Who do you not want the Chiefs to draft?
 

We’ve all talked about guys we love and want to draft, but who is on your “I will not be happy if the Chiefs draft them?” list?

Gonna add onto this but so far I have:

Shemar Stewart
Cameron Williams
Tyliek Williams
Kaleb Johnson
Marcus Mbow
Tyler Booker

Josh Simmons.

Zero chance I’ll feel he’s the BPA at 31. He may prove to be, but no way I’ll feel that on draft night.

Interesting info on the patella tendon tear. This injury has a bad track record of recovery but it seems like surgical techniques are improving and Simmons is young. I can understand passing on Simmons for this injury. But he seems to be moving well now and if the team and drs think he can play, I’d be excited if the chiefs picked him.

Nakobe Dean tear
https://youtu.be/qJaSJNqT634

Lucas Niang tear
https://www.arrowheadpride.com/2022/...tential-return

Skattebo. He didn't do anything that matters to me at the combine. I think he's a limited athlete who kind of caught lighting in a bottle. I think all athletes peak at different times. I think he's at his peak with a Peyton Hillis'esque run here in college and will be mediocre in the NFL. This probably isn't popular because I know a lot of guys like him, it think better backs will be taken two rounds after him.

You have Tyleik Williams as a don't want? Man alive that's a surprise and one I just can't support. Dude is an absolute one-man wrecking crew against the run and actually provides a little pass rush. He's a better player than Grant is right now, it's just the upside with Grant as a pass rusher is a little higher. We all know how upside works though.

I don't agree on Mbow either, he's a prototypical conversion from OT to OG in a zone scheme and a very, very good player. He needs some sand in his pants but that will come in time.

I'd say I agree with most of the rest of your list, actually.
Shemar Stewart is the one I'd be absolutely pissed at us drafting. I'm not too keen on James Pearce either but I could live with it I suppose. Not too high on Harold Fannin Jr either.

Not Josh Simmons because of injury.

Not Skattebo because of size and playing style. Generally speaking really prefer they don't take any RB less than 5'10."

No WR or RB that lacks athletic measurable (height, weight, speed).

I can't really bring myself to give a shit about a RB's height. I just don't care.

I’m leery on Josh Simmons, I think I would pass if he’s there at 31.

What I don't understand about the people saying Josh Simmons is that if the Chiefs do in fact take him, they're clearly 100% confident with the medicals. If this is simply about the injury, I don't understand putting him on the list.

Because they can't be 100% confident in his medicals.

Nobody can.

They simply have a larger appetite for risk and/or believe the reward to be high enough to justify it.

I wouldn't, in all likelihood.

But you could show an MRI of a completely successful knee surgery with a totally 'healed' Patella and it still wouldn't answer the questions that actually need to be answered. Happens all the time that guys get hurt and they 'heal' and go through full recovery and are medically cleared and they're just...not the same guy.

And you will not - can not - know until they start to play.

This is one of those odd instances where I don't think you need any sort of information asymmetry in order to reach different conclusions.

Maybe 100% is hyperbole, but they aren't taking him at 31 unless they're extremely confident. They know a lot more than we do and it's extremely odd that so many aren't willing to give them the benefit of the doubt with a very talented player. How had Burkholder and his team not earned the benefit of the doubt?

I understand being concerned, but hating the pick even if they sign off? It just reeks of not knowing what you don't know. Sorry.

The Trey Smith situation is what makes me believe they have to be extremely confident to take Simmons at 31. They waited and waited, and you know they still had to have felt pretty damn good about Trey's situation. They sounded extremely confident after making the pick and it obviously all worked out. That tells me they're cautious and won't be reckless.

I get being concerned, but I'm going to to be cautiously optimistic if they take a top 15 caliber talent at 31 and possibly fill LT once and for all. I don't get the hate at all.

You described Tyleik Williams as a player the Chiefs defense currently needs. Need a space eater who can get a little pass rush

Of course, the injury is going to heal. It's going to be just fine from a medical standpoint. That's NOT the issue with this injury.

Yes, but the injury didn't happen yesterday. The recovery process began a while ago. They get to see this guy up close, and he's already moving around laterally. Our medical staff is as good as it gets, is it not?

Why is it so hard to say the Chiefs and their medical staff will know A LOT more than we do? It's just a matter of fact.

If they truly have no ****ing clue, he won't be the pick at 31.

It’s the injury history that scares me. Sure he’ll heal but this injury has ****ed a lot of players careers.

It ended Victor Cruz’s career, all but ended Jerod Mayo’s. Drake Jackson had this injury damn near 2 years ago and the 49ers aren’t sure if be will be back.

It’s tough. Maybe he can overcome it? Jimmy Graham did and had a few great years after his injury.

It’s tough. I just don’t think he’s gonna be available to us if he’s cleared. Every team is looking at his knee. Feels like if he’s there for us it will mean that every other team didn’t believe in his medicals.

It's a physiological question that lies more in the realm of PT at this point than purely medical. And yes, in terms of that, having a great staff to estimate the regained explosion and ROM and so on will be important. Even with that, until he hits a football field, though, it's all just conjecture.

You championed taking guys coming off Achilles tears a few years back and found out the ROI wasn't good. I'm surprised you're this adamant about a similarly detrimental injury.

I would not take a chance on it in round 1, I just wouldn't. There is too much risk involved. Could he be great again? Absolutely. Is it likely? Not based on historical results. I'd take a shot on that in round 2. Round 1, I want more of a sure thing.

This is what you aren't understanding. I'm just deferring to the staff on injuries, as I always have. I simply grade the player and argue for the player. Since we don't have enough information the majority of the time, I don't even bother with the injury stuff in terms of my personal evaluation.

Also, there are quite a few guys I'd prefer over Simmons.

Nolen
Harmon
Mykel
Scourton
Stewart

I'd put Simmons in that tier with Henderson, Conerly, etc. because of the uncertainty if you're putting a gun to my head.

But the Chiefs have NOT drafted him. Not yet, at least. So, until then, some folks are OUT on Simmons and it's easily understandable given the track record for this particular injury.

Now, if the Chiefs do take him then your stance has some merit. But until then, it shouldn't be hard to understand where some folks are coming from at all.

So then he shouldn't be on your list, because it's not that you don't want the Chiefs to draft him, you're just concerned about the injury lol.

It's really simple.

I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree don't want to ruin Run's thread.

No, I see where we're misunderstanding each other. I was referring strictly to the thread title. But in the OP, it alters the topic:

Title: "Who do you not want the Chiefs to draft?"
OP: "who is on your “I will not be happy if the Chiefs draft them?” list?"

I see where you were coming from now. That's my bad.

I’m worried that Dylan Sampson doesn't convert to the pros

Dylan Sampson
Josh Simmons

Here's my concrete list, love it or hate it...

DE Shemar Stewart, Texas A&M
CB Maxwell Hairston, Kentucky
DE James Pearce, Tennessee
OG Tyler Booker, Alabama
OT Cameron Williams, Texas
TE Harold Fannin, Bowling Green
DE Oluwafemi Oladejo, UCLA
WR Xavier Restrepo, Miami
WR Arian Smith, Georgia

I would prefer Thomas or Porter (past the 1st round) but what's wrong with Hairston?

Don't like his play with his back to the ball, and I absolutely despise his tackling. He's a 3rd round zone corner getting pumped up to the 1st because he ran fast. No thanks. Everyone has their flavor, he's just not mine.

Treveyon Henderson, he has all the makings of being a broke dick RB. Missed games with a foot injury which required surgery.

I think this is the fist name in this thread i dont agree with


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I will say though. All the names I “hate” would be fine if drafted at certain slots.

I think my hate list is really based upon where we’d likely have to take them.

Man, you're going to hate most of the RBs then aren't you.

Ashton Jeanty had to miss a game with a knee strain in 2024, two games in 2023 with a calf strain, and also had an elbow sprian in 2024
Omarion Hampton had a broken ankle in 2021 and thigh bruise in 2024
Quinshon Judkins had to have hand surgery in 2024
Dylan Sampson had a lingering hamstring injury that caused him to miss the playoff game
RJ Harvey had a torn ACL in 2021 and missed the year
DJ Giddens missed most of his Jr year of HS and was injured against Iowa State this year (undisclosed).
Jordan James missed the 2nd half of the Rose Bowl with a concussion
Bhayshul Tuten had a high ankle sprain this October that he played through but affected performance
Trevor Etienne missed 3.5 games with a rib injury and shoulder injury
Ollie Gordon had a couple of in-game leg injuries but never missed real time and was arrested on suspicion of DUI last summer.
Damien Martinez missed some time after being arrested on suspicion of a DUI while at Oregon State
Lequint Allen was suspended for the season for fighting in 2023 but filed a lawsuit to get it lifted
Woody Marks missed one game with a concussion
Jaydon Blue dislocated his knee twice in junior high, tore his groin at the Combine, and had ankle and arm injuries this year
Jarquez Hunter had a knee injury that required surgery in spring of 2022.

So, which ones are you not dismissing?

Being very obtuse

No, I'm being realistic. You said you think Henderson is going to be a broke dick, though he's had one injury. So did most of the RBs in this class. So, your point of contention against the guy doesn't have a great basis. Especially given that he has the most complete overall skill set in this draft. I'm wondering why you don't also list any other RBs if your objection is the perceived ability to hold up in the NFL. I stated the known issues with a good segment of the RBs in this draft. I think I'm asking a very valid question. Perhaps you're the one being obtuse?

Sorry Tribal, I'll retract from coming off as a dick. I just don't think you can assign risk to a specific player due to one injury two years ago without assigning the same risk to similar players with similar or worse histories, and there are more than a couple of those guys. Some, I've seen championed here, not necessarily by you but en masse. I have more worry about a speed back that has lingering hamstring issues than a guy breaking a toe, for example.

Everytime Henderson took a hard hit the announcers gasped. Keep bringing up said injury when it was time for Judkins.

It's a legit worry, and if he plays for the Chiefs he'll get every possible cheap shot or extra tweak for injury (see Pacheco).

As an OSU fan, I never had a legitimate worry about Henderson at any point getting broken. Announcers can be very stupid, and it doesn't make it real. He wasn't continually knicked up and he didn't take a ton of really punishing hits. Do I see Henderson as a 300 carry RB? Hell no, he's not built to pound between the tackles down after down. He's more of a 200 carry RB that you feed another 50-70 touches in the passing game. He's a Jamaal Charles type of player.

I feel like that's the role we need as well. Don't think he'll be available to us anyhow, so it makes it really moot. I just hope he doesn't end up in our division.

He's not Jamaal, Charles had elite track speed when he got into the 2nd level he was gone for a TD. Henderson's good, but he isn't generational like that. The guy I wanted who is like that was Achane, and the closest to that in this draft is Tuten. If you want a change of pace guy in the 4th round and after.

Crow, can you expand on why you’re out on these guys?

I am not sure if this is a 1st round or two or the entire draft. Value makes a huge difference.

I think he already expanded a lot on most of these in his underrated/overrated thread.

Simmons is a high risk high reward player. They are equal IMO. He will either be a marginal player or a long term starter at LT that everyone will wish they would’ve taken. I would take the chance on him if it were me.