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Easy 6 02-14-2025 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by TheGreatCassholio (Post 17969157)
Mostert just got released. He washed yet or not?

Pass

FloridaMan88 02-14-2025 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by YontsRBake (Post 17969155)
Not going to write off our 25 year old RB who was averaging a career 4.7 YPC going into the season over 1 injury filled season

Longest run of the season was 34 yards… for the entire team.

LongSufferingToady 02-14-2025 03:46 PM

Well, Andy turned Pat into Alex Smith. I am so pissed.

htismaqe 02-14-2025 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by FloridaMan88 (Post 17969185)
Longest run of the season was 34 yards… for the entire team.

They had 17 rushes of 10 or more yards, less than one per game. Complete ass.

Hammock Parties 02-14-2025 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 17969194)
They had 17 rushes of 10 or more yards, less than one per game. Complete ass.

It's way easier to find a RB than a LT.

RB should be HIGH on the list of priorities.

MahomesMagic 02-14-2025 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by LongSufferingToady (Post 17969191)
Well, Andy turned Pat into Alex Smith. I am so pissed.

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htismaqe 02-14-2025 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 17969196)
It's way easier to find a RB than a LT.

RB should be HIGH on the list of priorities.

Yep.

DRM08 02-14-2025 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by LongSufferingToady (Post 17969191)
Well, Andy turned Pat into Alex Smith. I am so pissed.

You’ve won 2 Super Bowls and a conference title the last few years with this strategy. Alex Smith & Andy Reid didn’t go anywhere in the Playoffs together even with Eric Fisher, Mitch Schwartz, Tyreek Hill, and a much younger Travis Kelce.

DJ's left nut 02-14-2025 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by DRM08 (Post 17969222)
You’ve won 2 Super Bowls and a conference title the last few years with this strategy. Alex Smith & Andy Reid didn’t go anywhere in the Playoffs together even with Eric Fisher, Mitch Schwartz, Tyreek Hill, and a much younger Travis Kelce.

It just looks to me like Reid adjusts his offense to fit his targets.

Look at Vick, for example, in Philly. In his time as a starter his ADOT was about 9.4.

With Mahomes in 18, 19 and 20 he went 9.7/8.5/8.5

When Alex Smith had Hill as a starter in 2017 his ADOT was 7.8 - up almost a full yard from the season before when Hill was a rookie and part-time receiver.

Reid does what you'd want a coach to do -- tailors the offense to the personnel. He'll continue to do so. This idea that he's neutering Mahomes for shits and giggles is just bizarre. Why would he do that? What possible purpose would it serve?

When we have the weapons to push the ball, we do so. When we don't, we don't. In 2022, probably PMs best year of his career, his ADOT was 7.5 -- he was pristine that season despite dealing with mediocre weapons. Andy made it work with what he had.

So keep stacking weapons. It's not THAT complicated. You want a wide-open and aggressive offense, you have to have the pieces to do it. If you don't have those pieces...well you make due with what you have.

And over the last 3 years, despite not having those weapons, we've won 2 championships and appeared in all 3 SBs. I'd say it worked out okay.

Bearcat 02-14-2025 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17969228)
It just looks to me like Reid adjusts his offense to fit his targets.

Look at Vick, for example, in Philly. In his time as a starter his ADOT was about 9.4.

With Mahomes in 18, 19 and 20 he went 9.7/8.5/8.5

When Alex Smith had Hill as a starter in 2017 his ADOT was 7.8 - up almost a full yard from the season before when Hill was a rookie and part-time receiver.

Reid does what you'd want a coach to do -- tailors the offense to the personnel. He'll continue to do so. This idea that he's neutering Mahomes for shits and giggles is just bizarre. Why would he do that? What possible purpose would it serve?

When we have the weapons to push the ball, we do so. When we don't, we don't. In 2022, probably PMs best year of his career, his ADOT was 7.5 -- he was pristine that season despite dealing with mediocre weapons. Andy made it work with what he had.

So keep stacking weapons. It's not THAT complicated. You want a wide-open and aggressive offense, you have to have the pieces to do it. If you don't have those pieces...well you make due with what you have.

And over the last 3 years, despite not having those weapons, we've won 2 championships and appeared in all 3 SBs. I'd say it worked out okay.

And on top of that, they had a very good defense 2 years ago, an elite defense last year, and a very good defense this year... of course you lean into that when you don't have Tyreek and that kind of offense.

And they've still been highly efficient in the playoffs, outside of last weekend... this scrubs narrative that was listerally created Sunday night is reeruned as shit.

KC Shox 02-14-2025 04:28 PM

Games are won in the trenches. Our offensive line woes is a dead horse I’m tired of beating. The defensive line needs revamped too. We don’t put any pressure on the QB using just our front 4. We have to blitz and blitz a lot just to pressure the QB. Chris Jones always gets doubled yet the remaining three rushers still can’t put pressure on the QB. FAU is a bust. Karlaftis is a JAG and the rest of the D-Line can be cut for all I care.

pugsnotdrugs19 02-14-2025 04:30 PM

If I’m being too simplistic feel free to call me out on it, I just think it’s as simple as this guys

If the Chiefs crush the draft this year, they’ll be winning the Super Bowl again next February. If they don’t, they won’t.

LT, no LT, whatever they do there I think will be good enough. But if they add another 3-4 really quality pieces in the draft that start, and let’s say two at least that have a major positive impact, they won’t be caught.

MahomesMagic 02-14-2025 04:30 PM

If ADOT is just a function of weapons how is Mahomes 42nd out of 44 QB's graded?

Were the Chiefs weapons bottom of the league again?

DJ's left nut 02-14-2025 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by MahomesMagic (Post 17969240)
If ADOT is just a function of weapons how is Mahomes 42nd out of 44 QB's graded?

Were the Chiefs weapons bottom of the league again?

Would you argue that they weren't?

I mean Rice went down awfully early. Kelce was...lets just say 'conserving himself' for the sake of diplomacy. Brown was hurt all season and Worthy was a rookie who really developed nicely but still took time.

And frankly, when Mahomes DID go deep to him, he missed. Sometimes due to PM, sometimes due to Worthy. But it wasn't working so they shelved it while trying to find other ways to involve him.

I mean for 1/3 of the season or so we were running Justin Watson out there as our WR2 with Worthy at WR1.

So...I mean...yeah, I think it's fair to say our weapons were pretty piss poor.

If it's NOT weapons, is it your assertion that Reid just hates throwing it downfield now? Guy's been building passing offenses for 25 years now and since he finally has one of the best to ever do it he's decided "eh, **** it - just throw slants..." for poops and grins?

In literal decades of Andy Reid as an NFL head coach, what has given you the impression that if he COULD push the ball all over the field, he wouldn't?

I mean what's your alternative to "Our pass catchers weren't very good..." because whatever it may be, it's gonna be harder to support than "our pass catchers weren't very good"

They very clearly were not.

staylor26 02-14-2025 04:41 PM

It was a combination of weapons, LT play, and Pat just not playing up to his standard.

But the weapons absolutely had a lot to do with it. You take any teams WR1 AND WR2 that early in the season, and they're going to have problems.


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