Let's talk about the 49ers (Super Bowl Edition)

[TLO]

Well Chiefs vs Packers is what I had hoped for, but that's not happening.

Let's talk about Chiefs vs 49ers here.

[dls6501]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

Go compare Alex Smith's 2017 to Jimmy Garoppolo's 2019. They're practically identical, man. Smith's YPA was 0.4 lower than Garoppolo's. He also threw fewer than half as many sacks and had higher QBR and Passer ratings, while taking sacks at basically the same rate (6.5 for smith vs. 7 for JG).

I know I participated in Alex Smith conversation in here today but I really dont want to deep dive into it today. You are comparing Alex's aberration of a year to Jimmy.

Jimmy is worlds better than Alex was, even if the basic stats are similar.

Either way, **** him. Let's put him on his ass all game!!

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by SanDiego49er

Haha. Bosa's clone. Wow. First of all Nick Bosa is far superior to Joey Bosa. Did you even watch him play this year at all? Second of all I don't see 4 guys on the Charger like Buckner, Amrstead, Ford and Nick Bosa. Those 4 are the best front 4 in the league. The Chargers have nothing like that in their front 4. I've seen and been to many Chargers games. The whole front 4 works together. It's not 1 guy in a vacuum. Our front 4 is far superior to theirs and any NFL expert or analyst would tell you so too.

Well now this is just stupid.

Nick Bosa will one day be a better player than Joey. He has come out with far more polish and ferocity than Joey had at the same stage of his career.

But THIS version of Joey Bosa, the 2019 season version, is a better player than the 2019 version of Nick Bosa. I mean, I don't even understand how someone would attempt to argue otherwise.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

Derwin James is the big difference maker there, because of his versatility. He scares me more than Bosa or Ingram or anyone else on that D.

I want one for the Chiefs (I know they aren't getting Isaiah Simmons - hopefully Oakland doesn't, either - but Akeem Davis-Gaither seems like a guy who could be snagged in round 4/5 that plays that same role and pops kind of out of nowhere like James did).

I saw every game Eric Berry played as a Chief at Arrowhead.

And I never saw a safety impact an offense the way James did in that game. Pugs talks about how Andy is always prepared for a pass rush - he damn sure didn't seem prepared for Derwin James that day.

James was everywhere. He was shutting down deep shots, challenging throws underneath, hitting guys as soon as they made the catch. It was a damn clinic.

That kids an incredible player.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I saw every game Eric Berry played as a Chief at Arrowhead.

And I never saw a safety impact an offense the way James did in that game. Pugs talks about how Andy is always prepared for a pass rush - he damn sure didn't seem prepared for Derwin James that day.

James was everywhere. He was shutting down deep shots, challenging throws underneath, hitting guys as soon as they made the catch. It was a damn clinic.

That kids an incredible player.

If I could take any player out of the division (like Mack), it would be James.

[BangbangNinerGang]

Originally Posted by Easy 6

This is really all that needs to be said !!!

Compared to "A Second to End the 50 Year Shortage!"?

[Megatron96]

Teams the Chiefs faced this year with top-15 pass rushes (in no order):

Jags

Ravens

Packers

Bears

Chargers

Vikings

Chargers, for what it's worth, rank in the top 15 in most QB-defense stats, except sacks. But in knockdowns, pressures, pressure %, they are better than average.

In QB knockdowns%, the Ravens and Jags rank 1st and 3rd, while the 49ers rank 21th.

In pressure%, the 49ers are 2nd, the Jags are 6th and the Bears are 7th, only 2% behind.

The Chiefs have seen plenty of good pass rushing DLs. Though a high percentage of those games were actually played by our back-ups and not our current starting OL.

[SanDiego49er]

Originally Posted by staylor26

Joey Bosa:

Proven vet, 11.5 sacks on the year

Nick Bosa:

Rookie, 9 sacks on the year

49ers fan analysis:

Nick is wayyyyyy better than Joey

https://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/49...rb-2019-season

How 49ers rookie Nick Bosa made PFF history with superb 2019 season

By Jessica Kleinschmidt January 02, 2020 1:39 PM

"Nick Bosa isn't just great -- he's historically great.

Pro Football Focus noted the 49ers rookie broke records with his 80 total pressures during the regular season. That is 14 more than any other edge defender has had as a rookie ... ever. This makes it an easy call for PFF to name Bosa as their Defensive Rookie of the Year.

He reached those 80 pressures with 10 sacks, 18 QB hits, and 52 QB pressures.

Bosa is a cut above the rest, and PFF also notes that when looking at total pressures by pass-rushing snaps (rookie edge defenders only), he ranks fourth, behind only Aldon Smith, Von Miller and his older brother, Joey Bosa. Baby Bosa played more snaps in his rookie season, which put him higher overall number.

When you take a look at that impressive group of players that he is included in, it only adds more value and reasoning behind the pick for rookie of the year."

[Gravedigger]

We were up 35 - 10 last year at halftime against them. Robert Saleh was DC, Kyle Shannahan was HC, Jimmy G was QB, the only differences now are essentially Kwon Alexander and Nick Bosa. Those are facts, they can talk around it as much as they want but if Andy didn't go into turtle mode for the second half we would've hung a 50 on them easy and blown them out of KC. Usually I'm not against the national sports media but they're ****ing crazy. Half of them say that the 49ers defense will get to Mahomes and contain him, and the other half say that the weapons make Mahomes, not Mahomes' making the weapons. They're ****ing dumb.

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

Nope.

Rams were better in the secondary, and Aaron Donald is to DL what Pat Mahomes is to QBs.

They don't have anyone on that defense who is as dynamic and unstoppable/uncontrollable as Aaron Donald (even if some seem to think Nick Bosa is already that guy).

I was trying to think of a defense outside of the Pats that have given us fits and I know Pat had like 5 turnovers that game and Donald and the other DE (can't think of his name) had a big game. Yet Pat put up 50.

But statistically the 49ers as a whole were much better this year than the Rams D last year.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by SanDiego49er

https://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/49...rb-2019-season

How 49ers rookie Nick Bosa made PFF history with superb 2019 season

By Jessica Kleinschmidt January 02, 2020 1:39 PM

"Nick Bosa isn't just great -- he's historically great.

Pro Football Focus noted the 49ers rookie broke records with his 80 total pressures during the regular season. That is 14 more than any other edge defender has had as a rookie ... ever. This makes it an easy call for PFF to name Bosa as their Defensive Rookie of the Year.

He reached those 80 pressures with 10 sacks, 18 QB hits, and 52 QB pressures.

Bosa is a cut above the rest, and PFF also notes that when looking at total pressures by pass-rushing snaps (rookie edge defenders only), he ranks fourth, behind only Aldon Smith, Von Miller and his older brother, Joey Bosa. Baby Bosa played more snaps in his rookie season, which put him higher overall number.

When you take a look at that impressive group of players that he is included in, it only adds more value and reasoning behind the pick for rookie of the year."

Um...you realize you just gutted your own argument, right?

I'll give you a hint - maybe go ahead and take a look at how PFF graded the respective Bosas this year.

It isn't gonna go how you think it will...

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by SanDiego49er

https://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/49...rb-2019-season

How 49ers rookie Nick Bosa made PFF history with superb 2019 season

By Jessica Kleinschmidt January 02, 2020 1:39 PM

"Nick Bosa isn't just great -- he's historically great.

Pro Football Focus noted the 49ers rookie broke records with his 80 total pressures during the regular season. That is 14 more than any other edge defender has had as a rookie ... ever. This makes it an easy call for PFF to name Bosa as their Defensive Rookie of the Year.

He reached those 80 pressures with 10 sacks, 18 QB hits, and 52 QB pressures.

Bosa is a cut above the rest, and PFF also notes that when looking at total pressures by pass-rushing snaps (rookie edge defenders only), he ranks fourth, behind only Aldon Smith, Von Miller and his older brother, Joey Bosa. Baby Bosa played more snaps in his rookie season, which put him higher overall number.

When you take a look at that impressive group of players that he is included in, it only adds more value and reasoning behind the pick for rookie of the year."

Nick Bosa is one of the best rookies I’ve ever seen.

He’s not better than his brother yet. He will be, but to say he’s already significantly better is a joke.

[Easy 6]

Originally Posted by BangbangNinerGang

Compared to "A Second to End the 50 Year Shortage!"?

Say something with some real bite, pussy

That weak shit ain’t getting it here... what were you doing in 1995 anyway, getting to first base with your boyfriend?

[BangbangNinerGang]

Originally Posted by Easy 6

Say something with some real bite, pussy

That weak shit ain’t getting it here... what were you doing in 1995 anyway, getting to first base with your boyfriend?

Haha, yeah, your meme was a real killer there champ.... jaws size bite!

[DRM08]

Originally Posted by Gravedigger

We were up 35 - 10 last year at halftime against them. Robert Saleh was DC, Kyle Shannahan was HC, Jimmy G was QB, the only differences now are essentially Kwon Alexander and Nick Bosa. Those are facts, they can talk around it as much as they want but if Andy didn't go into turtle mode for the second half we would've hung a 50 on them easy and blown them out of KC. Usually I'm not against the national sports media but they're ****ing crazy. Half of them say that the 49ers defense will get to Mahomes and contain him, and the other half say that the weapons make Mahomes, not Mahomes' making the weapons. They're ****ing dumb.

Dee Ford has switched teams. Chiefs have lost Kareem Hunt, but they did gain Tyreek Junior in Mecole Hardman. Chiefs defense is better than a year ago thanks to Honey Badger, Clark, Pennel, Suggs, and of course the new DC Spags.

[burt]

Originally Posted by BangbangNinerGang

Haha, yeah, your meme was a real killer there champ.... jaws size bite!

Now, now, gangbangyourmom....there you go being aggressive..... Are we gonna revert to earlier form??