New Conference re-alignment thread

[Saulbadguy]

The old one has AIDS.

Anyways, Chip Brown from Orangebloods.com reports OU may apply to the Pac-12 by the end of the month.

Oklahoma will apply for membership to the Pac-12 before the end of the month, and Oklahoma State is expected to follow suit, a source close to OU's administration told Orangebloods.com.

Even though Pac-12 commissioner Larry Scott said Friday the Pac-12 was not interested in expansion at this time, OU's board of regents is fed up with the instability in the Big 12, the source said.

The OU board of regents will meet within two weeks to formalize plans to apply for membership to the Pac-12, the source said.

Messages left Sunday night with OU athletic director Joe Castiglione and Oklahoma State athletic director Mike Holder were not immediately returned.

If OU follows through with what appears to be a unanimous sentiment on the seven-member Oklahoma board of regents to leave the Big 12, realignment in college athletics could be heating back up. OU's application would be matched by an application from Oklahoma State, the source said, even though OSU president Burns Hargis and mega-booster Boone Pickens both voiced their support for the Big 12 last Thursday.

There is differing sentiment about if the Pac-12 presidents and chancellors are ready to expand again after bringing in Colorado and Utah last year and landing $3 billion TV contracts from Fox and ESPN. Colorado president Bruce Benson told reporters last week CU would be opposed to any expansion that might bring about east and west divisions in the Pac-12.

Currently, there are north and south divisions in the Pac-12. If OU and OSU were to join, Larry Scott would have to get creative.

Scott's orginal plan last summer was to bring in Colorado, Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State and put them in an eastern division with Arizona and Arizona State. The old Pac-8 schools (USC, UCLA, Cal, Stanford, Oregon, Oregon State, Washington and Washington State) were to be in the west division.

Colorado made the move in June 2010, but when Texas A&M was not on board to go west, the Big 12 came back together with the help of its television partners (ABC/ESPN and Fox).

If Oklahoma and Oklahoma State were accepted into the Pac-12, there would undoubtedly be a hope by Larry Scott that Texas would join the league. But Texas sources have indicated UT is determined to hang onto the Longhorn Network, which would not be permissible in the Pac-12 in its current form.

Texas sources continue to indicate to Orangebloods.com that if the Big 12 falls apart, the Longhorns would consider "all options."

Big 12 commissioner Dan Beebe held an emergency conference call 10 days ago with league presidents excluding Oklahoma, Texas and Texas A&M and asked the other league presidents to "work on Texas" because Beebe didn't think the Pac-12 would take Oklahoma without Texas.

Now, it appears OU is willing to take its chances with the Pac-12 with or without Texas.

There seemed to be a temporary pause in any possible shifting of the college athletics' landscape when Baylor led a charge to tie up Texas A&M's move to the Southeastern Conference in legal red tape. BU refused to waive its right to sue the SEC over A&M's departure from the Big 12, and the SEC said it would not admit Texas A&M until it had been cleared of any potential lawsuits.

Baylor, Kansas and Iowa State have indicated they will not waive their right to sue the SEC.

It's unclear if an application by OU to the Pac-12 would draw the same threats of litigation against the Pac-12 from those Big 12 schools.

Stay tuned.

[Bambi]

Originally Posted by Saul Good

Name 3 city schools that have had sustained success in the last quarter century.

Gonna toss Boston College in there too, why not.

[KC native]

Also, anyone wanting TCU to go the the big 12, just stop. TCU hasn't worked to get this far to kiss UT's ass. TCU won't go to the big 12 nor does the big 12 want TCU

[Saulbadguy]

Originally Posted by Wickedson

Gonna toss Boston College in there too, why not.

no.

[Bambi]

Originally Posted by Saulbadguy

no.

ok.

[Saulbadguy]

Originally Posted by KC native

Also, anyone wanting TCU to go the the big 12, just stop. TCU hasn't worked to get this far to kiss UT's ass. TCU won't go to the big 12 nor does the big 12 want TCU

TCU had 33k show up to their game on Saturday.

Forgive me if I don't want a school in the Big XII that averages less fans than KU football.

[Bambi]

Pitt too. They're not bad.

[DaKCMan AP]

Originally Posted by KC native

You're ****ing nuts if you think they recruit better than TCU. TCU is competing with OU and Texas for recruits now. Now, they do beat us on tv sets.

Team recruiting rankings:
.......WVU TCU
2011 47 26
2010 27 46
2009 27 46
2008 42 NR
2007 23 NR

[alnorth]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Only if UCLA does...

(So no, no it does not)

City Schools tend to be pretty lousy with a few spurts of decent play in between, especially in football. They simply can't come up with the resources to run with the big dogs with any regularity.

Louisville will have a few nice years here and there, but they're not going to be any kind of sleeping giant. If Corso actually said that, then you know it's wrong because Corso is pretty much a blathering idiot.

UCLA is a city school. You can't define a result and then proclaim that UCLA's round peg doesn't fit the square hole you constructed.

You have state flagship schools and state land-grant schools, and BCS schools tend to fit under those two buckets. Then you have other major state schools, private schools, directional schools, and city schools. You can't include "they must suck" into the definition of city school.

[KChiefs1]

Originally Posted by Saulbadguy

My god, you are a dumbass. Please refrain from posting in this thread.

TCU > West Virginia > Kansas State

[alnorth]

Originally Posted by Wickedson

Columbus and Louisville are roughly the same size so if Louisville counts as a "city" then I would say Ohio State has had success.

tOSU is not a city school.

[KC native]

Originally Posted by Saulbadguy

TCU had 33k show up to their game on Saturday.

Forgive me if I don't want a school in the Big XII that averages less fans than KU football.

33k showed up because we played an fcs school.

[Bambi]

Originally Posted by Saulbadguy

TCU had 33k show up to their game on Saturday.

Forgive me if I don't want a school in the Big XII that averages less fans than KU football.

oh please...

Average Attendance 2009 (the latest numbers I could find)

Texas... 101,175
Nebraska... 85,888
Oklahoma... 84,778
Texas A&M... 76,800
Missouri... 64,120
Oklahoma State... 53,719
Kansas... 50,581
Texas Tech... 50,249
Colorado... 50,088
Kansas State... 46,763
Iowa State... 46,242
Baylor... 36,306

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Wickedson

Gonna toss Boston College in there too, why not.

BC would technically be a city school, but there's the fact that no - they haven't had much in the way of sustained success throughout their program's history.

BC is probably the best city school available and yet they've pretty much been career also-rans. They've had a few nice years in the last 5 or so, but just watch - they're in their 'up' cycle and they'll be back down in short order.

BC is the 'exception' that proves the rule. They're the best that the city schools have to offer and yet they're still a pretty mediocre program.

[eazyb81]

Originally Posted by alnorth

Mizzou is not at all a big reason for these huge football contracts. OU and Texas are driving those numbers. TA&M is not exactly a compelling powerhouse, either.

Really? Mizzou's 6 million residents and two top 30 metro cities are not a big deal in TV contract negotiations? Losing the second most popular school in Texas, which features 25 million residents, is not a big deal?

You should stick to starting Royals threads.

[Saul Good]

Originally Posted by Wickedson

Columbus and Louisville are roughly the same size so if Louisville counts as a "city" then I would say Ohio State has had success.

Are you referring to "THE Ohio City University"?

You are a dumb****.