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JohnnyV13 02-13-2025 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by MahomesMagic (Post 17967672)
I really hope they use the resources necessary to get Mahomes going again. 3 years with Mahomes in his prime not being in the MVP conversation is mismanagement of the offense.

I totally agree. At the same time, in 2013 we were smart enough to realize the solution to the QB hole wasn't available even though we had the no. 1 overall pick. Looking back, Alex Smith was probably the best available option.

We would have been worse off if we tried to force a solution because we needed a QB. This is where good personnel evaluation plus discipline pays off.

wannaGOback 02-13-2025 01:47 PM

The chiefs attempted to be the most explosive they have been all year in the Super Bowl with their route concepts. It backfired because they didn’t account for the eagles speed. The more annoying thing is they didn’t abandon this plan at all. Only mixing in a few different looks after the game was 24-0, but still going back to the original plan even then.

That’s just incompetency on the OC part. Nagy has to go. There has to be a better plan and a more decisive pivot situationally.

seamonster 02-13-2025 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by wannaGOback (Post 17967767)
The chiefs attempted to be the most explosive they have been all year in the Super Bowl with their route concepts. It backfired because they didn’t account for the eagles speed. The more annoying thing is they didn’t abandon this plan at all. Only mixing in a few different looks after the game was 24-0, but still going back to the original plan even then.

That’s just incompetency on the OC part. Nagy has to go. There has to be a better plan and a more decisive pivot situationally.

I didn't see anything wrong with the offense. If you're beating a Fangio underneath zone defense concept, which is what it looks like you're advocating for, than you have to have the timing down to get the ball thrown into windows. Hard to do that when there's no left tackle and a traffic cone at left guard. And I wasn't that impressed with the eagles speed. They were letting sub 4.3 receivers get open deep down the field without safety help. They were gambling. Mahomes just wasn't willing to pull the trigger. And I blame part of that on the lack of protection and the lack of timing the offense had. No game plan can cover for a void at left tackle and terrible guard play. You can't run the ball effectively and you can't throw on time.

Red Dawg 02-13-2025 01:53 PM

The OL stinks. Nothing else will matter until those changes are made.

Garcia Bronco 02-13-2025 01:53 PM

You can't just change to explosive versus the Fangio Cover 6. You have to run the ball.

SI...when I want to hear and read bad takes, it's the first place I think to go. Just awful.

wannaGOback 02-13-2025 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by seamonster (Post 17967772)
I didn't see anything wrong with the offense. If you're beating a Fangio underneath zone defense concept, which is what it looks like you're advocating for, than you have to have the timing down to get the ball thrown into windows. Hard to do that when there's no left tackle and a bad left guard. And I wasn't that impressed with the eagles speed. They were letting sub 4.3 receivers get open deep down the field without safety help. They were gambling. Mahomes just wasn't willing to pull the trigger. And I blame part of that on the lack of protection and the lack of timing the offense had. No game plan can cover for a void at left tackle and terrible guard play. You can't run the ball effectively and you can't throw on time.

The speed of their edge rushers. And if you didn’t see a problem with an offense that put up 40 yards, 3 first downs, and 0 points in the first 43 minutes of play, I don’t know what to tell you.

That isn’t just a personnel issue. That’s slamming your head into a brick wall repeatedly and expecting the wall to break before you skull does.

seamonster 02-13-2025 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco (Post 17967775)
You can't just change to explosive versus the Fangio Cover 6. You have to run the ball.

SI...when I want to hear and read bad takes, it's the first place I think to go. Just awful.

Disagree... The Eagles safeties were cheating on their underneath zone while their corner backs were going straight zone-match\man on the receivers running the vertical route. They absolutely could have been thrown on and that's what eventually happened.

pugsnotdrugs19 02-13-2025 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco (Post 17967775)
You can't just change to explosive versus the Fangio Cover 6. You have to run the ball.

SI...when I want to hear and read bad takes, it's the first place I think to go. Just awful.

The article isn't specific to the one game.

It was the worst offensive year of the Mahomes era and that could be attributed in large part to LT play and an ADOT that ranked 41st.

seamonster 02-13-2025 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by wannaGOback (Post 17967776)
The speed of their edge rushers. And if you didn’t see a problem with an offense that put up 40 yards, 3 first downs, and 0 points in the first 43 minutes of play, I don’t know what to tell you.

That isn’t just a personnel issue. That’s slamming your head into a brick wall repeatedly and expecting the wall to break before you skull does.

Players were getting to their spots and there were chances. Hopkins was wide open down the middle of the field for something like a sixteen yard gain when Mahomes made the ill-advised pick six throw. Because he's having to rollout to his right he couldn't get the ball out on time and wound up misjudging the nickle corner. That kind of shit was happening all night. Eagles defensive line was too good to be playing around with these woeful band aids.

PunkinDrublic 02-13-2025 02:12 PM

I thought Adam Teicher retired.

DJ's left nut 02-13-2025 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 17967753)
Middlekauf was a scout for Andy in Philly. Still talks to Veach like Louis Riddick does.

He thinks they’re gonna be busy

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">.<a href="https://twitter.com/JohnMiddlekauff?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@johnmiddlekauff</a> wouldn&#39;t be surprised if the Chiefs take HUGE swings this offseason in this week&#39;s <a href="https://twitter.com/Microsoft?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@microsoft</a> Chasing Challenges <a href="https://t.co/59x7Jo7PP2">pic.twitter.com/59x7Jo7PP2</a></p>&mdash; The Volume (@TheVolumeSports) <a href="https://twitter.com/TheVolumeSports/status/1889748395578798171?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 12, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Honestly, though -- just how big a swing is there to take?

What "wow, they did WHAT?!" sort of move would be out there. I guess a big trade for Garrett but that doesn't seem their style. Would even a trade for Tyreek Hill really shock anyone?

There's nobody that they can realistically cut that would surprise you. If they don't pay Bolton or Smith, that wouldn't shock anyone either.

I mean...I just don't see what they can do that would really set my hair on fire. Thuney, Smith and Creed are all guys with contracts that all but assure they're Chiefs next season, Jones and Mahomes are Jones and Mahomes. They're giving Kelce time to 'decide what he wants to do' which means they'd bring him back if they he wanted to come back.

I just don't see a slate of available shocking possibilities.

O.city 02-13-2025 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17967792)
Honestly, though -- just how big a swing is there to take?

What "wow, they did WHAT?!" sort of move would be out there. I guess a big trade for Garrett but that doesn't seem their style. Would even a trade for Tyreek Hill really shock anyone?

There's nobody that they can realistically cut that would surprise you. If they don't pay Bolton or Smith, that wouldn't shock anyone either.

I mean...I just don't see what they can do that would really set my hair on fire. Thuney, Smith and Creed are all guys with contracts that all but assure they're Chiefs next season, Jones and Mahomes are Jones and Mahomes. They're giving Kelce time to 'decide what he wants to do' which means they'd bring him back if they he wanted to come back.

I just don't see a slate of available shocking possibilities.

Karlaftis and our first to Dallas for Micah.

DJ's left nut 02-13-2025 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 17967799)
Karlaftis and our first to Dallas for Micah.

Okay...that would turn my head, yes.

htismaqe 02-13-2025 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by wannaGOback (Post 17967767)
The chiefs attempted to be the most explosive they have been all year in the Super Bowl with their route concepts. It backfired because they didn’t account for the eagles speed. The more annoying thing is they didn’t abandon this plan at all. Only mixing in a few different looks after the game was 24-0, but still going back to the original plan even then.

That’s just incompetency on the OC part. Nagy has to go. There has to be a better plan and a more decisive pivot situationally.

Just ****ing stop. Everybody knows how you feel about Nagy. There's no need to spam every thread with it.

FloridaMan88 02-13-2025 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco (Post 17967775)
You can't just change to explosive versus the Fangio Cover 6. You have to run the ball.

SI...when I want to hear and read bad takes, it's the first place I think to go. Just awful.

The concept of running the ball is correct, but running for 1-2 yards with punchless RB’s would ultimately have done nothing.

Need explosive RB’s.


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