Trade whatever possible for a LT prospect

[RunKC]

I don’t care. If there’s a LT in this draft that they feel can be a good quality LT, do it.

I don’t care if it would cost three 1st rd picks. Mahomes is not gonna be this athletic for much longer.

It needs to happen

[Kman34]

Originally Posted by FloridaMan88

“Putting up a fight”?

Amazing rep @jawaan_taylor74 trash ass mf pic.twitter.com/hXa63XAYpJ

— Julio (@RasheeTouchdown) February 11, 2025

I think that was the play where the Eagles line jumped offside.. You can see the flag.. Probably thought the play was going to be blown dead..

[RunKC]

Man oh man oh man. Gotta think majority of this came from the LT position.

via Imgflip

[kccrow]

Putting Taylor at LT when he already isn't that great at RT is an idea cooked up in a meth lab. **** THAT.

He's not ****ing above average at RT, he's not even close.

I looked at the top 37 RTs in terms of snaps played this past year and Taylor is 18th in pressure % (pressures/pass block snaps), 34th in Penatly % (penalties/total snaps played) and 29th in negative play % (penalties + pressures/total snaps played).

Negative Play Sort


Pressure % Sort

[Titty Meat]

Originally Posted by kccrow

Putting Taylor at LT when he already isn't that great at RT is an idea cooked up in a meth lab. **** THAT.

He's not ****ing above average at RT, he's not even close.

I looked at the top 37 RTs in terms of snaps played this past year and Taylor is 18th in pressure % (pressures/pass block snaps), 34th in Penatly % (penalties/total snaps played) and 29th in negative play % (penalties + pressures/total snaps played).

Negative Play Sort


Pressure % Sort

Yeah it's a shame he's got the contract would love to have an open competitor between him and Wayna at RT

[Sassy Squatch]

Who the **** is committing more penalties?!!

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by Sassy Squatch

Who the **** is committing more penalties?!!

Nobody. He's dead last of that group. Spencer Brown is 1 behind him. I calculated based on % of snaps played though, which helps compare a bit better. Only Braden Smith and Spencer Brown had a worse %. It was 36 not 37 RTs. I f'd up on my post.

[suzzer99]

Taylor's been a problem in the regular season, but at least he's played well in the playoffs the last two years (which is all that matters to the Chiefs) until this Super Bowl.

He didn't get his shit pushed in as bad as Thuney, but he kept taking vertical sets against the wide 9 rush that landed him in Mahomes' lap. Once it was obvious they were doing nothing but bull rushing, he should have changed up his set. Maybe it's a technique issue they can fix in the offseason.

Because he's not going anywhere this year. So let's hope for the best.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Couple beliefs I currently hold:

1) Jawaan’s sets make life hard on his RG
2) Kingsley is going to be slotted at RG

And so… hopefully Kingsley’s tackle background will position him to play better with all the space that Taylor kinda makes that guard play within. But this is certainly a problem only one more year because Taylor, although shat on more than he deserves, is not going to be worth keeping at his cap number once the Chiefs can recoup a significant chunk of it back.

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by suzzer99

Because he's not going anywhere this year. So let's hope for the best.

If nothing changes in his play or the way he's allowed to play in the most important game of all their careers I seriously doubt the first regular season game we see next year that things will be different.

This is what it is. I hate it and it's a huge negative but it ain't changing.

[ChiefsHawk]

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

Couple beliefs I currently hold:

1) Jawaan’s sets make life hard on his RG
2) Kingsley is going to be slotted at RG

And so… hopefully Kingsley’s tackle background will position him to play better with all the space that Taylor kinda makes that guard play within. But this is certainly a problem only one more year because Taylor, although shat on more than he deserves, is not going to be worth keeping at his cap number once the Chiefs can recoup a significant chunk of it back.

Thats an issue and the coaches should have had Jawaan fix his stance because it'd also help with penalties.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by suzzer99

Taylor's been a problem in the regular season, but at least he's played well in the playoffs the last two years (which is all that matters to the Chiefs) until this Super Bowl.

He didn't get his shit pushed in as bad as Thuney, but he kept taking vertical sets against the wide 9 rush that landed him in Mahomes' lap. Once it was obvious they were doing nothing but bull rushing, he should have changed up his set. Maybe it's a technique issue they can fix in the offseason.

Because he's not going anywhere this year. So let's hope for the best.

And yet in the clip that's posted above you, he isn't taking a vertical set at all.

We looked into this 'vertical set' thing from Schwartz about 8 weeks ago when he first said it and it was just goofy then and it's kinda goofy now.

Yes, he goes back deep on his sets. Because we work from the shotgun and Mahomes takes deep drops. Brown DIDN'T do that and people killed him for THAT. For 2 years we complained that OBJ wasn't getting back in his set and now that Taylor does we complain about that.

So much so that we even blame the failures of other players on it. Now that Taylor does do it, people blame Smith struggling on him. And when you go to the tap on it and Smith's just getting bullied backwards, people just ignore it and go back to "Taylor takes deep sets!".

Bottom line is that folks will NEVER be happy with the OTs here because nobody bats 1.000 and anytime Mahomes gets hit, the OTs get barbecued for it.

It's all gotten fairly repetitive at this point. And in many instances (such as 'Taylor was as bad as Thuney') just so fundamentally rooted in nonsense that it's just not worth addressing.

[RunKC]

Speaking of Schwartz brothers..Geoff Schwartz thinks we need to draft a DL with our first pick since this isn’t a great OL class, we’d put all our eggs in one basket moving up and this DL class is one of the better ones and a strength of this class.

Hard to disagree with him. Especially with guys like Derrick Harmon available.

Yes the thread was made out of anger and before studying the draft. I think a vet LT might be our best course of action unfortunately

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Speaking of Schwartz brothers..Geoff Schwartz thinks we need to draft a DL with our first pick since this isn’t a great OL class, we’d put all our eggs in one basket moving up and this DL class is one of the better ones and a strength of this class.

Hard to disagree with him. Especially with guys like Derrick Harmon available.

Yes the thread was made out of anger and before studying the draft. I think a vet LT might be our best course of action unfortunately

Hey man. You got there.

I was already there because I'm a draft nerd and have known the state of this draft for OTs for a LONG time.

I mean, I think the OT that is SAFEST is Armand Membou, and he's a 6'3.5" guy who only works at T because he has extraordinarily long arms for his height. And is probably a RT only. And will go way too high for KC's test.

Best-case scenario would be Josh Simmons falling down draft boards and being available in the low 20s, where you could make a deal with the Steelers or Vikings to go get him. That would still have risk, but it's the only first-round, trade-up scenario that I think makes sense for KC.

Other than that, making it a numbers game and having a vet option or two to throw at things sounds like the most logical combination of floor and upside out there.

It's kind of like taking a QB round 1. If a guy that fits and is worth it isn't there or at a pick you can get to, keep band-aiding the position until you can find a real fix that works and is acceptable to your cost ratio.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Speaking of Schwartz brothers..Geoff Schwartz thinks we need to draft a DL with our first pick since this isn’t a great OL class, we’d put all our eggs in one basket moving up and this DL class is one of the better ones and a strength of this class.

Hard to disagree with him. Especially with guys like Derrick Harmon available.

Yes the thread was made out of anger and before studying the draft. I think a vet LT might be our best course of action unfortunately

But what if we could trade McDuffie?

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

Hey man. You got there.

I was already there because I'm a draft nerd and have known the state of this draft for OTs for a LONG time.

I mean, I think the OT that is SAFEST is Armand Membou, and he's a 6'3.5" guy who only works at T because he has extraordinarily long arms for his height. And is probably a RT only. And will go way too high for KC's test.

Best-case scenario would be Josh Simmons falling down draft boards and being available in the low 20s, where you could make a deal with the Steelers or Vikings to go get him. That would still have risk, but it's the only first-round, trade-up scenario that I think makes sense for KC.

Other than that, making it a numbers game and having a vet option or two to throw at things sounds like the most logical combination of floor and upside out there.

It's kind of like taking a QB round 1. If a guy that fits and is worth it isn't there or at a pick you can get to, keep band-aiding the position until you can find a real fix that works and is acceptable to your cost ratio.

All this is why I'll be shocked if Veach doesn't bite the bullet and pay a proven LT in FA. The benefits are many, and even when it's an overpay, it would be so so nice to put a guy in there Mahomes knows can play the position, and you also can just slot Kingsley in at RG and your OL is set before you ever go on the clock.

Then in the draft, it's just BPA through and through which is probably going to mean some combination of DL, RB, DB, and maybe another DL or pass catcher in those first few picks.

If Stanley makes it to the market, I'd say just get ready for it. If he doesn't, my money will be on one of the other vets to quickly get signed by us. I think they already wanted to move Kingsley - hence the Week 18 lineup and him nearly going in for Caliendo - but after the disaster of the SB, I unfortunately don't think planning for his development at LT is a road they can go down. Too much risk.