2014-2015 NBA regular season thread.

[Al Bundy]

I will update this when the schedule is announced in a couple of weeks, but I will open with the new uniforms for the Charlotte Hornets below.

Introducing the brand new Charlotte #HornetsUnis! http://t.co/MgHy2DcOTX pic.twitter.com/w59MlUvRgd

— Charlotte Hornets (@hornets) June 19, 2014

[chiefzilla1501]

The problem is people think the trade is for Kevin Love and Wiggins straight up. Of course Love is a million times better in that deal. But that's not all in the deal. .

The Cavs would give up:
-Wiggins + Bennett. That's two #1 picks even if Bennett was highly over drafted
-Multiple first rounders which either help you get depth or become valuable trading chips if you want to do a sign and trade, roster dump, or trade
-$10M in cap space. With the 2015 $10M trade exception, that could easily land you a Marc Gasol or a Hibbert who might play for less than max. It will easily land you a DeAndre Jordan, Asik, or Tyson Chandler. And STILL have cap space for another big move.

What if the lineup ended up being in 2015:
Kyrie / Wiggins / Lebron / Thompson / Gasol with Waiters / Bennett / James Jones / Mike Miller / Varejao as your depth guys. Even better if you can trade Waiters and get some other assets. PLUS you probably have another $10M to make some other roster moves.

Or
Kyrie / Waiters / Lebron / Love / Varejao
Your bench depth is Miller, Jones, and Tristan Thompson and other fillers. The first two maybe 2 or 3 years left in their tank. Tristan Thompson would be forced to play out of position for Center depth. Varejao probably leaves after next year. Waiters and Kyrie may or may not get along in the starting lineup.

Sorry, not wow'ed by the second scenario. Horrible roster depth, cap strapped and missing picks to find that depth, and a glaring hole for long-term rim protection. Whatever quality depth you have becomes un-signable making this roster a disaster in year 3.

[mcaj22]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

The problem is people think the trade is for Kevin Love and Wiggins straight up. Of course Love is a million times better in that deal. But that's not all in the deal. .

The Cavs would give up:
-Wiggins + Bennett. That's two #1 picks even if Bennett was highly over drafted
-Multiple first rounders which either help you get depth or become valuable trading chips if you want to do a sign and trade, roster dump, or trade
-$10M in cap space. With the 2015 $10M trade exception, that could easily land you a Marc Gasol or a Hibbert who might play for less than max. It will easily land you a DeAndre Jordan, Asik, or Tyson Chandler. And STILL have cap space for another big move.

What if the lineup ended up being in 2015:
Kyrie / Wiggins / Lebron / Thompson / Gasol with Waiters / Bennett / James Jones / Mike Miller / Varejao as your depth guys. Even better if you can trade Waiters and get some other assets. PLUS you probably have another $10M to make some other roster moves.

Or
Kyrie / Waiters / Lebron / Love / Varejao
Your bench depth is Miller, Jones, and Tristan Thompson and other fillers. The first two maybe 2 or 3 years left in their tank. Tristan Thompson would be forced to play out of position for Center depth. Varejao probably leaves after next year. Waiters and Kyrie may or may not get along in the starting lineup.

Sorry, not wow'ed by the second scenario. Horrible roster depth, cap strapped and missing picks to find that depth, and a glaring hole for long-term rim protection. Whatever quality depth you have becomes un-signable making this roster a disaster in year 3.

what fantasy scenario are you getting Marc Gasol exactly? Via trade? or playing the NBA2k video game? Because it's certainly not going to be on the open market for 10 million per.

[KC_Connection]

Marc Gasol has no reason to play for less than the max.

[tk13]

I'm all about the LeBron/Wiggins combo... but I think we're going too far the other way. Love is a 26/12 guy and he's only 25 years old. Yes you have to put talent around a big three, but by the end the big three was a big one because Wade/Bosh looked out of gas. If Bosh was out there averaging 20/12 LeBron might still be with the Heat.

Love is 25 years old, about to turn 26. He shouldn't be toast in 3 years. The only other 26/12 guys to ever be traded were Jabbar and Moses Malone. We're talking about getting a guy performing at an all-time level in return.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by mcaj22

what fantasy scenario are you getting Marc Gasol exactly? Via trade? or playing the NBA2k video game? Because it's certainly not going to be on the open market for 10 million per.

If the Cavs sign and trade with Memphis, they can get Bird rights. They will have a $10M trade exception triggering in 2015 through the Brendan Haywood trade. If they package Waiters or Bennett or both, that's $6M per and $12M if you package both.

I am not saying that's in play. I am saying that it would not be hard to add a quality rim protector and STILL have lots of money to still throw around. So instead of Love, they could end up with Wiggins, Bennett, multiple first rounders, quality rim protector, PLUS money to spend on additional veterans.

[mcaj22]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

If the Cavs sign and trade with Memphis, they can get Bird rights. They will have a $10M trade exception triggering in 2015 through the Brendan Haywood trade. If they package Waiters or Bennett or both, that's $6M per and $12M if you package both.

I am not saying that's in play. I am saying that it would not be hard to add a quality rim protector and STILL have lots of money to still throw around. So instead of Love, they could end up with Wiggins, Bennett, multiple first rounders, quality rim protector, PLUS money to spend on additional veterans.

you have a better chance of getting Kate Upton's phone number and a date than Memphis even answering the phone to consider a sign and trade of Marc Gasol to help the Cavs

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by mcaj22

you have a better chance of getting Kate Upton's phone number and a date than Memphis even answering the phone to consider a sign and trade of Marc Gasol to help the Cavs

My example didn't say Marc Gasol was the only answer. It was just an example to show the range of rim protectors they can look into. But to answer your question, if Memphis can't re-sign Gasol, then I don't see why they wouldn't be open to the kind of trade comp Cleveland is proposing to Minnesota which is a very good haul.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Memphis isn't going to trade Gasol because they are a legitimate contender.

And the Heat could have won with their big three if Pat Riley wasn't an overrated one who sucks the penis who chased names instead of talent. They had Patrick Beverley in house and cut him. They missed on essentially every pick they made, and Arison did not want to go over the tax, which further depleted the roster.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Memphis isn't going to trade Gasol because they are a legitimate contender.

And the Heat could have won with their big three if Pat Riley wasn't an overrated one who sucks the penis who chased names instead of talent. They had Patrick Beverley in house and cut him. They missed on essentially every pick they made, and Arison did not want to go over the tax, which further depleted the roster.

Again, I am pointing out that Cleveland can wait until 2015, let their Haywood $10M exception trigger, and land a quality rim protector. Gasol was just an example and is a guy I believe better complements the Cavs right now than Love.

And while you're right about the Heat, you also have to realize that the big 3 took big pay cuts. The Cavs are going to be giving max contracts to three people. The Heat gave up a few draft picks to get the Big 3. We are talking about a proposal here where the Cavs give up four #1 picks (two of them will be top 5, potentially #1 picks). And no doubt that the Heat had a lot less maneuverability to make any moves beyond the big 3. So yeah, the Big 3 the Cavs are talking about, they sure as shit better work out because it's even bigger and a shitload more expensive than the one in Miami.

[okcchief]

The Wolves have the high ground right now. You are a complete ****ing idiot if you think otherwise.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by okcchief

The Wolves have the high ground right now. If are a complete ****ing idiot if you think otherwise.

Complete hypothetical. What if Love and his agent said the only place he'd extend his contract is in Cleveland?

And does Cleveland have to trade for Love? Can they wait until midseason to do it?

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Lebron James is one of the game's best facilitators. After-prime Lebron is still going to be an elite player for years to come. But not if he's playing 40 minutes a night, which is what he's being set up to do with a Love super-trade.

And where is this ridiculous idea that the Cavs are going to suck if they don't sign Love? Without Love, they are still a heavy contender in the Eastern conference. I am talking about wanting a quality rim protector, and seeing what they have in their young guys. It's possible that Bennett, Kyrie, Waiters, Thompson, Wiggins will see dramatic growth this year. Why do people think it's going to take 3 years for that to happen? If you get Lebron, Kyrie, rim protector plus that kind of youth depth, plus veterans like Mike Miller and James Jones, that sounds like a good team to me. More bench depth, no major glaring gaps in the team, and you keep a lot of those draft picks that can maintain the team.

jfc. Lebron has a 2 year contract. Do you guys not understand this? Win he stays, if they don't build around him again and not win he is gone. I can't believe I have to explain this to you. You are usually smarter than this.

The current Cavs roster is probably the 2nd best team in the East and could get to the Finals because of Lebron but will get beat by the West team. Cavs with Love, Lebron and Irving win it all this upcoming season.

[Rudy tossed tigger's salad]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Memphis isn't going to trade Gasol because they are a legitimate contender.

And the Heat could have won with their big three if Pat Riley wasn't an overrated one who sucks the penis who chased names instead of talent. They had Patrick Beverley in house and cut him. They missed on essentially every pick they made, and Arison did not want to go over the tax, which further depleted the roster.

Pat Beverley is a piece of shit.

[mcaj22]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

My example didn't say Marc Gasol was the only answer. It was just an example to show the range of rim protectors they can look into. But to answer your question, if Memphis can't re-sign Gasol, then I don't see why they wouldn't be open to the kind of trade comp Cleveland is proposing to Minnesota which is a very good haul.

are you talking about the Bennett/Waiters/Scrub trade offer or if the Cavs actually offered Wiggins/Bennett for Gasol

even then, if I was Memphis I would still ask for way more. Just like the Wolves should.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by mcaj22

are you talking about the Bennett/Waiters/Scrub trade offer or if the Cavs actually offered Wiggins/Bennett for Gasol

even then, if I was Memphis I would still ask for way more. Just like the Wolves should.

And again, at least in that max contract scenario you're adding a third player who complements your players. The cavs long term need a rim protector more than they need an offensive weapon and stretch four. and no, if the cavs get into 2015 and Memphis decides not to keep him, that is not going to demand the kind of trade comp love is asking for now which is extremely aggressive.