****The Official NEW new new conference realignment & shit talk thread****

[Saul Good]

Let's do it.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

All the tourney numbers show is that people really like filling out brackets. With out that it is an even more embarrassing shit show. I had no idea that few people watched regular season coin flip games.

[Prison Bitch]

Originally Posted by PGM

All the tourney numbers show is that people really like filling out brackets. With out that it is an even more embarrassing shit show. I had no idea that few people watched regular season coin flip games.

Then why does the Final Four outdraw the BCS games? People sit around on their couches for 5 hours watching basketball games, clutching their brackets?


Idiot.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

Then why does the Final Four outdraw the BCS games? People sit around on their couches for 5 hours watching basketball games, clutching their brackets?


Idiot.

They are curious who wins the office pool. I have to admit the numbers for hoops are way more pathetic than previously thought. A Duke Pilgrim game draws only 2 million fans That is sadder than the Arrowhead dozen.

[Prison Bitch]

Originally Posted by blake5676

You'll have to forgive me...I haven't seen any evidence that shows this. But wouldn't that make sense, considering it's the best conference with the best players? It may be concentrated more in the south, but don't fool yourself that other areas don't care.

I've posted this data multiple times on the thread, you should be able to locate it easily. Among the top 65 markets in the country, about 50 of them don't watch much college football. The other 15 markets light up the Nielsen meters like a pinball machine. It is also consistent over time.


Among the top-10 markets for the BCS Title game this year, all 10 were in the South. CFA's biggest markets are all located in 1 quadrant and it is indisputable.

Exactly what part (14M) of the country would you guess was watching the Ohio St-Michigan St regular season game? Obviously not the same part (1.3M) that watched KU-KSU in basketball on a Saturday???

You should quote apples to apples. I would bet the KU-KSU football game didn't draw very many folks either. There are plenty of D1 football games that don't get any viewers.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

So, southern football teams are a bigger draw in the south u are a real Norman Einstein

[Bambi]

Originally Posted by blake5676

I don't even know what that means or what you're trying to say? Do you?

I don't think anyone has ever tried to argue that March Madness is a bad draw or not popular. It's an incredibly well put together tournament that brings in millions of viewers and TONS of money. That being said, hoops still doesn't trump college football...in viewership, money, relevance, popularity, etc.

Regular season college basketball is even worse. Roughly 80% of all televised games drew between a 0.0 and 0.4 TV rating. Do you know what that equals out to? About 550,000 viewers. On the absolute high end. That's pathetic and there's basically nothing else that needs to be said about the relevance of the CBB regular season. NO ONE CARES.

Just for fun, let's continue though: Of all televised regular season CBB games in the entire 2013-14 season, exactly NINE came in at a 2.0 or higher. NINE. College football knocked out 7 games above 2.0 on a single regular season Saturday, and on average has 4-5/week.

Since basketball is the holy grail at your beloved KU, lets see how many people outside of Lawrence/KC tuned in to watch...
KU-Duke: 2.1 this is the ONE game that was a "decent" national draw
KU-KSU: neither rivalry game against Kstate could even crack 1.0
KU-Florida: 0.9 which most would consider a prime game
KU @ Iowa St 1.1, Iowa St @ KU was a piss poor 0.3 (411k watched this game against ranked opponents!)

Hell, more people watched Mizzou-Alabama bball game than the KU-Texas game on the same day this February. Again I realize the point of this post is not to bag on KU and mainly to show needle dick how irrelevant his favorite sport is, but this is the shit talk thread afterall.

Back to the point. Can you not see all this proof? Nobody cares about CBB until the 3rd weekend in March. The absolute highest rated regular season game in all of college basketball this year was Duke vs Syracuse that registered a whopping 2.9 rating. Texas A&M against RICE did that in week 1 on the college football season! Cant argue facts.

If you have any evidence contradicting this or that shows I'm wrong, please add it to this discussion.

Of course the college football games are going to be rated higher during the regular season. THERE ARE 12 OF THEM.

You're not spreading a team around playing as much as 3-4 times in a week like they do for college basketball. If Kansas, Duke, UNC, Kentucky, etc all played on Saturday only 12 times the numbers would be much, much higher.

March rating are higher of course just like the NFL playoffs are higher than their regular season. Not to mention that CBB playoffs have to go against better weather in the spring which makes it more difficult to keep people inside watching games.

College Football has all the benefits of prime TV viewing. Fact is that a few programs in both sports command big numbers. Otherwise 0-2.0 ratings are very common for everything. Just look at this years college football postseason.

http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2..._tv_viewe.html

[Pasta Little Brioni]

This argument is dried up a d withered away. The people have spoken and a clear winner emerged.

[Prison Bitch]

Originally Posted by Bambi

March rating are higher of course just like the NFL playoffs are higher than their regular season. Not to mention that CBB playoffs have to go against better weather in the spring which makes it more difficult to keep people inside watching games.

Check out this veritable "who's who" of America's finest urban spots:

Top 20 College Football Markets for 2011
No. 1 Birmingham: 5.9 rating
No. 2 Oklahoma City: 4.3 rating
Columbus: 4.3 rating
No. 4 Greenville: 4.1 rating
No. 5 New Orleans: 3.4 rating
Atlanta: 3.4 rating
No. 7 Jacksonville: 3.3 rating
Tulsa: 3.3 rating
No. 9 Las Vegas: 3.2 rating
No. 10 Knoxville: 3.0 rating
No. 11 Dayton: 2.8 rating
No. 12 Greensboro: 2.7 rating
Austin: 2.7 rating
Charlotte: 2.7 rating
Fort Myers: 2.7 rating
No. 16 Pittsburgh: 2.5 rating
Nashville: 2.5 rating
Norfolk: 2.5 rating
Memphis: 2.5
http://espnmediazone.com/us/press-re...three-in-2011/

[blake5676]

Originally Posted by Bambi

Of course the college football games are going to be rated higher during the regular season. THERE ARE 12 OF THEM.

You're not spreading a team around playing as much as 3-4 times in a week like they do for college basketball. If Kansas, Duke, UNC, Kentucky, etc all played on Saturday only 12 times the numbers would be much, much higher.

March rating are higher of course just like the NFL playoffs are higher than their regular season. Not to mention that CBB playoffs have to go against better weather in the spring which makes it more difficult to keep people inside watching games.

Outside of tournament time to begin the season, CBB teams play twice a week. CFB teams play once a week. I understand the difference in number of games, but don't pretend that the numbers don't support CFB being a better draw by casting off scheduling as an exuse. The numbers for weekend basketball games, even prime ones against ranked opponents still PALE in comparison to the TV sets watching football. And weather? Seriously? You're reaching, little doe.

College Football has all the benefits of prime TV viewing. Fact is that a few programs in both sports command big numbers. Otherwise 0-2.0 ratings are very common for everything. Just look at this years college football postseason.

You must have missed the part where 80% of CBB games register under 600k viewers or less, a 0.0-0.4 rating. Don't expand that number to 2.0, because a 2.0 rating is a pretty decent rating. It's a number that college basketball surpassed only 9 times in the entire season this year.

So again, show me some numbers that support that people care about CBB before the 3rd weekend in March.

[blake5676]

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

Check out this veritable "who's who" of America's finest urban spots:

Top 20 College Football Markets for 2011
No. 1 Birmingham: 5.9 rating
No. 2 Oklahoma City: 4.3 rating
Columbus: 4.3 rating
No. 4 Greenville: 4.1 rating
No. 5 New Orleans: 3.4 rating
Atlanta: 3.4 rating
No. 7 Jacksonville: 3.3 rating
Tulsa: 3.3 rating
No. 9 Las Vegas: 3.2 rating
No. 10 Knoxville: 3.0 rating
No. 11 Dayton: 2.8 rating
No. 12 Greensboro: 2.7 rating
Austin: 2.7 rating
Charlotte: 2.7 rating
Fort Myers: 2.7 rating
No. 16 Pittsburgh: 2.5 rating
Nashville: 2.5 rating
Norfolk: 2.5 rating
Memphis: 2.5
http://espnmediazone.com/us/press-re...three-in-2011/

I looked at your link and I'm not sure the point you're trying to make. I see 14 cities on the 2011 top 25 list that are not considered Southeast USA. But again, wouldn't you expect the cities that have good teams to have higher viewership? Or are you laughing by yourself over the fact that most of those are college towns and not major US cities?

[Prison Bitch]

Originally Posted by blake5676

I looked at your link and I'm not sure the point you're trying to make. I see 14 cities on the 2011 top 25 list that are not considered Southeast USA. But again, wouldn't you expect the cities that have good teams to have higher viewership? Or are you laughing by yourself over the fact that most of those are college towns and not major US cities?

Top 20 College Football Markets for 2011
No. 1 Birmingham: 5.9 rating
No. 2 Oklahoma City: 4.3 rating
Columbus: 4.3 rating
No. 4 Greenville: 4.1 rating
No. 5 New Orleans: 3.4 rating
Atlanta: 3.4 rating
No. 7 Jacksonville: 3.3 rating
Tulsa: 3.3 rating
No. 9 Las Vegas: 3.2 rating
No. 10 Knoxville: 3.0 rating
No. 11 Dayton: 2.8 rating
No. 12 Greensboro: 2.7 rating
Austin: 2.7 rating
Charlotte: 2.7 rating
Fort Myers: 2.7 rating
No. 16 Pittsburgh: 2.5 rating
Nashville: 2.5 rating
Norfolk: 2.5 rating
Memphis: 2.5

I've bolded the only ones that are in the South. I don't see many cities located in other parts of the country.

[blake5676]

Here's the comparable basketball one, from your exact same source:

No. 1 Louisville: 4.5 rating
No. 2 Greensboro: 3.5 rating
No. 3 Kansas City: 2.8 rating
No. 4 Columbus: 2.7 rating
Raleigh-Durham 2.7 rating
No. 6 Charlotte: 2.3 rating
No. 7 Cincinnati: 2.1 rating
No. 8 Dayton: 2.0 rating
No. 9 Indianapolis: 1.8 rating
Knoxville: 1.8 rating
No. 11 Memphis: 1.6 rating
Nashville: 1.6 rating
No. 13 Greenville: 1.5 rating
No. 14 Cleveland: 1.4 rating
Birmingham: 1.4 rating
Las Vegas: 1.4 rating


It appears that people in southern states care about sports more in general as well. I still am not seeing your point that baskeball is a sport that a much larger portion of the country cares about. These show that's not true, just like all the other posts I made on the subject yesterday. You're failing like Cosmo in a DC thread...just quit.

Also, just for icing on the cake, compare the number of markets above 2.0 between the two sports. The CFB has all 29 cities on the link you provided. CBB has a measly 8, with 4 of those coming from the area of the country you think shouldn't count. Argument over.

[Bambi]

Originally Posted by blake5676

Outside of tournament time to begin the season, CBB teams play twice a week. CFB teams play once a week. I understand the difference in number of games, but don't pretend that the numbers don't support CFB being a better draw by casting off scheduling as an exuse. The numbers for weekend basketball games, even prime ones against ranked opponents still PALE in comparison to the TV sets watching football. And weather? Seriously? You're reaching, little doe.




You must have missed the part where 80% of CBB games register under 600k viewers or less, a 0.0-0.4 rating. Don't expand that number to 2.0, because a 2.0 rating is a pretty decent rating. It's a number that college basketball surpassed only 9 times in the entire season this year.

So again, show me some numbers that support that people care about CBB before the 3rd weekend in March.

I'm not going to argue that people care about it more in March. It's the playoffs. Just like the NFL has playoffs. Of course the numbers are going to explode.

Corporations in America know that the affluent CBB viewer might be slightly lower in numbers but the people who watch are much more important than those that watch CFB. This is reflected in the dollars spent.

The NFL and CBB playoffs work so well by gathering extreme numbers and value around a concentrated time that peaks America's excitement.

The same concentration doesn't exist for CFB. If it did perhaps the numbers would be similar to the NFL and CBB.

[Prison Bitch]

Originally Posted by blake5676

Here's the comparable basketball one, from your exact same source:

No. 1 Louisville: 4.5 rating
No. 2 Greensboro: 3.5 rating
No. 3 Kansas City: 2.8 rating
No. 4 Columbus: 2.7 rating
Raleigh-Durham 2.7 rating
No. 6 Charlotte: 2.3 rating
No. 7 Cincinnati: 2.1 rating
No. 8 Dayton: 2.0 rating
No. 9 Indianapolis: 1.8 rating
Knoxville: 1.8 rating
No. 11 Memphis: 1.6 rating
Nashville: 1.6 rating
No. 13 Greenville: 1.5 rating
No. 14 Cleveland: 1.4 rating
Birmingham: 1.4 rating
Las Vegas: 1.4 rating


It appears that people in southern states care about sports more in general as well. I still am not seeing your point that baskeball is a sport that a much larger portion of the country cares about. These show that's not true, just like all the other posts I made on the subject yesterday. You're failing like Cosmo in a DC thread...just quit.

Also, just for icing on the cake, compare the number of markets above 2.0 between the two sports. The CFB has all 29 cities on the link you provided. CBB has a measly 8, with 4 of those coming from the area of the country you think shouldn't count. Argument over.

You can unbold Louisville and Las Vegas. As you can see from the data, CBB actually has fans in Michigan, Connecticut, KC/STL, etc. Probably because the "blue bloods" are located across the country and not concentrated in one area. College football won't expand popularity if one quadrant (and one small group of teams therein) win all the time.


The title games and regular season games show much less concentration which I can re-post if you like. To your broader point about there being "overlap", yes. That's correct, I've stated as much. According to Harris Polling, people who watch college football tend to also watch college basketball at some significant level.

[Bambi]

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch

You can unbold Louisville and Las Vegas. As you can see from the data, CBB actually has fans in Michigan, Connecticut, KC/STL, etc. Probably because the "blue bloods" are located across the country and not concentrated in one area. College football won't expand popularity if one quadrant (and one small group of teams therein) win all the time.


The title games and regular season games show much less concentration which I can re-post if you like. To your broader point about there being "overlap", yes. That's correct, I've stated as much. According to Harris Polling, people who watch college football tend to also watch college basketball at some significant level.

College Football is much more regional than other sports. Fans of college football typically don't leave or get jobs outside of the place they were born. Lower income people concentrated in places like Alabama, Georgia, South Carolina, etc stay close to home all their lives thus the tv numbers reflect this.

Nationwide Mutual, Chrysler, Ford, General Motors, Mercedes, Nissan, Volkswagen, AT&T, Capitol One, etc spend much much more money on CBB because those are the customers that have value.