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Old 11-12-2024, 10:22 AM  
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Old 11-13-2024, 01:34 PM   #121
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They beat Lamar Jackson AND Joe Burrow already.
Yes and I said I expect those QB's to be able to do that stuff.

I see you missed the point as well.

It's a dog shit rookie QB. Coming into arrowhead doing it.
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Old 11-13-2024, 01:37 PM   #122
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DEN has a top-tier defense. CIN does not. TB does not. Etc.
I thought we were concerned with opposing offenses?

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So, let's go forward now. Is there a team on the slate, or a team we're likely to run into in the playoffs, or in the SB, that has better QB/skill players than DEN, and a really good (top-10ish) defense? And what if they 'discover' the same issue with McDuffie that Sean and Coen seem to have found?
So now we are playing what ifs? It was said that a team with better weapons would exploit us. We've already played them and they didn't. It seems like you're worried about something that we've already seen isn't happening. Now if the Bills come out and steamroll then maybe it's time to worry. Not now.

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ut as I said, whether we won or lost Sunday, or whether we win or lose this coming weekend isn't really what I've been concerned with. It's the fact that two teams have gone at McDuffie and had decent success. Now, maybe it's nothing. Or, maybe there's something to be concerned about.
It's nothing until someone proves it isn't. Right now, nobody has proven that.
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Old 11-13-2024, 01:38 PM   #123
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Old 11-13-2024, 01:38 PM   #124
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Yes and I said I expect those QB's to be able to do that stuff.

I see you missed the point as well.

It's a dog shit rookie QB. Coming into arrowhead doing it.
And all signs point to it being an anomaly - see aforementioned victories over Cincinnati and Baltimore.

You're looking for something that doesn't yet exist.
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Old 11-13-2024, 01:44 PM   #125
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I thought we were concerned with opposing offenses?
I'm concerned that it looks like a bottom tier offense may have found something about McDuffie that's exploitable by better offenses.



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So now we are playing what ifs? It was said that a team with better weapons would exploit us. We've already played them and they didn't. It seems like you're worried about something that we've already seen isn't happening. Now if the Bills come out and steamroll then maybe it's time to worry. Not now.

I'm projecting what might happen if the above is true. Which seems reasonable in this case.



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It's nothing until someone proves it isn't. Right now, nobody has proven that.

That's what I said. Maybe it's something, maybe it's not. But the idea that Coen and now Sean Payton "seem" to have gameplanned targeting our best CB is at least interesting, and possibly concerning. Ymmv.
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Old 11-13-2024, 02:55 PM   #126
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DEN has a top-tier defense. CIN does not. TB does not. Etc.

So, let's go forward now. Is there a team on the slate, or a team we're likely to run into in the playoffs, or in the SB, that has better QB/skill players than DEN, and a really good (top-10ish) defense? And what if they 'discover' the same issue with McDuffie that Sean and Coen seem to have found?


But as I said, whether we won or lost Sunday, or whether we win or lose this coming weekend isn't really what I've been concerned with. It's the fact that two teams have gone at McDuffie and had decent success. Now, maybe it's nothing. Or, maybe there's something to be concerned about.
Don’t you think are coaches watch the film and help correct a problem?
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Old 11-13-2024, 03:14 PM   #127
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Don’t you think are coaches watch the film and help correct a problem?


Of course. If they can fix it, they will. If it’s just an anomaly, they’ll know it.


I’m just curious if it actually is an issue. What is it exactly, and how they’ll deal with it if necessary.


I’ve literally been saying, “hmm, this looks odd, what am I seeing here. And if it’s an actual problem, what will they do about it?”

That’s it.
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Old 11-13-2024, 03:18 PM   #128
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Here's the bottom line:

If you want to argue the defense struggled, I agree with you.

If you want to argue the offense struggled, I agree with you.

But this whole "oh noes, we've been exposed" bullshit is exactly that. Bullshit. They had a down game. It happens every year with this team, multiple times even.
Everyone in the league sees McDuffie as one of the best defensive backs in the league. Like any good DB he will have a stretch where his play isn't always top notch but that doesn't mean someone "discovered " his weakness.

Methinks they doth protest too much..
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Here's the bottom line:

If you want to argue the defense struggled, I agree with you.

If you want to argue the offense struggled, I agree with you.

But this whole "oh noes, we've been exposed" bullshit is exactly that. Bullshit. They had a down game. It happens every year with this team, multiple times even.
Also, they had a short week coming off an overtime win on MNF. I was worried about that as I watched it happen.
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I get that Sutton is a good WR. I'm talking about why and how they went after McDuffie. Rookie QB Bo Nix didn't spontaneously decide to go after McDuffie, the 2nd best CB in the league. Sean Payton gameplanned it. I'm curious as to why, and how, when no other teams/OCs have for the last two seasons. And how that might or might not be a problem for us in the playoffs/SB.
We always knew he’d struggle with certain types of No. 1’s as he spent more and more time on the boundaries.
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We always knew he’d struggle with certain types of No. 1’s as he spent more and more time on the boundaries.


Yeah, and it may be nothing more than a stature issue. I know. I think it’s just interesting that of all QBs, Nix went after Mcduffie.
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Here's the bottom line:

If you want to argue the defense struggled, I agree with you.

If you want to argue the offense struggled, I agree with you.

But this whole "oh noes, we've been exposed" bullshit is exactly that. Bullshit. They had a down game. It happens every year with this team, multiple times even.
Yea this is no different than previous years except when they play a down game they still win.

Don't want to bank on that continuing as a trend, but that's the difference.
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Also, they had a short week coming off an overtime win on MNF. I was worried about that as I watched it happen.
Pat historically doesn't play well against Denver for some reason with a few exceptions as well.

We won several times during that long streak of wins against Denver on some flukey shit like the RB fumbling inside the 10 yard line at the end of the game etc...
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Yeah, and it may be nothing more than a stature issue. I know. I think it’s just interesting that of all QBs, Nix went after Mcduffie.
McDuffie hasn’t been on the boundary for majority of games until somewhat recently. Sutton isn’t a great matchup either so it’s kind of a perfect storm. Trent will get better out there but he isn’t gaining length unfortunately.
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Here's the bottom line:

If you want to argue the defense struggled, I agree with you.

If you want to argue the offense struggled, I agree with you.

But this whole "oh noes, we've been exposed" bullshit is exactly that. Bullshit. They had a down game. It happens every year with this team, multiple times even.
I seem to remember the last time we lost to Indianapolis (4-12-1 in 2022). I do believe we went on to win a SB that year.
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