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**Mr. Flopnuts** · 05:54 AM

You guys essentially voted me into this role. I wanted it. I thought I would be a good fit for the role. I've always been a mediator in life. Essentially, becoming a moderator has affected my enjoyment of this site. If you've paid attention, you'll know that I don't post here nearly as often as I used too. In fact, I've noticed that's the case with all of the current moderators, and former moderators as well.

That said, I still am here daily. I read your posts, and do my best to clean up the spam, and handle the behind the scenes issues that go on with the site every day. I don't want to step down, but the fact is, I'm aware that some folks are unhappy with the way that I've handled certain situations. I'll admit it, there have been times that my emotions have affected my decisions. That's not a good thing. I've done some long and hard thinking, and decided that I cannot make snap decisions when someone pisses me off. I'm not sure there's a moderator in the history of this site that hasn't done that at one time or another though. Ultimately, I believe that I'm still a good fit for this job, and I know Kyle is satisfied with my performance to this point.

That said, I've always believed this site is all about it's user base. No, it's not a democracy. It's a free board paid for by Kyle. But it doesn't exist without you guys coming here and posting. You are the life blood of Chiefsplanet, and you are the ones that have made it the very best message board for not only the Kansas City Chiefs, but in my opinion, the entire internet.

When I came here 9 years ago this month, I had zero experience with online communities. Chiefsplanet was the first board I'd ever joined. Since then, I still have never joined another online community. Growing up in Seattle, it was amazing for me to be able to connect with a group of people that were as passionate as I was about the Chiefs. I love this place. No, it's not what it was too me, but I don't see myself ever just walking away from the board. I may not post as much, but I always read it. You guys are ****ing hilarious. I throw a bone in there once in a while myself.

Enough rambling. I'm putting my head on the chopping block. I haven't brought this up to the other mods, or Kyle. This is my decision to make, and mine alone. If you're satisfied with my work, then vote yes. Keep me on as a mod. If not, vote no. I'm a big boy. I can take it if you don't like my style. It will be a public vote for obvious reasons. No harm, no foul regardless of your take. We can still be friends, even if you don't like me as a moderator. I won't take it personal. This poll will be open all weekend, and close early Monday morning.

It's your call. Your voice. Your will on whether or not I will continue to moderate here at Chiefsplanet. Make your voice heard.

03-09-2014, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by KC native

This isn't first time this has happened.

I just don't cry about it all over the board when it happens.

You're right. You have some pride and that's great. But have some pride in the way in which you conduct yourself. Reach out to somebody you don't like and bury the hatchet. Get to know them. Build a relationship. It's a whole lot more fulfilling than baiting them into dropping racial slurs on you.

03-09-2014, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by DaFace

This thread has contracted venereal disease.

It's horrible. I'm just about through with it. I hate all this. I don't have a magic wand. But I haven't heard a single word about "inner circle" lately so at least that myth has been put to bed.

**TrebMaxx** · 03-09-2014, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Phobia

Native is smarter about his trolling that most the guys he's baiting. He knows the rules and he stays within them. That makes it impossible for me when everybody else is stepping on their own dicks to get to him. The two month "lawnboy" schtick was just a small, unfortunate piece of the pie. But what am I supposed to do if one of my friends starts calling a black guy "lazy darky" because he got under his skin. I'm going to do what is right and my friend is going to be pissed at me.

At the same time you let "lazy darky" stalk your friend pushing him to the breaking point. There didn't seem to be any post your friend could make that "lazy darky" wouldn't inject into in a negative way.

**007** · 03-09-2014, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Phobia

You're right. You have some pride and that's great. But have some pride in the way in which you conduct yourself. Reach out to somebody you don't like and bury the hatchet. Get to know them. Build a relationship. It's a whole lot more fulfilling than baiting them into dropping racial slurs on you.

Exactly. I got into it with a few people on this board early on and now, because of that, I consider them very good friends. Native has shown zero interest in that and just baits and baits and baits.

**ShortRoundChief** · 03-09-2014, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Phobia

You're right. You have some pride and that's great. But have some pride in the way in which you conduct yourself. Reach out to somebody you don't like and bury the hatchet. Get to know them. Build a relationship. It's a whole lot more fulfilling than baiting them into dropping racial slurs on you.

Holy ****. Dr. Phil?

**TimBone** · 03-09-2014, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Phobia

Native is smarter about his trolling that most the guys he's baiting. He knows the rules and he stays within them. That makes it impossible for me when everybody else is stepping on their own dicks to get to him. The two month "lawnboy" schtick was just a small, unfortunate piece of the pie. But what am I supposed to do if one of my friends starts calling a black guy "lazy darky" because he got under his skin. I'm going to do what is right and my friend is going to be pissed at me.

Understood. Like I said, that was just my perception from the outside looking in. You mods might have had some conversation about Native behind closed doors and the end result was exactly what you just posted. He's a problem, but for the most part he's within the rules. It just didn't get acknowledged much publicly(at least that I remember), and that made it appear as though he was being favored.

I also agree that he's a smart, talented troll...but still, just a troll.

**Easy 6** · 03-09-2014, 09:25 PM

I've certainly not been here as long as many people, never been to a Planet function at Joes or anywhere else either... but it sure seems like many of the people who have are no longer wanted, by that I mean that their complaints are no longer heard and if they are they're discounted in a big way.

"hey you guys chose to leave, oh well see ya" doesn't seem like a very friendly or loyal proposition to people who've been so good for this site... me, I'm something of an outsider anyway so its not a personal matter, but the fact is that it seems like many solid vets are leaving and no one gives a damn, maybe because "we have the traffic, your loss means little".

FTR... Flop has never been anything but cool to me, honest answers to private questions, many pos rep messages etc... that's why I think he should stay on, he might let emotion get the better of him but so do I and I'm 43... I'd like to think I'm above that at 43, but all too often I find that I'm not and get drawn into things. We're all human.

Phil... there is all too often a cool arrogance in his dealings with others... "hey take it or leave it, not gonna cuss ya or whatever, just gonna jack you up and/or ignore you in any other number of ways, been here a long time? show up to the functions? don't care we got plenty of traffic without ya"

Dudes never done anything to me, but I do notice that beefs with longtime members don't seem to mean much to him.. all of the time, money and memories ought to count for more than they do, with certain people, than they do with Phil... IMO.

Maybe I'm white knighting a bit, but it sure seems like personal feelings and pride play a larger role than they should sometimes... "I'm not gonna beg" sounds like another way of saying "I don't care" sometimes.

**DaFace** · 03-09-2014, 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Phobia

It's horrible. I'm just about through with it. I hate all this. I don't have a magic wand. But I haven't heard a single word about "inner circle" lately so at least that myth has been put to bed.

03-09-2014, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by TrebMaxx

At the same time you let "lazy darky" stalk your friend pushing him to the breaking point. There didn't seem to be any post your friend could make that "lazy darky" wouldn't inject into in a negative way.

At some point, grownups have to be grownups and people who come here mostly for recreation should not be expected to babysit them for months and years.

**dirk digler** · 03-09-2014, 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief

I came up with an idea on how to moderate DC. Had both sides of the political spectrum on board. Never heard back. Not even a no thanks. Thats no biggie though. If I had to say one thing is the cause for old timers posting on the hub its the aggressiveness of posters, not mods, that's got people cutting back on their posting here.

I think we all are still waiting to hear from Kyle about his algorithm to determine what is racist language and what is not.

**AustinChief** · 03-09-2014, 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by dirk digler

I think we all are still waiting to hear from Kyle about his algorithm to determine what is racist language and what is not.

No one was willing to have the conversation on it. I thought it was something that we could talk our way through and get at least "some" form of consensus.. it's funny that the problem ended up not being one of people disagreeing... it was one of people simply not wanting to have a thought out discussion on the matter. I kept trying to push the conversation forward and ended up mostly talking to myself.

**dirk digler** · 03-09-2014, 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by AustinChief

No one was willing to have the conversation on it. I thought it was something that we could talk our way through and get at least "some" form of consensus.. it's funny that the problem ended up not being one of people disagreeing it was one of people simply not wanting to have a thought out discussion on the matter. I kept trying to push the conversation forward and ended up mostly talking to myself.

I was and still am but I thought you were making it overly complicated when it really isn't.

03-09-2014, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by scott free

Phil... there is all too often a cool arrogance in his dealings with others... "hey take it or leave it, not gonna cuss ya or whatever, just gonna jack you up and/or ignore you in any other number of ways, been here a long time? show up to the functions? don't care we got plenty of traffic without ya"

Dudes never done anything to me, but I do notice that beefs with longtime members don't seem to mean much to him.. all of the time, money and memories ought to count for more than they do, with certain people, than they do with Phil... IMO.

There's no doubt you've seen this, especially with people in the past year. I've had people accusing me of favorable treatment my entire tenure. So when I treat people like bugeater and frazod (who have both been to my house) the same as I treat everybody else when they abuse rep and then we're no longer friends because of it, I'm going to have an attitude about it. I don't have time to coddle assholes and it's not in my job description whatsoever. I was a whole lot kinder a decade ago, no doubt. But I'm not bending over for people like bugeater and frazod when they show me zero respect as a friend first and foremost and as a leader on this site. Their behavior hurt me at first but now I'm a little cavalier about it. That's probably a defense mechanism.

If I'm arrogant about anybody else, I don't know why. I don't have the desire to change people's minds once they've made them up. I'm tired of the lies and the accusations. Those people still insist I read their private messages. I've never once read anybody's private messages. But try to convince them of that.

**AustinChief** · 03-09-2014, 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by dirk digler

I was and still am but I thought you were making it overly complicated when it really isn't.

Not trying to sidetrack this thread too much... but most people think that "well it's OBVIOUS" what is racist and what isn't... yeah, that's easily said but not at all easily enforced. There is a metric ton of grey area and I always tend to err on the side of free speech.

You can't just make a "list".. it's not the simple if you want to avoid the constant bitching that comes from "judgement calls."

I think we were on a decent track before everyone got lazy and stopped discussing it.

**AustinChief** · 03-09-2014, 09:51 PM

oh and just to be clear... the only people who have access to read everyone's PMS are the people with root level access to the db... which is basically ME. It would be a complete pain in the ass to do it... and I'm far too lazy to do so.

So when people accuse mods of reading PMs... they don't know what they are talking about. Don't believe me? Ask DaFace, he knows.

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03-08-2014, 05:48 AM
Mr. Flopnuts FINALLY! The wait is over. Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: The Future Is Now!!! Casino cash: $19947565	Would you like me to step down as a moderator of Chiefsplanet? You guys essentially voted me into this role. I wanted it. I thought I would be a good fit for the role. I've always been a mediator in life. Essentially, becoming a moderator has affected my enjoyment of this site. If you've paid attention, you'll know that I don't post here nearly as often as I used too. In fact, I've noticed that's the case with all of the current moderators, and former moderators as well. That said, I still am here daily. I read your posts, and do my best to clean up the spam, and handle the behind the scenes issues that go on with the site every day. I don't want to step down, but the fact is, I'm aware that some folks are unhappy with the way that I've handled certain situations. I'll admit it, there have been times that my emotions have affected my decisions. That's not a good thing. I've done some long and hard thinking, and decided that I cannot make snap decisions when someone pisses me off. I'm not sure there's a moderator in the history of this site that hasn't done that at one time or another though. Ultimately, I believe that I'm still a good fit for this job, and I know Kyle is satisfied with my performance to this point. That said, I've always believed this site is all about it's user base. No, it's not a democracy. It's a free board paid for by Kyle. But it doesn't exist without you guys coming here and posting. You are the life blood of Chiefsplanet, and you are the ones that have made it the very best message board for not only the Kansas City Chiefs, but in my opinion, the entire internet. When I came here 9 years ago this month, I had zero experience with online communities. Chiefsplanet was the first board I'd ever joined. Since then, I still have never joined another online community. Growing up in Seattle, it was amazing for me to be able to connect with a group of people that were as passionate as I was about the Chiefs. I love this place. No, it's not what it was too me, but I don't see myself ever just walking away from the board. I may not post as much, but I always read it. You guys are ***ing hilarious. I throw a bone in there once in a while myself. Enough rambling. I'm putting my head on the chopping block. I haven't brought this up to the other mods, or Kyle. This is my decision to make, and mine alone. If you're satisfied with my work, then vote yes. Keep me on as a mod. If not, vote no. I'm a big boy. I can take it if you don't like my style. It will be a public vote for obvious reasons. No harm, no foul regardless of your take. We can still be friends, even if you don't like me as a moderator. I won't take it personal. This poll will be open all weekend, and close early Monday morning. It's your call. Your voice. Your will on whether or not I will continue to moderate here at Chiefsplanet. Make your voice heard. Last edited by Mr. Flopnuts; 03-08-2014 at 05:54 AM..*
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03-09-2014, 09:25 PM	#352
Easy 6 pie is never free Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: the drivers seat Casino cash: $77775	I've certainly not been here as long as many people, never been to a Planet function at Joes or anywhere else either... but it sure seems like many of the people who have are no longer wanted, by that I mean that their complaints are no longer heard and if they are they're discounted in a big way. "hey you guys chose to leave, oh well see ya" doesn't seem like a very friendly or loyal proposition to people who've been so good for this site... me, I'm something of an outsider anyway so its not a personal matter, but the fact is that it seems like many solid vets are leaving and no one gives a damn, maybe because "we have the traffic, your loss means little". FTR... Flop has never been anything but cool to me, honest answers to private questions, many pos rep messages etc... that's why I think he should stay on, he might let emotion get the better of him but so do I and I'm 43... I'd like to think I'm above that at 43, but all too often I find that I'm not and get drawn into things. We're all human. Phil... there is all too often a cool arrogance in his dealings with others... "hey take it or leave it, not gonna cuss ya or whatever, just gonna jack you up and/or ignore you in any other number of ways, been here a long time? show up to the functions? don't care we got plenty of traffic without ya" Dudes never done anything to me, but I do notice that beefs with longtime members don't seem to mean much to him.. all of the time, money and memories ought to count for more than they do, with certain people, than they do with Phil... IMO. Maybe I'm white knighting a bit, but it sure seems like personal feelings and pride play a larger role than they should sometimes... "I'm not gonna beg" sounds like another way of saying "I don't care" sometimes.
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03-09-2014, 09:51 PM	#360
AustinChief Administrator Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Austin Casino cash: $-484998	oh and just to be clear... the only people who have access to read everyone's PMS are the people with root level access to the db... which is basically ME. It would be a complete pain in the ass to do it... and I'm far too lazy to do so. So when people accuse mods of reading PMs... they don't know what they are talking about. Don't believe me? Ask DaFace, he knows.
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