Pro Bowl LT DJ Humphries [signed by Chiefs]

[SHOWTIME]

Does Veach give him a call?

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— Justin Pugh (@JustinPugh) November 22, 2024

[xztop123]

I have no idea what that image means. Nor does it make any sense.

Is morris the lowest pff rated lt in the nfl? I don’t have a paid membership

[htismaqe]

It means the Chiefs, as a team, are 5th-best in the league at allowing pressure. Kind of hard to believe but like DJ said, maybe we are overselling it.

[xztop123]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

It means the Chiefs, as a team, are 5th-best in the league at allowing pressure. Kind of hard to believe but like DJ said, maybe we are overselling it.

I got that but is it per pass attempt or per play attempt? We run the ball a ton esp at first of year.

Also wtf is pressure? Like our defensive tackles gently getting in josh Allen’s face only to allow him to move barely to the side and throw a completely unobstructed pass or scramble for a walk-in td

DE pressure is much diff than dt pressure.

The types of pressure wanye is allowing even josh Allen couldn’t escape

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by xztop123

I have no idea what that image means. Nor does it make any sense.

Is morris the lowest pff rated lt in the nfl? I don’t have a paid membership

It means that Mahomes is pressured on about 24.5% of his drop-backs which, relative to the rest of the league, appears to be pretty good.

It means that if he drops back 40 times in a given game, he'll get pressured roughly 10 times, the BEST situation in the league (evidently Denver and TB according to those stats) will get pressured 8 times in that game.

And basically, from what I can tell, they're dividing the number of 'pass set plays' he's run this year (appears to be 491) by the number of pressures (sacks+hits+hurries) to get their percentage.

Total pressures on the season -- 121, total pass block opportunities -- 491. Thus the 24.5.

And if you were to say say "Man, Mahomes is getting pressured on 1/4 of his drop-backs" we'd immediately think "Damn, he's just getting harassed back there..."

But again, relative to the rest of the league....he really isn't.

Interestingly, the Chiefs pass rush appears to be pretty average when I try to run the reverse stat from their defensive figures. 492 pass rush downs by the defense, 138 ottal pressures -- good for a 28% pressure rate. By that read, our defense is getting more pressure than our offense is surrendering on the season. For most of the season, that would've actually checked out to me.

ESPECIALLY when you see that Jones is responsible for 54 of those total pressures, about 40% of the pressures from the entire defense (including blitzers).

That's gross. Jones really has been hung out to dry by the rest of the pass rush this year.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by xztop123

I got that but is it per pass attempt or per play attempt? We run the ball a ton esp at first of year.

Also wtf is pressure? Like our defensive tackles gently getting in josh Allen’s face only to allow him to move barely to the side and throw a completely unobstructed pass or scramble for a walk-in td

DE pressure is much diff than dt pressure.

The types of pressure wanye is allowing even josh Allen couldn’t escape

It's per pass attempt.

As to your second point, most would actually argue that a DT pressure is MORE damaging than a DE pressure because a QBs first instinct is to step up. You say "Allen can move barely to the side to avoid the DT..." well Allen could just as easily step forward to avoid a DE. And Reid has always said he prefers pressure up the middle as it's "The shortest path to the QB"

It strikes me as, at best, a distinction without a difference.

[Delano]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

ESPECIALLY when you see that Jones is responsible for 54 of those total pressures, about 40% of the pressures from the entire defense (including blitzers).

That's gross. Jones really has been hung out to dry by the rest of the pass rush this year.

Repeating a thought from Chiefs podcast-iverse, but the second Jones signed his mega deal, he assumed the responsibility to generate that percentage of the defenses production.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

It means the Chiefs, as a team, are 5th-best in the league at allowing pressure. Kind of hard to believe but like DJ said, maybe we are overselling it.

Yeah, I don't think I believe it.

But as I've said several times about PFF -- when it comes to fine grading, I don't think it's useful.

When it comes to tiering, especially over large sample sizes (i.e. a team grade) I think it can be pretty useful.

I don't think that it means that Mahomes has gotten the 5th best protection in the league. But what I would be comfortable saying as that, even with a little fudge factor built in, he'd be no worse than mid-pack.

I mean lets compare it to Burrow.

Burrow's line has 497 graded pass plays (which appears to be a pass play that isn't a screen pass). They've surrendered 163 total pressures. THAT'S getting strafed. That's 33%.

Now would I go to war over 33% over 35%? Or 30%? No, no I would not. Just as I wouldn't go to war over the 25% on Mahomes vs. 22 or 28%.

But I would say that those figures diverge enough to say "Man, Mahomes has had much better protection than Burrow has had this year..." and be awfully confident in making that statement. We think of Goff as getting exceptional protection and that's what's making him so efficient but Goff's line, in 388 graded reps, has given up 115 pressures. So roughly 30%. Build in a margin 3% either way (which is probably too much margin given the sample sizes) and I still think it's pretty safe to say that at WORST Goff has had similar protection to Mahomes and in all probability it's probably been worse.

Now again, the last 2-3 weeks have been a different animal. Last week especially. A change is clearly needed going forward. But over the course of the season, we can't just chalk up the offensive struggles to poor pass blocking - relatively speaking, it's average at worst and it might actually be pretty dang decent.

[xztop123]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

It's per pass attempt.

As to your second point, most would actually argue that a DT pressure is MORE damaging than a DE pressure because a QBs first instinct is to step up. You say "Allen can move barely to the side to avoid the DT..." well Allen could just as easily step forward to avoid a DE. And Reid has always said he prefers pressure up the middle as it's "The shortest path to the QB"

It strikes me as, at best, a distinction without a difference.

Only explanation is that they’re counting bs interior push as pressure and our interior has been one of the best.

I’m pretty sure mahomes sack rate is one of the higher - which adds up. When a de gets pressure it’s much more likely to end poorly

[xztop123]

Also consider the lack of deep shots ( aka longer developing plays) west coast quick hitting scheme

[KCJake]

Have we signed this piece of shit yet?

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by xztop123

Only explanation is that they’re counting bs interior push as pressure and our interior has been one of the best.

I’m pretty sure mahomes sack rate is one of the higher - which adds up. When a de gets pressure it’s much more likely to end poorly

The last few games Trey Smith has not played anywhere near the best.

[MahomesMagic]

[Red Dawg]

If he plays and locks down the position somewhat it could be a game changer to our offense.

[JPH83]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

It means that Mahomes is pressured on about 24.5% of his drop-backs which, relative to the rest of the league, appears to be pretty good.

It means that if he drops back 40 times in a given game, he'll get pressured roughly 10 times, the BEST situation in the league (evidently Denver and TB according to those stats) will get pressured 8 times in that game.

And basically, from what I can tell, they're dividing the number of 'pass set plays' he's run this year (appears to be 491) by the number of pressures (sacks+hits+hurries) to get their percentage.

Total pressures on the season -- 121, total pass block opportunities -- 491. Thus the 24.5.

And if you were to say say "Man, Mahomes is getting pressured on 1/4 of his drop-backs" we'd immediately think "Damn, he's just getting harassed back there..."

But again, relative to the rest of the league....he really isn't.

Interestingly, the Chiefs pass rush appears to be pretty average when I try to run the reverse stat from their defensive figures. 492 pass rush downs by the defense, 138 ottal pressures -- good for a 28% pressure rate. By that read, our defense is getting more pressure than our offense is surrendering on the season. For most of the season, that would've actually checked out to me.

ESPECIALLY when you see that Jones is responsible for 54 of those total pressures, about 40% of the pressures from the entire defense (including blitzers).

That's gross. Jones really has been hung out to dry by the rest of the pass rush this year.

It'd be interesting to see whether Jones hasn't just been hung out to dry by the DL pretty much the last 3 years as well. Karlaftis and Danna have had better years in terms of sacks, but I don't think their pressure rates have been higher, and PFF also doesn't rate them as having particularly stellar seasons the last 2 years, in fact they grade Karlaftis higher this year I think. The DTs remain pretty much the same as ever, terrible.

Still feels to me the weak point on the defense even with the investment, and that it is substantially bailed out by blitzes.

[xztop123]

D line is designed to be good vs the run - which it is.

We need to use more rotation for passing plays. Karalaftis is playing almost every down and he’s primarily a run stopper