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Old 11-12-2013, 03:09 PM  
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Old 02-07-2014, 12:08 PM   #2671
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Mizzou football doesn't "dominate" jack shit compared to Kansas. Their all time win % is marginally better (it was 7th among the Big 12 schools while Kansas was 8th, big whoop). They split head to head. They didn't ever win the conference either. The only thing they dominated in was Shreveport Bowl appearances. Congrats.


When Gary Pinkel is being discussed as worthy of a freakin statue outside your stadium, folks will never take your program all that serious.
Keep ignoring the facts. It's cute.

The head-to-head is the only situation in which Kansas is on close to even ground. Everywhere else, it is significantly separated.

All time winning percentage, bowl appearances, major bowl appearances, bowl wins, major bowl wins, conference titles, division titles all skew heavily in Missouri's favor.

Mock Pinkel all you want. He's a top 25-30 coach in college football and has had a strong, steady program that has won 43 games over the past 5 years and 93 over the past 10.

His first recruiting class graduated in 2005. In the 8 seasons since, he has won 73 games.

Dude clearly sucks, right?
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Old 02-07-2014, 12:12 PM   #2672
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So if you're adding all those in how many national championships does KU have in basketball?
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Old 02-07-2014, 12:14 PM   #2673
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Keep ignoring the facts. It's cute.

The head-to-head is the only situation in which Kansas is on close to even ground. Everywhere else, it is significantly separated.

All time winning percentage, bowl appearances, major bowl appearances, bowl wins, major bowl wins, conference titles, division titles all skew heavily in Missouri's favor.

Mock Pinkel all you want. He's a top 25-30 coach in college football and has had a strong, steady program that has won 43 games over the past 5 years and 93 over the past 10.

His first recruiting class graduated in 2005. In the 8 seasons since, he has won 73 games.

Dude clearly sucks, right?


The word "dominate" means significant gap, which of course does not remotely exist in the two program histories. Using that word in your description is false and just pathetic. In the 80s you had about 10k fans at some games. I know, I was there. You had losing seasons almost the entire 1980s and 1990s. So by that measure yes, Gary Pinkel has been a miracle worker there. (By that measure only).
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Old 02-07-2014, 12:15 PM   #2674
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Lmao I'm just doing some friendly trash talking, mu football is a marginally better program then KU.
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The word "dominate" means significant gap, which of course does not remotely exist in the two program histories. Using that word in your description is false and just pathetic. In the 80s you had about 10k fans at some games. I know, I was there. You had losing seasons almost the entire 1980s and 1990s. So by that measure yes, Gary Pinkel has been a miracle worker there. (By that measure only).
Mizzou winning more bowl games than KU has appeared in the last 100 years is a significant gap.
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Old 02-07-2014, 12:30 PM   #2677
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The word "dominate" means significant gap, which of course does not remotely exist in the two program histories. Using that word in your description is false and just pathetic. In the 80s you had about 10k fans at some games. I know, I was there. You had losing seasons almost the entire 1980s and 1990s. So by that measure yes, Gary Pinkel has been a miracle worker there. (By that measure only).
Winning percentage: .549 vs. .496
Bowl apperances: Missouri has appeared in 2.5 times as many bowl games as Kansas
Bowl wins: Missouri has won 2 times as many bowls as Kansas
Major bowl appearances: Missouri has made 2.3 times as many major bowl appearances as Kansas (not even counting Cotton, which takes this to 3.3 times as many and will be counted by future generations as a major bowl as "major bowl" thinking expands to top 6-8 rather than top 4)
Major bowl wins: Missouri has won 2 times as many major bowls as Kansas (4 times as if you include Cotton)
Conference titles: Missouri has nearly 2 times as many (15 vs. 8)
Division titles: Missouri has 4 times as many (giving each credit for a tie)
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Old 02-07-2014, 12:34 PM   #2678
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Winning percentage: .549 vs. .496
Bowl apperances: Missouri has appeared in 2.5 times as many bowl games as Kansas
Bowl wins: Missouri has won 2 times as many bowls as Kansas
Major bowl appearances: Missouri has made 2.3 times as many major bowl appearances as Kansas (not even counting Cotton, which takes this to 3.3 times as many and will be counted by future generations as a major bowl as "major bowl" thinking expands to top 6-8 rather than top 4)
Major bowl wins: Missouri has won 2 times as many major bowls as Kansas (4 times as if you include Cotton)
Conference titles: Missouri has nearly 2 times as many (15 vs. 8)
Division titles: Missouri has 4 times as many (giving each credit for a tie)
Missouri was 7th in all time win % and Kansas was 8th among Big 12 schools. They tied all time head to head. They both have 2 top-10 finishes since man walked on the moon. Congrats on the extra Shreveport Bowls. I will give Pinkel due credit for making Mizzou a good team nationally since he's been there.
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(TCU Athletic Director) Del Conte admitted, “the pressure of the entire institution was on my shoulders” to join the Big 12. He worked the phones, calling every Big 12 contact he knew. Support within the Big 12 was growing, including at Oklahoma where good friend Joe Castiglione had been encouraging. But Del Conte knew if he didn't have Texas, he didn't have a chance.

“I've got one shot,” he recounted, “to go see DeLoss.”

It was a quite a visit. Del Conte grabbed a car, a driver and a bunch of reference material, binders, extolling the advantages of TCU and Fort Worth.

“I get up at 8 o'clock in the morning and drive to Darrell K. Royal Stadium. I get to [Dodds'] office. Nine comes around, 10 comes around. I've got a GA [graduate assistant] outside waiting for me, by the way. I tell him, ‘Just wait 10 minutes I'll be back.' Pretty soon it's 3:30.

“[DeLoss] comes out and says, ‘Who are you?' Chris Del Conte, Texas Christian U. He doesn't hear ‘Chris.' he hears ‘Del'. ‘Del, let's go get ourselves a drink and discuss it.'

“We went to a restaurant and had a little libation at 3:30. By the time 8:30 rolls around, we were [into it] pretty good but we got ourselves in a situation. I kept trying to give him my [binders]. He said, ‘I've heard enough, Del' and just walked away.”

The Big 12 ADs had a conference call the next day.

“The next morning I got up. Joe [Castiglione] goes, ‘I don't know what you did but it worked.' We got the vote. The Frogs are in,' Del Conte said.....

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Old 02-07-2014, 12:41 PM   #2680
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Missouri was 7th in all time win % and Kansas was 8th among Big 12 schools. They tied all time. They both have 2 top-10 finishes since man walked on the moon. Congrats on the extra Shreveport Bowls. I will give Pinkel due credit for making Mizzou a good team nationally since he's been there.
Keep clinging to that Big 12 sample size. I'll keep talking about the historical reach of the programs.

Missouri is at top 40 major program all-time. KU is top 60-75.

Missouri is a top 15-20 program over the past 10 years. Kansas is maybe a top 75 program in that history.

The all-time head-to-head is close. Football programs are measured by bowl appearances, major bowl appearances, bowl wins, major bowl wins, conference titles, division titles, and, of course, national titles.

I'd don't know why you take issue with calling being 2x to 4x as good in those metrics "domination." But it seems like a pretty apt word for it.
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I'd don't know why you take issue with calling being 2x to 4x as good in those metrics "domination." But it seems like a pretty apt word for it.
Because he doesn't have a rational comeback for it, and it lessens his arguments against MU not being better than KU.
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Keep clinging to that Big 12 sample size. I'll keep talking about the historical reach of the programs.

Missouri is at top 40 major program all-time. KU is top 60-75.

Missouri is a top 15-20 program over the past 10 years. Kansas is maybe a top 75 program in that history.

The all-time head-to-head is close. Football programs are measured by bowl appearances, major bowl appearances, bowl wins, major bowl wins, conference titles, division titles, and, of course, national titles.

I'd don't know why you take issue with calling being 2x to 4x as good in those metrics "domination." But it seems like a pretty apt word for it.

I don't call being 7th vs 8th "2-4x as good". You need remedial math if you think that.
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Lmao I'm just doing some friendly trash talking, mu football is a marginally better program then KU.
Right now MU has better talent in their program but all I saw when I check my Super Bowl program this year were KU names.
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