? Did he do a damned thing in training camp?

**PHOG** · 09-02-2014, 07:06 PM

Gaines sucks right now..patience

**Rausch** · 09-02-2014, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

You guys taking Dennard or Ward over Bridgewater are high on shrooms.

Dennard could help the D.

Bridgewater would do nothing for us this year without targets or an O line...

chiefzilla1501 · 09-02-2014, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by ThaVirus

Pedigree? They're both undrafted scrubs.

One showed the ability to play in game situations. The other looked like absolute dog shit... We kept the latter.

One has been here for a year
The other has been here for a very short few months

That's the HUGE difference to me.

ThaVirus · 09-02-2014, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

One has been here for a year

The other has been here for a very short few months

That's the HUGE difference to me.

One blew dicks and the other actually seemed decent.

That's the huge difference to me.

OldSchool · 09-02-2014, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by ThaVirus

One blew dicks and the other actually seemed decent.

That's the huge difference to me.

Yup, one looked like he could play while the other looked like he could be a kicker, at best.

chiefzilla1501 · 09-02-2014, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by ThaVirus

One blew dicks and the other actually seemed decent.

That's the huge difference to me.

It's preseason games. I would hope that what's more important is your college scouting report, college game film, what you see on the practice field, and what you see potential-wise. If Bronson was a surefire gamer, that's fine. But nobody is picking him up off waivers even though he's young, cheap, and apparently flashed potential. This is just an example of people taking way too much stock in limited preseason snaps to evaluate young talent.

In the end, it's a JAG over a JAG. It's not even like we're talking about the regular season. We're talking about the preseason. I don't think Sorensen will amount to much but let's at least wait until the regular season to see what we have.

ThaVirus · 09-02-2014, 08:57 PM

I usually agree that preseason doesn't mean much... But in this case, whoever won that battle would likely see a significant amount of snaps this season.

They both played a significant amount of time with the starters, against other starters. Bronson appeared to be able to hold his own while Sorenson was involved in, and even directly responsible for, the two biggest plays our first team units allowed this preseason. It wasn't just those two plays either, he looked like burnt dog shit in coverage and against the run.

milkman · 09-02-2014, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

One has been here for a year
The other has been here for a very short few months

That's the HUGE difference to me.

So, let me see if I understand.

Malcolm Bronson is a FS with the ability to cover in nickel, but it was the right decision to release him and hang on to Sorensen, who is a strong safety with some potential, though no one here has actually any evidence of that potential.

On the other hand, we just signed a vet to play the role that Bronson would have played in this defense, and he Bronson actually displayed potential, and the vet has a history of suck.

Just love the consistency.

OldSchool · 09-02-2014, 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

It's preseason games. I would hope that what's more important is your college scouting report, college game film, what you see on the practice field, and what you see potential-wise. If Bronson was a surefire gamer, that's fine. But nobody is picking him up off waivers even though he's young, cheap, and apparently flashed potential. This is just an example of people taking way too much stock in limited preseason snaps to evaluate young talent.

In the end, it's a JAG over a JAG. It's not even like we're talking about the regular season. We're talking about the preseason. I don't think Sorensen will amount to much but let's at least wait until the regular season to see what we have.

Since you're so hung up on college scouting reports, here is one on Bronson.

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Meet His New Running Mate, Malcolm Bronson
Similar to the Honey Badger in many aspects, Malcolm Bronson exhibits the same type of violent, emotional, and physical style of play, while having a knack for coming up with big-time plays in crucial moments. An aggressive player that will take some chances in the secondary, Bronson similarly struggles in sustaining coverage downfield when the play breaks down. And much like Mathieu, he is best when facing the action. So how much of a prospect is Malcolm Bronson really?

First off, Malcolm Bronson possesses much better size measurables than his new McNeese State teammate, Tyrann Mathieu, as he holds a rock solid, 5’11 200 pound frame. Quicker than fast with a 4.5 estimated 40 time, Bronson shows out with his short area acceleration, explosive hitting power, and plus ball skills. Exceptional in run support, Bronson showcases the click and close athleticism to be a dynamic, alley defender. Flying downhill full speed, Bronson more importantly does an excellent job of breaking down on the ball carrier and wrapping up to secure the tackle.

A violent headhunter in the back half, Bronson led the team in total tackles, pass break ups, and forced fumbles, delivering vicious hits to separate the receiver from the football. Sitting into his pedal and type-writing his steps back into coverage, Bronson also displays the range to cover the deep middle third and deep outer half of the field; reading the eye level of the quarterback and reacting quickly to the ball in air, Bronson constantly gets his hands on the football, as evidenced by his two-year totals of 7 interceptions and 15 pass deflections.

He actually showed many of these traits during the pre-season games, which means that, unlike Sorensen, Bronson's game actually translates to the NFL and not just college; which is why him being cut in favor of Sorensen is very puzzling to me and many other people.

ThaVirus · 09-02-2014, 09:06 PM

Sorenson is the equivalent of a bag of smashed assholes. No one wants him.

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ThaVirus 5 o’clock free crack giveaway Join Date: Sep 2007 Casino cash: $-1587631	I usually agree that preseason doesn't mean much... But in this case, whoever won that battle would likely see a significant amount of snaps this season. They both played a significant amount of time with the starters, against other starters. Bronson appeared to be able to hold his own while Sorenson was involved in, and even directly responsible for, the two biggest plays our first team units allowed this preseason. It wasn't just those two plays either, he looked like burnt dog shit in coverage and against the run.
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