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Mr_Tomahawk · 02-18-2014, 08:19 AM

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23. Kansas City Chiefs - DL Ra’Shede Hageman, Minn

With Hageman, I see a player that can line up at any one of the spots in an odd man front. He has played a lot of one technique this season, and has contributed at three and five technique as well. His athleticism will be on display at the Combine. That great workout could mean his future is projected as an end in a three man line, but I prefer him close to the center. Finding consistency is the key.

Direckshun · 02-18-2014, 12:08 PM

http://walterfootball.com/scoutingre...14rhageman.php

Ra'Shede Hageman Scouting Report
By Charlie Campbell

Strengths:
Physical force at the point of attack
Tough run-defender who can hold the edge
Excellent run-defender
Very strong
Eats up double-teams
Has pass-rush ability
Has some pass-rushing moves
Enough speed to win
Good burst off the snap
Closes quickly
Steady motor
Ability to shed blocks
Pad level
Plays with good leverage
Experienced
Uses bull rush to blow up runs in the backfield
Scheme versatile
Good fit as a 4-3 tackle
Good fit as a 3-4 nose tackle or defensive end
Athletic
Very serious
Mature
Intelligent
Upside

Weaknesses:
Inconsistent
Could stand to improve conditioning

Summary: After a few years as a Big Ten doormat, the Minnesota program has been on the rise the past two seasons. Hageman was a big reason why as the Golden Gophers' best player. He was the tone-setter for their defense as he caused a lot of disruption at the point of attack. Hageman physically overwhelmed Big Ten offensive linemen with his size, strength and quickness. More than any player, he led the way for Minnesota football to be relevant in the Big Ten and make it back to a bowl game.

Hageman broke out with an impressive 2012 season. The junior totaled 35 tackles, 7.5 tackles for a loss, two passes broken up, one forced fumble and six sacks. Hageman saw his share of double-teams in 2013, but he still recorded 38 tackles, 13 tackles for a loss, seven passes broken up, one interception and two sacks.

At the Senior Bowl, Hageman had a solid week of practice. He continued to show that he has the power and quickness to beat offensive linemen. Hageman had a lot of success in the one-on-ones and did his part to solidify a first-round grade. In Mobile, WalterFootball.com spoke with Hageman about why he went back for his senior year; graduating was his priority.

"I knew I was coming back. I wanted to finish school," said Hageman. "That was the most important thing, with football. At the end of the day, football is not a long-term job, so I had to plan for the long term and graduate."

Not only is Hageman an intelligent and serious player, the team that drafts him is going to get a beast at the point of attack. He is extremely strong and is able to hold his ground while getting double-teamed. Hageman can occasionally beat double-teams by using his strength to shed blocks and then his quickness to cut between linemen. He has a devastating bull rush and the speed to close when he gets free. Hageman is able to shed blocks and make plays in and out of his gap. He is a superb run-defender who can contribute pass rush.

Hageman is obviously well rounded, but he could stand to get more consistent. Hageman can take over games at times, but also has some quiet stretches. For the NFL, it would probably help him to improve his conditioning.

Hageman has great versatility for the NFL after playing a wide variety of techniques at Minnesota. He could play 4-3 defensive tackle and even some left defensive end in heavy sets. Hageman would be a great fit in a 3-4 defense because he has the ability to play defensive end or nose tackle. Hageman is a good fit as a five-technique (defensive end) or zero-technique (nose tackle).

With his good tape, production, skill set and versatility, Hageman looks like a first-round pick in the 2014 NFL Draft.

Player Comparison: Justin Smith. Hageman is bigger than Smith (6-4, 285), but both of them are physical forces at the point of attack. They can toss linemen to the side and cause a lot of havoc in the backfield. Both players also have a burst off the ball and the speed to close. Smith is one of the best five-techniques in the NFL, and Hageman could also become an excellent 3-4 defensive end.

NFL Matches: Chicago, Dallas, Miami, Green Bay, San Francisco, Kansas City, New England, Seattle

In the first round, there are a lot of potential landing spots for Hageman. Some of the teams picking in the top 16 that could consider Hageman by trading down or back into the first round include Atlanta, Jacksonville, Oakland and the New York Giants.

The Bears could be a potential landing spot for Hageman as they need a lot of help at defensive tackle. They may not re-sign Henry Melton, which would leave a big hole in their defense.

The Cowboys have to get some help at defensive tackle, although Rod Marinelli typically prefers tackles who are shorter and speedy gap-shooters.

Miami also has free agents at defensive tackle and could target Hageman as a replacement. Green Bay may not re-sign B.J. Raji, and Hageman would be a great fit as an end or nose tackle in the Packers' defense.

San Francisco and Kansas City could both consider Hageman to be a long-term starter as a five-technique defensive end. The Patriots could use some size for the interior of their defensive line, and Hageman would be a good understudy to Vince Wilfork.

The Seahawks could take Hageman if he falls to them at the end of Round 1.

Saccopoo · 02-18-2014, 12:39 PM

Like I said, it really depends on what Tyson Jackson is willing to take in terms of a new contract.

I don't think that Hageman offers any more than what you are getting out of Jackson and Jackson has already gone through the defensive line learning curve.

If you think that you are going to be getting a pass rushing terror at the five tech position with Hageman, you are mistaken.

I think he's going to be very similar to St. Louis' Michael Brockers or what you currently see in Tyson Jackson. He's not going to be the next Bruce Smith.

Direckshun · 02-18-2014, 12:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

Like I said, it really depends on what Tyson Jackson is willing to take in terms of a new contract.

I don't think that Hageman offers any more than what you are getting out of Jackson and Jackson has already gone through the defensive line learning curve.

If you think that you are going to be getting a pass rushing terror at the five tech position with Hageman, you are mistaken.

He put consistent pressure in 2012 before teams started throwing the house at him in 2013.

Even in 2013, he was disruptive.

O.city · 02-18-2014, 06:29 PM

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Mr_Tomahawk · 02-22-2014, 01:32 PM

Terez A. Paylor ‏@TerezPaylor 36s
Minnesota DT Ra’Shede Hageman said he has an interview scheduled with the #Chiefs.

Sorter · 02-22-2014, 01:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr_Tomahawk

Terez A. Paylor ‏@TerezPaylor 36s
Minnesota DT Ra’Shede Hageman said he has an interview scheduled with the #Chiefs.

O.city · 02-22-2014, 01:42 PM

With the depth if talent in this draft, I think at the top you can afford to take some chances. He'd be a big swing (and potential miss)

Direckshun · 02-24-2014, 12:09 PM

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OldSchool · 02-24-2014, 12:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city

With the depth if talent in this draft, I think at the top you can afford to take some chances. He'd be a big swing (and potential miss)

I think the opposite of that. You should be able to hit on every pick. Not miss. Only time you take a chance is if you have a lot of extra picks or if you don't have any immediate needs and are set for the next several years. Otherwise, in a draft that's as good as this, it would be beyond stupid to take a big chance at 1 when you don't have a 2nd.

planetdoc · 02-24-2014, 12:47 PM

I think Hagemon is the closest the chiefs can get to a JJ watt type player in this draft.

OldSchool · 02-24-2014, 12:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by planetdoc

I think Hagemon is the closest the chiefs can get to a JJ watt type player in this draft.

Except Watt ran a 4.81 and also plays with 100% effort all of the time. Hageman runs hot and cold. Sure, he shows flashes of dominance, but looks like crap at other times. Sorry but I don't want to take a chance with our only pick in the top 75 picks.

planetdoc · 02-24-2014, 01:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OldSchool

Except Watt ran a 4.81 and also plays with 100% effort all of the time.

JJ watt ran it @290 lbs. Hagemon ran 5.02 at 310lbs.

(4.81s)/(290lbs) = 0.01658 s/lbs

(0.01658 s/lbs) * 310lbs = 5.14 s (JJ watt's estimated 40 time at 310 lbs)

Quote:

Originally Posted by OldSchool

Hageman runs hot and cold. Sure, he shows flashes of dominance, but looks like crap at other times. Sorry but I don't want to take a chance with our only pick in the top 75 picks.

people said the same about Poe

OldSchool · 02-24-2014, 01:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by planetdoc

JJ watt ran it @290 lbs. Hagemon ran 5.02 at 310lbs.

(4.81s)/(290lbs) = 0.01658 s/lbs

(0.01658 s/lbs) * 310lbs = 5.14 s (JJ watt's estimated 40 time at 310 lbs)

people said the same about Poe

For every 1 Poe, there are about 20 guys who flop. If you want to take that chance with a lot more sure bets available, be my guess, lol.

Btw, Poe ran faster than Hageman and is a lot more powerful and a lot heavier as well. Funny you just tried to compare them when you tried to discount what Watt did by saying Hageman is heavier.

4.98 at nearly 340 pounds is truly incredible. Hageman is nowhere close to that.

planetdoc · 02-24-2014, 01:49 PM

your moving the goal posts.

i said that Hagemon was the closest the chiefs can find a JJ watt type player in this draft. The comparison is between Hagemon and Watt.

Poe ran very fast at his weight, and lifted alot during the bench press. No other player (including Hagemon or Watt) can compare. That is why the chiefs were willing to gamble and draft him in the top 15 from a small school (memphis).

Drafting Hagemon @ 23 is not much of a gamble. How would I define the amount of gamble? It would be a risk/reward ratio. The risk @23 is far less than @15. The "reward" or "upside" is high.

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02-18-2014, 12:08 PM	#2
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $2133447	http://walterfootball.com/scoutingre...14rhageman.php Ra'Shede Hageman Scouting Report By Charlie Campbell Strengths: Physical force at the point of attack Tough run-defender who can hold the edge Excellent run-defender Very strong Eats up double-teams Has pass-rush ability Has some pass-rushing moves Enough speed to win Good burst off the snap Closes quickly Steady motor Ability to shed blocks Pad level Plays with good leverage Experienced Uses bull rush to blow up runs in the backfield Scheme versatile Good fit as a 4-3 tackle Good fit as a 3-4 nose tackle or defensive end Athletic Very serious Mature Intelligent Upside Weaknesses: Inconsistent Could stand to improve conditioning Summary: After a few years as a Big Ten doormat, the Minnesota program has been on the rise the past two seasons. Hageman was a big reason why as the Golden Gophers' best player. He was the tone-setter for their defense as he caused a lot of disruption at the point of attack. Hageman physically overwhelmed Big Ten offensive linemen with his size, strength and quickness. More than any player, he led the way for Minnesota football to be relevant in the Big Ten and make it back to a bowl game. Hageman broke out with an impressive 2012 season. The junior totaled 35 tackles, 7.5 tackles for a loss, two passes broken up, one forced fumble and six sacks. Hageman saw his share of double-teams in 2013, but he still recorded 38 tackles, 13 tackles for a loss, seven passes broken up, one interception and two sacks. At the Senior Bowl, Hageman had a solid week of practice. He continued to show that he has the power and quickness to beat offensive linemen. Hageman had a lot of success in the one-on-ones and did his part to solidify a first-round grade. In Mobile, WalterFootball.com spoke with Hageman about why he went back for his senior year; graduating was his priority. "I knew I was coming back. I wanted to finish school," said Hageman. "That was the most important thing, with football. At the end of the day, football is not a long-term job, so I had to plan for the long term and graduate." Not only is Hageman an intelligent and serious player, the team that drafts him is going to get a beast at the point of attack. He is extremely strong and is able to hold his ground while getting double-teamed. Hageman can occasionally beat double-teams by using his strength to shed blocks and then his quickness to cut between linemen. He has a devastating bull rush and the speed to close when he gets free. Hageman is able to shed blocks and make plays in and out of his gap. He is a superb run-defender who can contribute pass rush. Hageman is obviously well rounded, but he could stand to get more consistent. Hageman can take over games at times, but also has some quiet stretches. For the NFL, it would probably help him to improve his conditioning. Hageman has great versatility for the NFL after playing a wide variety of techniques at Minnesota. He could play 4-3 defensive tackle and even some left defensive end in heavy sets. Hageman would be a great fit in a 3-4 defense because he has the ability to play defensive end or nose tackle. Hageman is a good fit as a five-technique (defensive end) or zero-technique (nose tackle). With his good tape, production, skill set and versatility, Hageman looks like a first-round pick in the 2014 NFL Draft. Player Comparison: Justin Smith. Hageman is bigger than Smith (6-4, 285), but both of them are physical forces at the point of attack. They can toss linemen to the side and cause a lot of havoc in the backfield. Both players also have a burst off the ball and the speed to close. Smith is one of the best five-techniques in the NFL, and Hageman could also become an excellent 3-4 defensive end. NFL Matches: Chicago, Dallas, Miami, Green Bay, San Francisco, Kansas City, New England, Seattle In the first round, there are a lot of potential landing spots for Hageman. Some of the teams picking in the top 16 that could consider Hageman by trading down or back into the first round include Atlanta, Jacksonville, Oakland and the New York Giants. The Bears could be a potential landing spot for Hageman as they need a lot of help at defensive tackle. They may not re-sign Henry Melton, which would leave a big hole in their defense. The Cowboys have to get some help at defensive tackle, although Rod Marinelli typically prefers tackles who are shorter and speedy gap-shooters. Miami also has free agents at defensive tackle and could target Hageman as a replacement. Green Bay may not re-sign B.J. Raji, and Hageman would be a great fit as an end or nose tackle in the Packers' defense. San Francisco and Kansas City could both consider Hageman to be a long-term starter as a five-technique defensive end. The Patriots could use some size for the interior of their defensive line, and Hageman would be a good understudy to Vince Wilfork. The Seahawks could take Hageman if he falls to them at the end of Round 1.
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Saccopoo Kindness in words... Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Zion Casino cash: $10025483	Like I said, it really depends on what Tyson Jackson is willing to take in terms of a new contract. I don't think that Hageman offers any more than what you are getting out of Jackson and Jackson has already gone through the defensive line learning curve. If you think that you are going to be getting a pass rushing terror at the five tech position with Hageman, you are mistaken. I think he's going to be very similar to St. Louis' Michael Brockers or what you currently see in Tyson Jackson. He's not going to be the next Bruce Smith.
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Mr_Tomahawk Prestige Worldwide Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Spring Hill, KS Casino cash: $30526	Terez A. Paylor ‏@TerezPaylor 36s Minnesota DT Ra’Shede Hageman said he has an interview scheduled with the #Chiefs. __________________ Adopt-A-Chief: John Dorsey
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02-24-2014, 01:49 PM	#15
planetdoc Veteran Join Date: Apr 2012 Casino cash: $9995865	your moving the goal posts. i said that Hagemon was the closest the chiefs can find a JJ watt type player in this draft. The comparison is between Hagemon and Watt. Poe ran very fast at his weight, and lifted alot during the bench press. No other player (including Hagemon or Watt) can compare. That is why the chiefs were willing to gamble and draft him in the top 15 from a small school (memphis). Drafting Hagemon @ 23 is not much of a gamble. How would I define the amount of gamble? It would be a risk/reward ratio. The risk @23 is far less than @15. The "reward" or "upside" is high.
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