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**KcMizzou** · 07-08-2010, 08:18 PM

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**Shogun** · 02-13-2011, 12:59 PM

Its alright that he lost.

Very rarely, although there are exceptions, do you see a man the age of Fedor competing well at the highest level of a sport as physical as MMA. Kobe can barely keep up; and that is just Basketball. There are not many 32 year old running backs in the NFL. Its just life.

Fedor is a small and not particularly strong HW who always relied on his speed as a huge advantage. He's been slowing down for a while now, so at this point he's lost the biggest advantage he had over his opponents. He is at the age where this happens to athletes. I don't think the fact that he is human should diminish his legacy.

He is still the GOAT of MMA and if you don't agree then you haven't been watching MMA for very long.

**Shogun** · 02-13-2011, 01:09 PM

You can see the look in Barnett's face.

Fedor is all class. Win or lose. He never gave in to the money and he was never bought out as if he were some kind of whore like many others have been. Not many men would have had the guts to announce their retirement right after the fight like that either. You have to respect him.

You don't see other fighters who go out on their shields in other combat sports discredited and admonished nearly as much. Look at Boxing, a sport where their legends are revered, looked upon fondly for being the best of their era and fighters who were seminal to their sport. You don't have boxing fans saying Mike Tyson though waning at the end of his career and losing fights he would have won in his prime, was never was a top pound-for-pound boxer for a long, long time or attempting to discredit his career at every turn, kicking him when he is down. How about K1 where Peter Aerts is looked upon fondly by so many and regardless of a declining skill-set is still congratulated for his efforts at the point of his career. This even applies more so in team sports where players like Michael Jordan, Joe Montana, Hank Aaron, Nolan Ryan, Larry Bird, Bill Russell and countless others are adored by the followers of their sport and accepted as the greatest players of their professional eras.

Honestly, I don't get the majority of you guys. You say you're fans, but you're only passionate about detracting from the positive, layering a bevy of incendiary disdain on anything you don't agree with instead of at least attempting to appreciate it and understand where the positivity is derived from. MMA fans are some of the worst fans that exist, of any sport. It's sad that it's to be expected around here.

kcxiv · 02-13-2011, 01:17 PM

All i seen was one guy get his ****ing ass beat to a supposedly tier 2 fighter and it wasnt close. Did one guy escape some submissions? yep, and it was nicely done, but that was the extent of it.

I admitted i havent seen many of Fedor's fights, but the fights i did see, ididnt see anything special. Fedor isnt the reason why i watch mma, or any reason at all really. OH well, everyones career comes to an end sooner or later.

TheGuardian · 02-13-2011, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by kcxiv

All i seen was one guy get his ****ing ass beat to a supposedly tier 2 fighter and it wasnt close. Did one guy escape some submissions? yep, and it was nicely done, but that was the extent of it.

I admitted i havent seen many of Fedor's fights, but the fights i did see, ididnt see anything special. Fedor isnt the reason why i watch mma, or any reason at all really. OH well, everyones career comes to an end sooner or later.

You and CoMo are ****ing MMA mental midgets. I really wish people who just start watching MMA would never open their ****ing mouths.

TheGuardian · 02-13-2011, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Shogun

You can see the look in Barnett's face.

Fedor is all class. Win or lose. He never gave in to the money and he was never bought out as if he were some kind of whore like many others have been. Not many men would have had the guts to announce their retirement right after the fight like that either. You have to respect him.

You don't see other fighters who go out on their shields in other combat sports discredited and admonished nearly as much. Look at Boxing, a sport where their legends are revered, looked upon fondly for being the best of their era and fighters who were seminal to their sport. You don't have boxing fans saying Mike Tyson though waning at the end of his career and losing fights he would have won in his prime, was never was a top pound-for-pound boxer for a long, long time or attempting to discredit his career at every turn, kicking him when he is down. How about K1 where Peter Aerts is looked upon fondly by so many and regardless of a declining skill-set is still congratulated for his efforts at the point of his career. This even applies more so in team sports where players like Michael Jordan, Joe Montana, Hank Aaron, Nolan Ryan, Larry Bird, Bill Russell and countless others are adored by the followers of their sport and accepted as the greatest players of their professional eras.

Honestly, I don't get the majority of you guys. You say you're fans, but you're only passionate about detracting from the positive, layering a bevy of incendiary disdain on anything you don't agree with instead of at least attempting to appreciate it and understand where the positivity is derived from. MMA fans are some of the worst fans that exist, of any sport. It's sad that it's to be expected around here.

The issue there Sho, is that MMA is still new for a lot of assholes who follow it. Like kcxiv and CoMo. They have no real concept of the history of it or the fighters of it. They watch it because of douche bags like Brock Lesnar or because it's becoming popular and they want to be "hip". Idiots like this will always exist and right now there will be more than usual because MMA is still a new sport in comparison to sports like baseball, football, basketball.

But the smart ones know how great and legendary that a guy like Fedor is and what he means to this sport and the true fans who follow it. I don't give two shits what morons from this board or sherdog or anywhere have to say about it really.

Jerm · 02-13-2011, 01:34 PM

I like Fedor and is he one of the GOATs? Of course he is.

Having said that, I gotta be honest...the fact that he consistently refused to come fight in the UFC once Pride closed and had the biggest morons in the business, M-1, run his career has soured me on him quite a bit.

Lets be real here, Fedor while great hasn't done anything since 2006 and is damn near 0-3 in Strikeforce.

He's in the pantheon of great fighters but I can't call him the overall GOAT because he didnt want to fight the best HWs in the world while he was still in his prime.

Ill probably get killed for this but its ok lol.

TheGuardian · 02-13-2011, 01:42 PM

Fedor is the GOAT. End of ****ing discussion.

kcxiv · 02-13-2011, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by TheGuardian

You and CoMo are ****ing MMA mental midgets. I really wish people who just start watching MMA would never open their ****ing mouths.

I haven't just started, i been watching MMA since the First UFC back in the mid 90's i am just not all gung ho about the sport. I will watch fights with m y brother in law. He's a big mmo fan.

I just am just a step above casual you can say, i know who most fighters are, but for me, they arent must watch live, like i would say a football or basketball game.

Even the other dude above me said Fedor hasnt done anything good since 2006. Maybe he was a beast in his younger years, I havent seen that in the last few fights i have seen of his. I am wrong, please tell me why. I asked that on another forum, and no one has said why, just basically get asshurt cause, i dont know why.

**Shogun** · 02-13-2011, 02:10 PM

That isn't really fair to say he hasn't done anything since 2006. He wrecked Sylvia and Arlovski when they were still considered top 10 opponents. That is a fact. The fact that he has lost his last two is signs that he is slowing down and outside of his prime. Its so unfair to say he hasn't done anything since 2006, he ****ing won dominantly. M-1 is complete garbage for him and I admit that as a fan, but he is very loyal to M-1 as they did everything for him as far as manage fights when he was in PRIDE, he trusted/trusts them. Maybe now he will see that they will milk him for the last piece he is worth and that is really sad. Nothing better describes Fedors career but "a decade of dominance"

and for kcxiv, you said you have not seen all of Fedors fights, this is all you need to see in order to feel his dominance

He destroyed Crocop when crocop was being ranked above him at #1
He destroyed Nogeuria 3 times when many considered when he was champion that he was unbeatable.
He came back against one of the best wrestlers in the division (Randleman) with a broken collar bone from a slam and submitted him with ease
Many more. The fact that people say he has a padded record and is overrated is just ignorance to people that did not watch him Fight when he was in his prime, it is ignorance at its best. Watch that video, seriously. Try and understand. He was ranked #1 at heavyweight for 10 years for a reason.

TheGuardian · 02-13-2011, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by kcxiv

I haven't just started, i been watching MMA since the First UFC back in the mid 90's i am just not all gung ho about the sport. I will watch fights with m y brother in law. He's a big mmo fan.

I just am just a step above casual you can say, i know who most fighters are, but for me, they arent must watch live, like i would say a football or basketball game.

Even the other dude above me said Fedor hasnt done anything good since 2006. Maybe he was a beast in his younger years, I havent seen that in the last few fights i have seen of his. I am wrong, please tell me why. I asked that on another forum, and no one has said why, just basically get asshurt cause, i dont know why.

Fedor has generally fought wars, he takes chaces so he opens himself up to a lot of shots and subs. Against Brett Rogers he got his nose broke and then knocked Rogers the **** out. That's Fedor. The fight again Werdum he just got caught. Last night was really classic Fedor. If they let it continue he probably wins that fight in the 3rd. But it was a stoppage. Maybe you just don't know great fighters when you see them. You had your lips affixed to Lesnar's cock as well didn't you?

**Shogun** · 02-13-2011, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by TheGuardian

Fedor has generally fought wars, he takes chaces so he opens himself up to a lot of shots and subs. Against Brett Rogers he got his nose broke and then knocked Rogers the **** out. That's Fedor. The fight again Werdum he just got caught. Last night was really classic Fedor. If they let it continue he probably wins that fight in the 3rd. But it was a stoppage. Maybe you just don't know great fighters when you see them. You had your lips affixed to Lesnar's cock as well didn't you?

Basically this, he is notorious for winning long fights when they go that far and they rarely do. You could tell from Silva's demeanor when he got up and after they said he won via Doc stoppage that he was relieved because he gassed himself out Carwin style. I can't say whether he would have won or not but he would have tried, he can fight with one eye, he has proved it before against Crocop, this is why I miss Japanese Doctors. Basically if you can still see out of one eye and throw punches they let it continue.

Jerm · 02-13-2011, 02:17 PM

Fedor didn't just "get caught" against Werdum...he jumped recklessly not once but twice into the guard of one of the top 2 or 3 BJJ guys in all of MMA. It was ****ing moronic.

See there's no point...there is ZERO objectivity in this discussion.

kcxiv · 02-13-2011, 02:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheGuardian

Fedor has generally fought wars, he takes chaces so he opens himself up to a lot of shots and subs. Against Brett Rogers he got his nose broke and then knocked Rogers the **** out. That's Fedor. The fight again Werdum he just got caught. Last night was really classic Fedor. If they let it continue he probably wins that fight in the 3rd. But it was a stoppage. Maybe you just don't know great fighters when you see them. You had your lips affixed to Lesnar's cock as well didn't you?

lol, No, i liked Brock the WWF wrestler and i wanted him to do well in MMA, but i am not a Lesnar fanatic. lol I loved every second of Cain beating his ass.

TheGuardian · 02-13-2011, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Jerm

Fedor didn't just "get caught" against Werdum...he jumped recklessly not once but twice into the guard of one of the top 2 or 3 BJJ guys in all of MMA. It was ****ing moronic.

See there's no point...there is ZERO objectivity in this discussion.

That is how he's fought all of his fights, and yet it's moronic?

Dumbass.

Jerm · 02-13-2011, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by TheGuardian

That is how he's fought all of his fights, and yet it's moronic?

Dumbass.

You wanna say it wasn't moronic...boy you're right, it was ****ing genius...it only lead to him getting choked out.

Try again you ****ing idiot.

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02-13-2011, 01:17 PM	#1278
kcxiv In Search of a Life Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Central Valley, Cali Casino cash: $8807996	All i seen was one guy get his ****ing ass beat to a supposedly tier 2 fighter and it wasnt close. Did one guy escape some submissions? yep, and it was nicely done, but that was the extent of it. I admitted i havent seen many of Fedor's fights, but the fights i did see, ididnt see anything special. Fedor isnt the reason why i watch mma, or any reason at all really. OH well, everyones career comes to an end sooner or later.
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02-13-2011, 01:34 PM	#1281
Jerm Mahomes > God Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Clinton, MO Casino cash: $4898996	I like Fedor and is he one of the GOATs? Of course he is. Having said that, I gotta be honest...the fact that he consistently refused to come fight in the UFC once Pride closed and had the biggest morons in the business, M-1, run his career has soured me on him quite a bit. Lets be real here, Fedor while great hasn't done anything since 2006 and is damn near 0-3 in Strikeforce. He's in the pantheon of great fighters but I can't call him the overall GOAT because he didnt want to fight the best HWs in the world while he was still in his prime. Ill probably get killed for this but its ok lol.
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02-13-2011, 01:42 PM	#1282
TheGuardian MVP Join Date: Mar 2009 Casino cash: $7705299	Fedor is the GOAT. End of ****ing discussion.
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02-13-2011, 02:17 PM	#1287
Jerm Mahomes > God Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Clinton, MO Casino cash: $4898996	Fedor didn't just "get caught" against Werdum...he jumped recklessly not once but twice into the guard of one of the top 2 or 3 BJJ guys in all of MMA. It was ****ing moronic. See there's no point...there is ZERO objectivity in this discussion.
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