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Old 12-30-2014, 09:34 PM  
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Jameis Winston
Screw it, seasons over, it's draft season.

This is our guy, he's gonna fall for off field stuff (don't care anyway, it's overblown). He fulfills both sides of cp. He's a winner, and he's a bad ass who's "clutch" (I hate that ****ing cliche so bad, but oh well).

Jameis Winston and Andy Reid in KC. Book it.

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Old 12-31-2014, 10:41 AM   #121
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You'd have to compare him to Cam Newton, except Newton was a tier higher as a football player. Newton was run out of UF in disgrace after he got caught stealing someone else's laptop (and there were other stories told about him that never became media stories, just like with Winston). He managed to wiggle out of the pay-for-play controversy not because no money was solicited but only because the NCAA couldn't prove he knew it had happened.

The questions surrounding him were always about whether he was going to work hard and what kind of leader he could be, and if he would be out of trouble off the field. Obviously he just flipped his truck acting like a dumbass a couple of weeks ago and could have gotten himself killed, and his leadership has always been in question. With Newton though, his football character is fine. He has a passion for football and puts in the work because he wants to be regarded as greater than everyone else, so in that sense his ego and his pride work in his favor.

You don't get that idea about Winston. He comes off like a garden variety dumbass who is extremely entitled and knows nothing about professionalism, a child who you'll have to babysit and hope they stay out of trouble, to say nothing of putting in the work to learn the QB position in the NFL.
I thought someone pulled out in front of him? Is that not what happened?

And besides that, Winston doesn't have hilarious soundbites like Donkey Kong Suh. That shit makes me laugh every time.
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Old 12-31-2014, 10:43 AM   #122
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Piss on Winston.

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Old 12-31-2014, 10:46 AM   #123
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They were right to suspend him,...
Where did I say it wasn't? I stated it as a matter of fact that he was punished for it.

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and only did so because it was yet another misstep in a series of missteps.
Series?
He's cleared on rape, student union charge was bogus. You've got two theft incidents. That's not a series. Sorry but I disagree.

Oh really, you compare Winston to Hitler now. You're gonna drag politics into this? Now if I respond to how irrelevant Godwin's law is, I will be blasted for making a political comment in the Lounge. But here goes:

"memetic tool to reduce the incidence of inappropriate hyperbolic comparisons."
I'm the one trying to reduce the hyperbolic comparisons not some of the others here. That's one reason why it's not relevant, the other is he's an athlete playing football—not a political leader of a government that is armed to the teeth which can crush and murder others.
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Old 12-31-2014, 10:48 AM   #124
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Oh, how unfortunate for you. Feeling is mutual.
Don't get all butt-hurt.

I'm just not use to it...
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Old 12-31-2014, 10:51 AM   #125
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Where did I say it wasn't? I stated it as a matter of fact that he was punished for it.



He's cleared on rape, student union charge was bogus. You've got two theft incidents. That's not a series. Sorry but I disagree.

Oh really, you compare Winston to Hitler now. You're gonna drag politics into this? Now if I respond to how irrelevant Godwin's law is, I will be blasted for making a political comment in the Lounge. But here goes:

"memetic tool to reduce the incidence of inappropriate hyperbolic comparisons."
I'm the one trying to reduce the hyperbolic comparisons not some of the others here. That's one reason why it's not relevant, the other is he's an athlete playing football—not a political leader of a government that is armed to the teeth which can crush and murder others.
I never compared him to Hitler.

I simply said Hitler was a good leader, to illustrate that being a good leader and a good person who achieves good results are not mutually inclusive.
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Old 12-31-2014, 10:51 AM   #126
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Moving the goalposts.

You asked for multiple. I gave you multiple.

Now 2 isnt multiple.
No it's not moving any goalposts. I acknowledged it. I am addressing the hyperbole using words that make it sound frequent and long term. You have two incidents. That's one more. That is not using innuendo when relying on a generality of many businesses complaining.

What I know about the businesses up there talking with Chamber of Commerce is that they have been disappointed in the behavior of Jameis because it made the university look bad—not that there's been multiple incidents with many businesses. So the truth is somewhere in between —not as bad as it's being made out to be. Again, I am challenging the sweeping generality and hyperbole. Not that Jameis never did anything wrong.

Do you understand that?
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I simply said Hitler was a good leader, to illustrate that being a good leader and a good person who achieves good results are not mutually inclusive.
Hitler also got results.

I'm not sure what your point is either...
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I never compared him to Hitler.

I simply said Hitler was a good leader, to illustrate that being a good leader and a good person who achieves good results are not mutually inclusive.
It's still irrelevant and relies on hyperbole. If Jameis is capable of motivating his team members to win, including lacking the talent they had the previous year, that's a good ability. His off field issues haven't hurt his performance as much as it could have. In fact he plays better under controversy. I think if you research a lot of leaders, including those found to be good ones, you'll find some dirt. And you'll find a lot of good people who are lousy leaders too. Even the saints had lice.
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I said as much in the draft forum. I don't want a dumbass (he is) who regresses from his freshman to sophomore year. And dumbass.
One guy responded to this to bust my balls? You dumb****s want him even though he got worse his second year and is coming out?
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Where did I say it wasn't? I stated it as a matter of fact that he was punished for it.



He's cleared on rape, student union charge was bogus. You've got two theft incidents. That's not a series. Sorry but I disagree.

Oh really, you compare Winston to Hitler now. You're gonna drag politics into this? Now if I respond to how irrelevant Godwin's law is, I will be blasted for making a political comment in the Lounge. But here goes:

"memetic tool to reduce the incidence of inappropriate hyperbolic comparisons."
I'm the one trying to reduce the hyperbolic comparisons not some of the others here. That's one reason why it's not relevant, the other is he's an athlete playing football—not a political leader of a government that is armed to the teeth which can crush and murder others.
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Hitler also got results.

I'm not sure what your point is either...
I said "good" results, meaning, for the good of humanity.

I'll be concerned if your next post challenges that.
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I said "good" results, meaning, for the good of humanity.

I'll be concerned if your next post challenges that.
Oh, hell no.

For just a minute imagine what Germany could have accomplished if they didn't destroy their own people.

Other people that didn't look like them.

Even if they were just elitist ****s promoting...eh...****ing sad...sad, angry, disgusting...
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