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Dante84 · 09:40 AM

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pugsnotdrugs19 · 08-15-2018, 05:40 PM

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https://www.kansascity.com/sports/sp...216749115.html

Chiefs’ Patrick Mahomes was dazzling in Denver, and the buzz hasn’t let up since

BY VAHE GREGORIAN

vgregorian@kcstar.com

August 15, 2018 03:20 PM

Updated 2 hours 6 minutes ago

ST. JOSEPH
Maybe the Chiefs didn’t quite need to see rookie quarterback Patrick Mahomes perform in his first NFL start — take his first official snaps, in fact — at Denver last New Year’s Eve for an out-with-the-old/in-with-the-new scheme to unfold from there.

If it wasn’t a foregone conclusion that Mahomes would take over for Alex Smith after a one-year apprenticeship, the front office already had an inclination that way between the mere economics of the radical differences in their contracts and its exhilarated conviction about Mahomes’ future.

“We saw a lot (in him), and I think the Denver game didn’t do anything other than reaffirm our position,” general manager Brett Veach said.

Even so, the game doubtless shifted all sorts of meaningful dynamics.

That included perception, reflected in the giddy reaction of many Chiefs fans, deftly encapsulated in the Seinfeldian headline conjured by my dear colleague Sam Mellinger (“He’s real, and he’s spectacular”) and in the stirring of corporate sales.

“I think one of the things that really helped us (in marketing the team) … was the game last year,” said Chiefs president Mark Donovan. “I know it helped him, I know it helped the team (and) it helped us with the transition, because that’s a tough transition.

“You’re going from one of the best quarterbacks in the National Football League (in Smith), and you’re making a young guy your guy.”

With some legitimate evidence instead of just a vague notion of promise.

While Donovan suggested that the air of anticipation is also about other changes, nothing stood out more than Mahomes when he added that the shift has “really ignited the fan base. It has ignited the media.”

Beyond perception, though, the game had at least some influential role in the reality ahead.

“I wasn’t sure how (the Smith-Mahomes question) was all going to work out,” coach Andy Reid said.

Until that night, was the implication,

Until the 27-24 victory in frigid conditions, in which Mahomes completed 22 of 35 passes for 232 yards (albeit with no touchdowns, one interception and another that could well have been picked when he chucked one up for grabs on the final drive).

He led the Chiefs to the game-winning field goal after being reinserted in the game, a circumstance that would almost certainly not come up again but one that was telling nonetheless.

“It (gave) me a lot of positive energy, a lot of confidence going into this season that you know that you can have success against a really good defense,” he said “And so for me to know that and know what it took to have success on that game day is something I can build upon and keep getting better and better with.”

Meanwhile, the game seemed clarifying for Reid.

The blips notwithstanding, Reid was unusually animated afterward when he spoke of Mahomes’ performance. In the process, he served up some morsels that left veteran Reid-watchers sensing he had seen that the future was about to be now.

Reid spoke of how Mahomes had “complete command” and demonstrated his understanding of nuances such as verbiage, his ability to keep tempo and to process and counter Denver throwing “the house” at him with blitzes.

But maybe the real tell was this:

“Not many people can make” a couple throws he made, Reid would say, later adding “not many guys can” throw with a blitzing would-be tackler around his legs (for 17 yards to Albert Wilson on third and 14).

For a guy who plays it close to the vest, this was almost like Reid flinging his cards on the table.

Seeing this play out in a game made for something almost tangibly different than just knowing they had invested heavily to trade up for Mahomes at No. 10 overall in the 2017 draft and that he’d performed well in rookie camp, organized team activities and in the preseason.

While this was what they believed they had, now it was shaded in and upgraded to a different tier of credibility.

Yes, the Broncos were 5-10 entering the last game of a lost season. But consider the other sides of that equation, including that Tyreek Hill and Travis Kelce didn’t play.

“People say, ‘Well, Denver wasn’t playing for anything and this and that,’ ” Veach said. “Well, look, look: The guy didn’t play for four months. He played with a backup offensive line, backup skills guys. And he goes out there and plays really well, on the road, 18 degrees.

“It wasn’t like we threw him out there and it was basically a glorified exhibition game where we were in a climate-controlled environment and the talent was equal on both sides. I mean, Denver still had a pretty good defense last year and some players, and he played against their starters.”

Played in a way that surely raised the threshold on what it would take for the Chiefs to retain Smith, who was having a tremendous season.

Certainly good enough that if the dollars had been the same for each there would have been a fine case for keeping him and making more preparation time for Mahomes, who came out of Texas Tech after his junior year and had not redshirted.

If the Chiefs had been able to muster two playoff wins in one postseason for the first time since the 1993 season, perhaps they would have been compelled to work with the $17 million against the salary cap Smith’s contract called for this season vs. the approximately $3.7 million price tag for Mahomes.

But yet another ridiculous playoff collapse, the 22-21 loss to Tennessee, virtually assured the change ahead.

Smith played pretty well, completing 24 of 33 passes for 264 yards and two touchdowns, but the case for the status quo was shredded. And that meant changing the face of the team and its most influential player.

Having a better feel for where Mahomes was also enabled the Chiefs to address ample other needs that money saved on Smith and his trade value could help reconcile.

So they dealt him to Washington for cornerback Kendall Fuller and a third-round pick they later used in a trade to help secure the No. 46 pick overall, outside linebacker Breeland Speaks, and could spend more liberally in the free-agent market.\

Ripples of the night that made them feel ready to bank their immediate future on Mahomes.

“It gave us all confidence,” Kelce said. “Obviously, the moves we made in the offseason (are) a testament to that. I think just him going out there and being comfortable gave everybody the awareness that, yeah he can do this. He can do this at this level just like he did in college.”

Even knowing there will be gaps in his game and some maddening lapses to go with the awe-inspiring moments.

“I don’t think any of us thinks he’s going to go out there and throw for 5,000 yards and 60 touchdowns,” Veach said.

Veach laughed when it was jokingly suggested he add the words “this year” as a qualifier. The truth is they know it will be a while until Mahomes becomes who he will be.

Not that Veach is expecting this part, either, but as he spoke on the topic he wondered aloud, “Didn’t Peyton Manning lead the league in interceptions his rookie year?” (Indeed he did, with 28 for a 3-13 Indianapolis team. He also threw for rookie-record passing yards, 3,739, and touchdowns, 26.)

Of course, this is a far more stable and established team than the one Manning joined as the first overall pick in the 1998 NFL Draft.

Veach likes to think the Chiefs have a lot more talent around Mahomes than Manning had around him at the time, and that’s part of why this is a process they welcome so much.

All the more so with a jump-start.

No matter how much faith they had in him before Denver, Veach said, you always wonder how someone going from college to the pros will make the jump. For instance, would there be a “deer in the headlights” phase?

In incremental stages toward that night, they had seen Mahomes handle everything ideally – including embracing the tutelage of Smith and demonstrating not entitlement but a diligent work ethic.

That night, they saw all of the key indicators come to life in reality.

They saw him make impossible throws, none more so than hitting Demarcus Robinson in traffic off the dead run and off-balance with defenders in his grill on the game-winning drive.

They — and we — saw the talent and resilience and fearlessness we hear so much about translated intact to this new universe.

“Is it just one game? Yes, so it’s not the be-all, end-all,” Veach said. “But it wasn’t just that game. … It was an accumulation.”

One that took a living form that night and helped usher in the next generation for the Chiefs.

This is a great read. Thanks.

ToxSocks · 08-15-2018, 06:51 PM

If we Chiefs fans end up wrong about Mahomes then we're in good company, as everyone will have been wrong about Mahomes.

Even troll rival fans can sense greatness upon them.

Hammock Parties · 08-15-2018, 06:56 PM

284 yards, Vahe

get it right, cuck media

Marcellus · 08-15-2018, 08:04 PM

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284 yards, Vahe

get it right, cuck media

Missing 2 series and I believe at least 3 really bad drops.

CrowbarMan · 08-15-2018, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing

If we Chiefs fans end up wrong about Mahomes then we're in good company, as everyone will have been wrong about Mahomes.

Even troll rival fans can sense greatness upon them.

Most in the media don't predict the Chiefs to have a winning season. Chiefs fans think we are going to put up 40 a game. Its clear that everyone outside of Chiefs fans think the team is going to struggle this year, which almost certainly means Mahomes to some extent.

**Baby Lee** · 08-15-2018, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing

If we Chiefs fans end up wrong about Mahomes then we're in good company, as everyone will have been wrong about Mahomes.

Even troll rival fans can sense greatness upon them.

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Originally Posted by CrowbarMan

Most in the media don't predict the Chiefs to have a winning season. Chiefs fans think we are going to put up 40 a game. Its clear that everyone outside of Chiefs fans think the team is going to struggle this year, which almost certainly means Mahomes to some extent.

I think anyone who has paid attention expects at least moments of wowee whizzbang out of Mahomes much sooner than any later.

But as I've constantly stressed, most outside the fanbase still see it as a team game, and we're still going to have to build a champion 'the hard way.'

Assemble as much competence as you can at every position and at every level of the organization,
groom a few superstars who can be unleashed when the entire team gels,
and pray like hell for good health when everyone is in their prime

A QB alone, even a superstar, gets you the Lions of the past decade.
An offense alone, even one full of superstars, gets you the Vikings of the 90s.
Bad health and bad gambles at key positions get you the non-SB years of the Falcons or Panthers.

You still have to do ALL the work, even if a superstar at QB relieves some tension here and there.

**New World Order** · 08-15-2018, 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee

I think anyone who has paid attention expects at least moments of wowee whizzbang out of Mahomes much sooner than any later.

But as I've constantly stressed, most outside the fanbase still see it as a team game, and we're still going to have to build a champion 'the hard way.'

Assemble as much competence as you can at every position and at every level of the organization,
groom a few superstars who can be unleashed when the entire team gels,
and pray like hell for good health when everyone is in their prime

A QB alone, even a superstar, gets you the Lions of the past decade.
An offense alone, even one full of superstars, gets you the Vikings of the 90s.
Bad health and bad gambles at key positions get you the non-SB years of the Falcons or Panthers.

You still have to do ALL the work, even if a superstar at QB relieves some tension here and there.

Most SB winners have times where their defense falls apart in the playoffs.

That's when you need a qb who can put the team on his back and carry them to a victory.

We finally have that guy.

WhiteWhale · 08-16-2018, 12:28 AM

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I don't know if it's accurate or not, but I heard something about Eddie that altered my assessment of his 'fall.'

It's not so much the bubble and the money, as he wanted to make things he would be proud to show his kids. He tried to thread the needle of his comedy skills and family-friendly fare.

I mean, his Nutty Professor and Dreamworks voice stuff is pretty solid, and his character in Bowfinger is fantastic, Life, Mr. Church, Dreamgirls, . . voice work in The PJs. He still has quality stuff out there.

Unfortunately you can't just undo the mistake that was "Pluto Nash"

**Baby Lee** · 08-16-2018, 01:06 AM

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Unfortunately you can't just undo the mistake that was "Pluto Nash"

Meh, you do enough stuff and there's gonna be huge clunkers in there.

Some for money - De Niro with Rocky and Bullwinkle, Michael Caine with Jaws 3, Nick Cage with tons of stuff.

Some just bad luck - half of Tom Hanks' early films, Willis with Hudson Hawk, Hoffman and Beatty in Ishtar, Gyllenhal with Prince of Persia.

Travolta has tons of shit, including Battlefield Earth, and apparently Gotti.

Everyone with a resume has clunkers. A ton of talent [notably including Willis and Hanks above] assembled to make one of my personal most LOATHED films of all time, Bonfire of the Vanities.

Haven't seen Pluto Nash, but it can't be that much worse than anyone else's stinkers.

rico · 08-16-2018, 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee

I think anyone who has paid attention expects at least moments of wowee whizzbang out of Mahomes much sooner than any later.

But as I've constantly stressed, most outside the fanbase still see it as a team game, and we're still going to have to build a champion 'the hard way.'

Assemble as much competence as you can at every position and at every level of the organization,
groom a few superstars who can be unleashed when the entire team gels,
and pray like hell for good health when everyone is in their prime

A QB alone, even a superstar, gets you the Lions of the past decade.
An offense alone, even one full of superstars, gets you the Vikings of the 90s.
Bad health and bad gambles at key positions get you the non-SB years of the Falcons or Panthers.

You still have to do ALL the work, even if a superstar at QB relieves some tension here and there.

I tried to ignore this post. I tried. It’s just so stupid and off-base, I literally can’t help it and am seriously wondering if it was just elaborate trolling post. Your football takes are so bad, that when I read them, I want to rip my own jaw off so I can forcibly chew my eyeballs off my face because they are in so much pain after reading your posts. That bad.

Yeah, we ****ing get it, dude. Football is a ****ing team sport. A team can’t trot out a badass QB with the little slap dick nerds from the Little ****ing Giants and expect to reel in Super Bowls. We all get that and that’s why 90% of the actual Chiefs fans on here have expressed concern/panic regarding the OL/Defense at some point in the past few weeks. Because football is a ****ing team game. Everybody ****ing gets that.

However, your continued failure to acknowledge that the QB position is hands down, the most important position in the game and the most crucial to its success is annoying as hell. The QB is the ****ing leader of the team. The field general. Without one, your team is likely to not stand a freaking chance. You make sure that base is covered first and then build from there, for without a QB, there is no chance...Nick Foles is not Trent Dilfer...Foles can ball.. And as passive aggressive, contrarian and subtly spiteful you have always come off towards Mahomes and the Chiefs fans who support him, it does feel for a lot of us as if we actually have a freaking QB in which a Super Bowl win is a possibility for the first time since Trent Green. So pardon us for being excited.

Team game, yeah... but I’m sure that more teams have won and/or made it to Super Bowls with a sub par ILB than with a sub par QB. And that goes for every position. It’s the most important position on the field and if you had ever actually watched a football game in your lifetime, you may know that.

And then you want to make RIDICULOUS statements like “a QB alone, even a superstar gets you the Lions of the past decade.” Seriously? You think the Lions have been a Stafford-only team. Stafford (who is a good QB, for sure, but superstar? Maybe in your mind, for you probably have some sort of crush on him) has had help:

Ezekiel Ansah
Ndamukong Suh
Calvin Johnson
Brandon Pettigrew has had his moments.
Reggie Bush
Golden Tate
Matt Prater
Jamal Agnew
TJ Lang
Glover Quinn
Dan Muhlbach
Darius Slay
Etc...

The Lions have had some talent on their roster. Such an obtuse statement.

The Vikings of the 90’s? You mean the squad that had these offensive pro bowlers (excluding kickers and punters):

Randall McDaniel
Cris Carter
Randy Moss
Warren Moon
Randall Cunningham
Ted Steuissie
Jeff Christy
Steve Jordan
Robert Smith

Compared to their defensive pro bowlers of the 90’s:

John Randle
Joey Browner
Carl Lee
Chris Doleman
Audrey McMillan
Jack Del Rio
Todd Scott
Henry Thomas

Pretty evenly matched there...

And the Falcons and Panthers when they DON’T actually make a SB due to their skill players getting banged up? You referring to Kelvin Benjamin? You should see Cam Newton’s winning percentage without him compared to with him. Cam wins more without him. And Julio Jones, I’m guessing is the Falcons key player you are referring to... shit, those two teams have rolled with the punches. Injuries happen to every team and the Falcons are always a threat, with or without Julio.

Try watching a football game sometime...

Good God, dude.

Marcellus · 08-16-2018, 01:20 PM

Do not let this thread fall off the front page you freaking slackers.

WhiteWhale · 08-16-2018, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee

Meh, you do enough stuff and there's gonna be huge clunkers in there.

Some for money - De Niro with Rocky and Bullwinkle, Michael Caine with Jaws 3, Nick Cage with tons of stuff.

Some just bad luck - half of Tom Hanks' early films, Willis with Hudson Hawk, Hoffman and Beatty in Ishtar, Gyllenhal with Prince of Persia.

Travolta has tons of shit, including Battlefield Earth, and apparently Gotti.

Everyone with a resume has clunkers. A ton of talent [notably including Willis and Hanks above] assembled to make one of my personal most LOATHED films of all time, Bonfire of the Vanities.

Haven't seen Pluto Nash, but it can't be that much worse than anyone else's stinkers.

Baby, you're sperging.

It was a joke. It's just a god awful movie.

I'm pretty sure Travolta didn't get a lot of great work after Battlefield earth.

I'm also pretty sure Nick Cage being in a ton of awful garbage is a feature, not a bug.

**Baby Lee** · 08-16-2018, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by WhiteWhale

Baby, you're sperging.

It was a joke. It's just a god awful movie.

I'm pretty sure Travolta didn't get a lot of great work after Battlefield earth.

I'm also pretty sure Nick Cage being in a ton of awful garbage is a feature, not a bug.

Meh, I'm not that het up. I was fairly sure you were just breaking balls. It's just that over time I've learned not to put too much stock into people I've seen do good work just because they find themselves in a clunker.

So much is fine-tuned in the cinematography, edit, and now special effects that many actors have no idea what their product is like until they see it on screen just the the rest of us.

Hollywood is filled with stories of great concepts that people gave good performances towards that were ruined somewhere along the line by a wild hair by the director, or bad timing, or cheesy effects, or a wrongly cut crucial scene.

Eddie in particular, I think, has been unfairly dinged for 'losing it.' He's had plenty of material interpersed to show he still has it. He just gets talked into poorly thoughht out projects every once in a while. Maybe he needs a better team of advisors, but that's different from losing it.

**SAUTO** · 08-16-2018, 02:50 PM

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Not sure your point, are you saying the media isn't praising Mahomes for that practice throw enough? The defender was standing in front of him waiting for him to finish. Catch was more amazing.

You are good at trolling. Bye bye

Kiimo · 08-16-2018, 03:47 PM

Watch Edge of Tomorrow if you haven't. Tom Cruise is a nutbag but he's a great actor and gives his all every time.

Sure, he enturbulated his personality away but still. He treats everyone great. (I worked on Edge of Tomorrow and Valkyrie)

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