I think some of you guys overrate how much rings matter to some of these guys.

Williams used the Chiefs to get a ridiculous contract when he was past 30, he may like living on the west coast with the giant contract over a ring.

I'm sure thats true for many of them

So what you're saying is they thought they could let their left tackle walk (6'8, 345 lbs, 35 in arms) sign a 2nd day career right tackle, and then ease him into the left tackle position while drafting second day projects and singing rentals. That's the definition of cheap...The left tackle isn't a running back or a receiver. If you signed a free agent and they're about to head into free agency you don't have a choice but to over pay. Can't get outbid by the bengals. Veach has been around football long enough to know what's at stake now though. I'm confidant they'll do what they've got to do to sign Jackson or move up in the draft.

It's not the dollars, it's the dollar amounts. Being the highest paid player at a position is a big deal to a lot of these guys. It's the sole reason why Tyreek is gone.

Said left tackle was ****ing awful and has gotten worse since. The Chiefs did the right thing, no revisionist history necessary.

The interesting thing about all of this is what we’re doing is good enough to beat 30 teams in the league and id say there’s a pretty good chance the Rams or Bucs can knock that one team it doesn’t match up with well out next year.

We don’t need major change. We need a reliable #2 CB and we need just an average LT. There are no other major issues.

RB.

They didn't 'go cheap'.

What they did was kinda hem Brown in.

And to an extent, I understand Brown's reluctance. The Chiefs apparently offered him a deal with too much term for the amount of guarantees they were offering. The Bengals offered him ballpark money (some say a little more, some say a little less) but didn't have him sign a 5 year deal to get it.

Brown simply wanted to be able to get back onto the FA market if he'd outplayed his deal. I get that.

That said, you're ignoring the fact that MOST of this headache came from Brown ****ing around and not hiring a goddamn agent until JUNE. And then because of the tag deadline, the Chiefs couldn't negotiate a long term deal with him for more than a week or two. And after he played out that tag season without meaningful progress (he didn't want to negotiate in-season) they were unwilling to be put through that bullshit he pulled the previous off-season again.

Some of it was money. Some of it was risk.

A LOT of it was Orlando Brown Jr being a weird ****ing guy. And in the end, he hasn't even played to the level of the deal he rejected so...what are we even yapping about at this point?

Thank you. Either people pay zero attention to this shit or they have memories like goldfish.

If you're going to play hardball with the Left Tackle that you traded all those assets for, you need to have a plan.


I have no issue with playing hardball if they were sure that $$$ number was more than fair. But it's what came after that didn't match up.

"All those assets"

Sum total of a mid-2nd round pick.

That's it. That's what we gave up for 2 years of solid LT play. We gave up the picks for the surplus value in his deal in 2021 because he was on a 3rd rounders money but played at/near a Pro Bowl level that year.

We paid pretty much what 2 years of solid LT play at below market would be worth.

If we gave up a 2nd rounder for Armstead this off-season and got 2 quality years out of him before he fell off, would that really be some sort of catastrophe?

Again, there's just so many odd re-tellings of this story at this point.

If hindsight is 20/20 the the Chiefs dodged a ****ing bullet with Orlando Brown Jr.

I mean it looks like they absolutely nailed it. They did more than dodge a bullet -- they made a great trade to get him, got the best use out of him they could have then moved on from him at the right time.

If they stay put, lets say they make a really good pick there and take Landon Dickerson. They probably don't take Trey Smith later on and they DEFINITELY don't take Nick Bolton because they don't have 58. Or if Bolton slides to 63, they take Bolton but they don't get Creed.

Or lets say they go OT and take Walker Little -- okay, they still may take Trey Smith but they still don't get Nick Bolton and Creed Humphrey.

And when they let him walk, the appear to have made the right choice to not guarantee him additional money as he's simply been some combination of unavailable or ineffective for most of his Bengals career.

I cannot believe we're relitigating the Orlando Brown Jr. saga at this point.

The Chiefs handled it EXACTLY as they should have. He's completely immaterial to this conversation.

Wanna argue that we should've taken Raimann or Lucas or Tom or Walker or a number of other OTs who came later in subsequent drafts and have outplayed the guys we took instead -- sure, do that. Great argument and one I will largely agree with you on.

But OBJr? Get the **** right outta here with this nonsense. This is just completely made up tripe.

Not going to write off our 25 year old RB who was averaging a career 4.7 YPC going into the season over 1 injury filled season

Mostert just got released. He washed yet or not?