Creed Humphrey Extension with Chiefs

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Sources: The #Chiefs and Pro Bowl center Creed Humphrey have agreed to terms on a massive new deal to make him the NFL’s highest-paid center. pic.twitter.com/47C484DwuE

— Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) August 23, 2024

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Originally Posted by BWillie

Morris who was awful last year OR we roll with an unproven rookie.

What would you call it?

We’ve been drafting guys. Lots of guys.

That’s not neglecting. You can criticize them for not doing it sooner, but it takes time to develop tackles.

[Hoover]

Originally Posted by RunKC

What LT was available to sign in FA? What good LT in the draft was available?

BINGO. People around here act like we can just go down to the LT store and buy what we need. Seriously, people are now saying Cam Robinson should be a FA target in the off season. Bobby is getting excited about cam Robinson and I’m not convinced it makes us better.

And for the record, I’m all for trading tons of draft capital to fit the issues. I would have done that in a heartbeat for Alt.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by tyton75

In his defense, Trey Smith has been having a harder time now that Jawaan is next to him and always takes a deep passpro drop and causing Trey to handle outside heat as well as interior pressure.

Jawaan is more the problem than Trey.. IMO

Mitch said it - don't make it true.

I've looked into this, it's just not accurate. Taylor isn't out there taking abnormally deep drops. He does what OTs do and folks decided to take Mitch's word as Gospel because they were predisposed to disliking Taylor due to the penalties last season.

[threebag]

You’d think the Mahomes Affect could draw a top tackle in? Maybe some other positions? Is not having a ring worth the salary?

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by BWillie

Morris who was awful last year OR we roll with an unproven rookie.

What would you call it?

They made a straight mistake. But they tried to acquire a LT.

If you want to call it a failure, sure but they didn't neglect the position. They drafted a LT in the 2nd round. He just isn't ready.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Hoover

The problem with that logic is what LT is out there that we could have purchased instead? The real issue is the scarcity of good players at the LT position.

Nobody yet.

And Creed hasn't cost any money yet.

The point isn't that it's impacted us to this stage as the contract hasn't kicked in. It's that it very well COULD going forward and this season (and previous ones) demonstrate very clearly how.

A guy like Cam Robinson is going to be more difficult for us to sign and firm up the LT position for the next several years because we'll have Creed's contract on the books instead.

Nobody's frustrated by what the contract HAS done - it hasn't started yet. The conversation is as to what the contract COULD do in the future.

[JPH83]

You can get away with paying a couple of guys on the OL elite money, even if it's centre and guard. If you're paying your RT elite money to be not good at all, that's where the problem contract is.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Mitch said it - don't make it true.

I've looked into this, it's just not accurate. Taylor isn't out there taking abnormally deep drops. He does what OTs do and folks decided to take Mitch's word as Gospel because they were predisposed to disliking Taylor due to the penalties last season.

This. I haven't done it as much this year but I do occasionally watch the All 22. Trey is not struggling because of Taylor. The majority of his problems have been him just getting beat hard right up the middle.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by JPH83

You can get away with paying a couple of guys on the OL elite money, even if it's centre and guard. If you're paying your RT elite money to be not good at all, that's where the problem contract is.

The question isn't what you can 'get away with' -- it's what makes sense.

Terron Armstead signed for 5/$75 million -- that's a $15 million AAV. The offense is better with Armstead at LT and Slappy McSlapdick at C. We know this because we've SEEN this.

This offense was just fine with Austin Reiter at C. And he's as replaceable as they get. He's the Wanya Morris of Cs. He just plays a position that doesn't matter nearly as much.

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Nobody yet.

And Creed hasn't cost any money yet.

The point isn't that it's impacted us to this stage as the contract hasn't kicked in. It's that it very well COULD going forward and this season (and previous ones) demonstrate very clearly how.

A guy like Cam Robinson is going to be more difficult for us to sign and firm up the LT position for the next several years because we'll have Creed's contract on the books instead.

Nobody's frustrated by what the contract HAS done - it hasn't started yet. The conversation is as to what the contract COULD do in the future.

It won’t start kicking in until 2026. Chris, Kelce and Thuney will all be gone. Sure we’ll have paid McDuffie and Bolton but space will be there.

And yeah I get the premise of this point. I think it applies better to Nick Bolton, who is not the best at his position like Creed Humphrey.

Edit-Chris will likely be gone in 2027 not 2026

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

This. I haven't done it as much this year but I do occasionally watch the All 22. Trey is not struggling because of Taylor. The majority of his problems have been him just getting beat hard right up the middle.

Never underestimate the dopamine hit that comes with a 'name' telling you what you wanted to hear.

If anything, the idea that Smith has struggled in pass protection may be a little overstated. He's lost ugly a few times and that's created the belief (I certainly had it).

But when you dig into the numbers he's been no worse than solid in pass pro.

What it's starting to look like is that interior pass protection just isn't moving the needle as much right now. And that seems to be confirmed by what we're seeing from our DL despite having the most dominant interior pass-rusher in the NFL.

It's just looking more and more like we have a misallocation of talent and, going forward, perhaps a bit of a misallocation of resources as Thuney and Creed end up with the highest cap figures at their respective positions in the NFL. They could be EXCEPTIONAL at pass protection (in fact, they are) and it's still not solving our fundamental pass pro issues.

What you need on the interior is 'solid'. Once you get past that, your marginal returns on 'spectacular' seem pretty minimal.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by RunKC

It won’t start kicking in until 2026. Chris, Kelce and Thuney will all be gone. Sure we’ll have paid McDuffie and Bolton but space will be there.

And yeah I get the premise of this point. I think it applies better to Nick Bolton, who is not the best at his position like Creed Humphrey.

I still feel like we're hand-waiving his impact on how good our run defense has been this year.

Bolton's going to be a major part of that.

If we try Tranquil at that spot next year, our run defense is going to suck eggs.

May be necessary; there's only so much money to go around. But I think it will absolutely be impactful.

[JPH83]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

The question isn't what you can 'get away with' -- it's what makes sense.

Terron Armstead signed for 5/$75 million -- that's a $15 million AAV. The offense is better with Armstead at LT and Slappy McSlapdick at C. We know this because we've SEEN this.

This offense was just fine with Austin Reiter at C. And he's as replaceable as they get. He's the Wanya Morris of Cs. He just plays a position that doesn't matter nearly as much.

I'm not saying the Creed contract will be a wise move, I'm saying we didn't get Terron Armstead at OT we got someone playing worse for more, and that is the egregious albatross of a contract from which other issues derive.

Should we have compounded this by overpaying a C, nope, probably not.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by JPH83

I'm not saying the Creed contract will be a wise move, I'm saying we didn't get Terron Armstead at OT we got someone playing worse for more, and that is the egregious albatross of a contract from which other issues derive.

Should we have compounded this by overpaying a C, nope, probably not.

Not even close.

Taylor isn't the reason Morris has sucked. And Taylor isn't playing poorly - he's been pretty much average in pass protection.

[JPH83]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Not even close.

Taylor isn't the reason Morris has sucked. And Taylor isn't playing poorly - he's been pretty much average in pass protection.

And as you said, Smith's been solid in pass pro, he's just also not been paid a boatload. But yes, LT has been the disaster, and the problem in affording an even average one will be the combination of an overpaid elite C, and an overpaid average RT