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Old 04-28-2023, 06:41 PM  
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Old 10-03-2023, 10:20 AM   #1306
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Man I love how fast Rice turns up field once he catches the ball. Faster than any other WR on the roster. However I also think that’s part of his drop issues


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Yeah, that explosive 10- and 20-yard split speed really shows up when he accelerates after the catch.
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Just keep feeding him the ball.
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Old 10-03-2023, 10:22 AM   #1308
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It’s odd because I’d argue he’s more prepared for the ball than a lot of our other guys. Watch the way he sits in his spot and asks for the ball. The guy knows where to cut off his route and find the most open space. It’s the reason you can tell mahomes really trusts him.
It's really my major concern with him. I don't see many of these as concentration drops at this point - they're looking like technique drops.

Now maybe, as happens with a goalie having a bad game, he's "fighting the puck" and his hands are just a little too tight as the ball is coming in. But he's getting his hands up and the ball's just bouncing off them. That's a technique problem in that he's just not absorbing the ball with his hands.

Now in complete fairness - I've never caught a 50 mph football and I'm sure that's ****ing hard. There's probably a lot more to it that 'put the point in the window' as I was always taught. But man, that always seems to fix any issues because when you do that, your hands really don't have a choice but to wrap around the ball.

It's odd.

Then again, I take some comfort in the stat that I believe CD put up around here somewhere - drop rates almost always stabilize for 95% of receivers in the league. Some are truly remarkable, some are truly bad. But 95% of receivers have drop rates within the margin of error of each other. And over large enough sample sizes, pretty much all of them regress/progress to the mean.

I'm fairly confident that Rice will do the same. He's just fighting the ball a bit at the moment.
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Just keep feeding him the ball.
Feed him snaps. The ball will come naturally.
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Rookies aren't just learning a playbook. They're learning how to be pros and adjusting to the jump in competition on top of everything else. The vets already have a good grasp of NFL concepts, the speed of the game, etc.

Of course only you need this nuance explained to you.
We have the only system where guys have to take a year to "learn to be pros and adjust to the level of competition"?

Like OTWP was saying last week, there's no reason Puka can come out his rookie year and set rookie receiving records, meanwhile Rice can't even play the majority of snaps. Especially when the players in front of him produce less than him. Keep him out there. He'll make mistakes, but he clearly will make more plays than the rest of the WRs.
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Eh, I do feel like they're bringing Rice along at about the normal rate you'd see a rookie.

Puka is the exception, not the rule. It happens.
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We have the only system where guys have to take a year to "learn to be pros and adjust to the level of competition"?

Like OTWP was saying last week, there's no reason Puka can come out his rookie year and set rookie receiving records, meanwhile Rice can't even play the majority of snaps. Especially when the players in front of him produce less than him. Keep him out there. He'll make mistakes, but he clearly will make more plays than the rest of the WRs.
Who said they have to take a year?

I'm simply explaining why he's not a starter 4 weeks into the season.

And Puka is the epitome of an outlier. Even the best WR in the game took several weeks to become a starter and break out.
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Eh, I do feel like they're bringing Rice along at about the normal rate you'd see a rookie.

Puka is the exception, not the rule. It happens.
He has the 2nd lowest snap count % of the WRs drafted in the 1st and 2nd round. And again, it's not like we're in a situation where there are proven players or star players in front of him preventing him from getting snaps. From what we've seen, there's no reason he shouldn't have been getting starter snaps since game 1.
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Look at this year's 1st round WRs.

Addison: still WR3 behind Osborn.

JSN: WR3 on a team that runs a lot of 12 personnel.

Johnston: was WR4 until Mike Williams went down. Still behind Joshua Palmer.

The only 1st round WR that's getting starter snaps is Flowers. That's it.

Rice is probably getting targeted more than any of those guys, except maybe Addison (who just put up a dud this week).
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Who said they have to take a year?

I'm simply explaining why he's not a starter 4 weeks into the season.

And Puka is the epitome of an outlier. Even the best WR in the game took several weeks to become a starter and break out.
Yes Puka is the exception which is why I only pointed to Rices snap count not production. I wouldn't expect him to start setting receiving records, but Puka is playing 88% of snaps. Rice can't even get 51%?
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He has the 2nd lowest snap count % of the WRs drafted in the 1st and 2nd round. And again, it's not like we're in a situation where there are proven players or star players in front of him preventing him from getting snaps. From what we've seen, there's no reason he shouldn't have been getting starter snaps since game 1.
Now do targets and target share.

Who cares what his snap count is right now? He's getting more usage than any other WR on the team. The snaps will clearly increase. JFC you guys are so impatient.
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Yes Puka is the exception which is why I only pointed to Rices snap count not production. I wouldn't expect him to start setting receiving records, but Puka is playing 88% of snaps. Rice can't even get 51%?
Even with Rice's snap count, he's still been our most targeted WR.

You're ignoring his actual usage to complain about his snap counts, which are pretty much guaranteed to go up.
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Now do targets and target share.

Who cares what his snap count is right now? He's getting more usage than any other WR on the team. The snaps will clearly increase. JFC you guys are so impatient.
...that helps prove the case that he should have been getting more snaps.
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...that helps prove the case that he should have been getting more snaps.
And it should also give you confidence that the snap count increase that you are waiting anxiously for is coming.

Do you think it's an accident or happenstance that he's been our most targeted WR, despite the snap count?

It's not like they don't clearly realize he's one of their top 2-3 WRs.

But of course, per usual, you know better than Andy and Veach.
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And it should also give you confidence that the snap count increase that you are waiting anxiously for is coming.

It's not like they don't clearly realize he's one of their top 2-3 WRs.

But of course, per usual, you know better than Andy and Veach.
They're doing the whole "you must know better than Reid" argument in another thread. You should join in. You'd feel right at home.
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