Home Discord Chat
Go Back   ChiefsPlanet > Nzoner's Game Room
Reload this Page Chiefs ****The Clyde Edwards-Helaire Thread*****
Register FAQDonate Members List Calendar

Reply
Page 85 of 307 « First 357581828384 85 8687888995135185 Last »
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 04-23-2020, 10:09 PM  
Dante84 Dante84 is offline
Tossed Salad & Scrambled Eggs
 
Dante84's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: ATX & OPKS
Casino cash: $-288004
VARSITY
*****The Clyde Edwards-Helaire Thread*****
More to come! (I'll clean it up later - info dump into the OP)

(mod edit, all the goodness is in the spoiler tags)
Spoiler!
Last edited by Bearcat; 04-28-2020 at 12:07 PM..
Posts: 20,129
Dante84 is obviously part of the inner Circle.Dante84 is obviously part of the inner Circle.Dante84 is obviously part of the inner Circle.Dante84 is obviously part of the inner Circle.Dante84 is obviously part of the inner Circle.Dante84 is obviously part of the inner Circle.Dante84 is obviously part of the inner Circle.Dante84 is obviously part of the inner Circle.Dante84 is obviously part of the inner Circle.Dante84 is obviously part of the inner Circle.Dante84 is obviously part of the inner Circle.
     Reply With Quote
Old 05-18-2020, 02:54 PM   #1261
Easy 6 Easy 6 is offline
pie is never free
 
Easy 6's Avatar
 

Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: the drivers seat
Casino cash: $1607775
Those pass catching skillz looked pretty sweet...
Posts: 95,459
Easy 6 is obviously part of the inner Circle.Easy 6 is obviously part of the inner Circle.Easy 6 is obviously part of the inner Circle.Easy 6 is obviously part of the inner Circle.Easy 6 is obviously part of the inner Circle.Easy 6 is obviously part of the inner Circle.Easy 6 is obviously part of the inner Circle.Easy 6 is obviously part of the inner Circle.Easy 6 is obviously part of the inner Circle.Easy 6 is obviously part of the inner Circle.Easy 6 is obviously part of the inner Circle.
     Reply With Quote
Old 05-18-2020, 08:19 PM   #1262
RunKC RunKC is offline
Andy Reid Supporter
 
RunKC's Avatar
 

Join Date: Apr 2012
Casino cash: $149611
I’m convinced that Veach’s talk about not getting many yards on early downs to help our offense was directly linked to the 2018 Broncos game at Denver. Just watching this game and Kareem did so much to help our offense that game.

We were getting at least 4 yards a pop nearly every carry.
__________________
Mike Greenberg@Espngreeny
I can’t fathom what it must be like to be a fan of the #Chiefs.


Adopt a Chief: Jared Wiley
Posts: 48,913
RunKC is obviously part of the inner Circle.RunKC is obviously part of the inner Circle.RunKC is obviously part of the inner Circle.RunKC is obviously part of the inner Circle.RunKC is obviously part of the inner Circle.RunKC is obviously part of the inner Circle.RunKC is obviously part of the inner Circle.RunKC is obviously part of the inner Circle.RunKC is obviously part of the inner Circle.RunKC is obviously part of the inner Circle.RunKC is obviously part of the inner Circle.
     Reply With Quote
Old 05-18-2020, 08:33 PM   #1263
Pitt Gorilla Pitt Gorilla is offline
Banned!
 
Pitt Gorilla's Avatar
 

Join Date: Sep 2000
Location: NOT Columbia, MO 65201
Casino cash: $1390194
Quote:
Originally Posted by RunKC View Post
I’m convinced that Veach’s talk about not getting many yards on early downs to help our offense was directly linked to the 2018 Broncos game at Denver. Just watching this game and Kareem did so much to help our offense that game.

We were getting at least 4 yards a pop nearly every carry.
I LOVE CEH, but Veach could have kept Hunt.
__________________

Your son is a bench warmer because of your weak genetics not because of the coach

Norlin Mommsen is disgusting.
Posts: 46,955
Pitt Gorilla is obviously part of the inner Circle.Pitt Gorilla is obviously part of the inner Circle.Pitt Gorilla is obviously part of the inner Circle.Pitt Gorilla is obviously part of the inner Circle.Pitt Gorilla is obviously part of the inner Circle.Pitt Gorilla is obviously part of the inner Circle.Pitt Gorilla is obviously part of the inner Circle.Pitt Gorilla is obviously part of the inner Circle.Pitt Gorilla is obviously part of the inner Circle.Pitt Gorilla is obviously part of the inner Circle.Pitt Gorilla is obviously part of the inner Circle.
     Reply With Quote
Old 05-19-2020, 12:40 AM   #1264
Ubeja Vontell Ubeja Vontell is offline
Banned
 

Join Date: Aug 2019
Location: central Cali
Casino cash: $10010413
Getting yards on early downs is more 225ish banger back, hmmmm?
Posts: 14,032
Ubeja Vontell < Tried to steal Andy's chili fries.Ubeja Vontell < Tried to steal Andy's chili fries.Ubeja Vontell < Tried to steal Andy's chili fries.Ubeja Vontell < Tried to steal Andy's chili fries.Ubeja Vontell < Tried to steal Andy's chili fries.Ubeja Vontell < Tried to steal Andy's chili fries.Ubeja Vontell < Tried to steal Andy's chili fries.Ubeja Vontell < Tried to steal Andy's chili fries.Ubeja Vontell < Tried to steal Andy's chili fries.Ubeja Vontell < Tried to steal Andy's chili fries.Ubeja Vontell < Tried to steal Andy's chili fries.
 Thumbs Up 0 Thumbs Down 2     Reply With Quote
Old 05-19-2020, 12:44 AM   #1265
JakeF JakeF is offline
MVP
 
JakeF's Avatar
 

Join Date: May 2017
Casino cash: $9990400
Will CEH surpass 800 receiving yards 2020?
Posts: 10,605
JakeF Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.JakeF Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.JakeF Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.JakeF Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.JakeF Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.JakeF Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.JakeF Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.JakeF Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.JakeF Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.JakeF Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.JakeF Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.
     Reply With Quote
Old 05-19-2020, 06:55 AM   #1266
Skyy God Skyy God is offline
11-5, baby
 

Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Livin the dream
Casino cash: $2191557
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ubeja Vontell View Post
Getting yards on early downs is more 225ish banger back, hmmmm?
Just shut up.

That guy is gonna fumble his way out of the league.
Posts: 22,416
Skyy God is obviously part of the inner Circle.Skyy God is obviously part of the inner Circle.Skyy God is obviously part of the inner Circle.Skyy God is obviously part of the inner Circle.Skyy God is obviously part of the inner Circle.Skyy God is obviously part of the inner Circle.Skyy God is obviously part of the inner Circle.Skyy God is obviously part of the inner Circle.Skyy God is obviously part of the inner Circle.Skyy God is obviously part of the inner Circle.Skyy God is obviously part of the inner Circle.
 Thumbs Up 4 Thumbs Down 0     Reply With Quote
Old 05-20-2020, 09:54 AM   #1267
ThaVirus ThaVirus is online now
Grand champ
 
ThaVirus's Avatar
 

Join Date: Sep 2007
Casino cash: $-37631
Posts: 45,778
ThaVirus is obviously part of the inner Circle.ThaVirus is obviously part of the inner Circle.ThaVirus is obviously part of the inner Circle.ThaVirus is obviously part of the inner Circle.ThaVirus is obviously part of the inner Circle.ThaVirus is obviously part of the inner Circle.ThaVirus is obviously part of the inner Circle.ThaVirus is obviously part of the inner Circle.ThaVirus is obviously part of the inner Circle.ThaVirus is obviously part of the inner Circle.ThaVirus is obviously part of the inner Circle.
     Reply With Quote
Old 05-20-2020, 10:19 AM   #1268
staylor26 staylor26 is offline
In Search of a Life
 
staylor26's Avatar
 

Join Date: Oct 2007
Casino cash: $-330960
Not to mention CEH staying in to block often would be a waste of his talent.
Posts: 51,034
staylor26 is obviously part of the inner Circle.staylor26 is obviously part of the inner Circle.staylor26 is obviously part of the inner Circle.staylor26 is obviously part of the inner Circle.staylor26 is obviously part of the inner Circle.staylor26 is obviously part of the inner Circle.staylor26 is obviously part of the inner Circle.staylor26 is obviously part of the inner Circle.staylor26 is obviously part of the inner Circle.staylor26 is obviously part of the inner Circle.staylor26 is obviously part of the inner Circle.
     Reply With Quote
Old 05-20-2020, 10:37 AM   #1269
DJ's left nut DJ's left nut is online now
Sauntering Vaguely Downwards
 
DJ's left nut's Avatar
 

Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Columbia, Mo
Casino cash: $919099
Quote:
Originally Posted by staylor26 View Post
Not to mention CEH staying in to block often would be a waste of his talent.
Eh.

If it gives Mahomes another 1/2 second to find Hill, Kelce, Watkins or Hardman, it's a fine use of your RB.

Ultimately I think the Chiefs kept their RBs out of pass blocking situations by necessity as much as design. They just weren't very good at it so why set them up to fail?

I'd like to see a significant improvement in what we've gotten there of late. If the dude isn't a credible threat as a pass blocker then you kinda have an idea what you'll need to do to address him. But if there's as good a chance that he'll stay in and block as there is that he'll go into the pattern, it makes you a little more reticent to blitz. And if that's going to be the case, he's gonna need to be a good run blocker.

But he's a sturdy guy who shouldn't lose the leverage battle often. He has enough mass and want to. The technique is easy enough to teach since you're really just trying to slow a guy up rather than stonewall him (JC was able to learn it and he's smaller than CEH and as sharp as a hammer).

I don't think there's any benefit to hand-waiving it. Predictability is a bad thing and if he's routinely out in the pattern because he's an unreliable blocker, that's just one more thing that DCs will be able to use as a static point when trying to gameplan.
__________________
"If there's a god, he's laughing at us.....and our football team..."

"When you look at something through rose colored glasses, all the red flags just look like flags."
Posts: 63,696
DJ's left nut is obviously part of the inner Circle.DJ's left nut is obviously part of the inner Circle.DJ's left nut is obviously part of the inner Circle.DJ's left nut is obviously part of the inner Circle.DJ's left nut is obviously part of the inner Circle.DJ's left nut is obviously part of the inner Circle.DJ's left nut is obviously part of the inner Circle.DJ's left nut is obviously part of the inner Circle.DJ's left nut is obviously part of the inner Circle.DJ's left nut is obviously part of the inner Circle.DJ's left nut is obviously part of the inner Circle.
     Reply With Quote
Old 05-20-2020, 10:42 AM   #1270
O.city O.city is offline
In Search of a Life
 
O.city's Avatar
 

Join Date: Jul 2009
Casino cash: $944064
It's something he'll just have to learn. I'm not too worried about it.

Andy's screen game is gonna be optimal with this dude. It's gonna be just hard a shit to handle. You can get Hill and Watkins and Hardman running everyone off to clear space and drop a screen right in behind them. That makes for an easy 15 yard gainer.
Posts: 83,021
O.city is obviously part of the inner Circle.O.city is obviously part of the inner Circle.O.city is obviously part of the inner Circle.O.city is obviously part of the inner Circle.O.city is obviously part of the inner Circle.O.city is obviously part of the inner Circle.O.city is obviously part of the inner Circle.O.city is obviously part of the inner Circle.O.city is obviously part of the inner Circle.O.city is obviously part of the inner Circle.O.city is obviously part of the inner Circle.
     Reply With Quote
Old 05-20-2020, 10:46 AM   #1271
DJ's left nut DJ's left nut is online now
Sauntering Vaguely Downwards
 
DJ's left nut's Avatar
 

Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Columbia, Mo
Casino cash: $919099
Quote:
Originally Posted by O.city View Post
It's something he'll just have to learn. I'm not too worried about it.

Andy's screen game is gonna be optimal with this dude. It's gonna be just hard a shit to handle. You can get Hill and Watkins and Hardman running everyone off to clear space and drop a screen right in behind them. That makes for an easy 15 yard gainer.
I'm inclined to agree with you. I'm just saying we shouldn't just say it won't matter.

And yeah, I feel like we've shelved the RB screen game since we lost Charles. Even Hunt didn't seem to get all that much run there. And Andy is just a wizard when it comes to screen design.

He can do some really cool shit with the screen game and even that would be improved if you can put CEH having some nice pass rush reps on paper. If there's a higher chance of him staying in to block, then that delay he takes in the middle of the formation before sneaking out for an inside screen makes sense. You're not telegraphing it at that point and Mahomes can just flip that ball up and over the line with 15 yards of green and a convoy in front of CEH (because afterall, the rest of the weapons will mean you can't pack the box).
__________________
"If there's a god, he's laughing at us.....and our football team..."

"When you look at something through rose colored glasses, all the red flags just look like flags."
Posts: 63,696
DJ's left nut is obviously part of the inner Circle.DJ's left nut is obviously part of the inner Circle.DJ's left nut is obviously part of the inner Circle.DJ's left nut is obviously part of the inner Circle.DJ's left nut is obviously part of the inner Circle.DJ's left nut is obviously part of the inner Circle.DJ's left nut is obviously part of the inner Circle.DJ's left nut is obviously part of the inner Circle.DJ's left nut is obviously part of the inner Circle.DJ's left nut is obviously part of the inner Circle.DJ's left nut is obviously part of the inner Circle.
     Reply With Quote
Old 05-20-2020, 10:47 AM   #1272
staylor26 staylor26 is offline
In Search of a Life
 
staylor26's Avatar
 

Join Date: Oct 2007
Casino cash: $-330960
Quote:
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut View Post
Eh.

If it gives Mahomes another 1/2 second to find Hill, Kelce, Watkins or Hardman, it's a fine use of your RB.

Ultimately I think the Chiefs kept their RBs out of pass blocking situations by necessity as much as design. They just weren't very good at it so why set them up to fail?

I'd like to see a significant improvement in what we've gotten there of late. If the dude isn't a credible threat as a pass blocker then you kinda have an idea what you'll need to do to address him. But if there's as good a chance that he'll stay in and block as there is that he'll go into the pattern, it makes you a little more reticent to blitz. And if that's going to be the case, he's gonna need to be a good run blocker.

But he's a sturdy guy who shouldn't lose the leverage battle often. He has enough mass and want to. The technique is easy enough to teach since you're really just trying to slow a guy up rather than stonewall him (JC was able to learn it and he's smaller than CEH and as sharp as a hammer).

I don't think there's any benefit to hand-waiving it. Predictability is a bad thing and if he's routinely out in the pattern because he's an unreliable blocker, that's just one more thing that DCs will be able to use as a static point when trying to gameplan.
I’m not saying don’t ever leave him in to block. I’m saying if you are leaving him in to block often it’s a waste of his talent. I don’t see how you can argue that it’s not.

I mean, look at the teams at the bottom of that list. Teams with good receiving backs like the Chiefs, Chargers, Texans etc. clearly agree.
Posts: 51,034
staylor26 is obviously part of the inner Circle.staylor26 is obviously part of the inner Circle.staylor26 is obviously part of the inner Circle.staylor26 is obviously part of the inner Circle.staylor26 is obviously part of the inner Circle.staylor26 is obviously part of the inner Circle.staylor26 is obviously part of the inner Circle.staylor26 is obviously part of the inner Circle.staylor26 is obviously part of the inner Circle.staylor26 is obviously part of the inner Circle.staylor26 is obviously part of the inner Circle.
     Reply With Quote
Old 05-20-2020, 10:55 AM   #1273
DJ's left nut DJ's left nut is online now
Sauntering Vaguely Downwards
 
DJ's left nut's Avatar
 

Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Columbia, Mo
Casino cash: $919099
Quote:
Originally Posted by staylor26 View Post
I’m not saying don’t ever leave him in to block. I’m saying if you are leaving him in to block often it’s a waste of his talent. I don’t see how you can argue that it’s not.

I mean, look at the teams at the bottom of that list. Teams with good receiving backs like the Chiefs, Charger, Texans etc. clearly agree.
But nobody has the opportunity cost associated with a throw to the RB that the Chiefs do.

Any throw to CEH is at the expense of a target to a guy that's just more dangerous. And that's not a slight on CEH, it's a statement as to how dangerous the rest of the skill position players are. And frankly, those teams don't have nearly as important a guy to protect back there either. Not even the Texans (who are coached by a mouth-breathing idiot, so I'm not sure I'd lean to heavily into anything they do).

We had people advocating for a 1st round Center because "you have to protect the franchise!" - the idea being that anything to keep Mahomes upright is worthwhile. If keeping him in, say, 18-20% of the time yields a less predictable offense while getting Mahomes hit a couple times/gm less, I don't think that's a waste of his talent at all.

You're trading off some production from CEH in exchange for protecting your crown jewel and creating a little more production for higher efficiency downfield targets.

I don't think the Chiefs need to be leading the league there by any means, but I also don't think I want them in the bottom 1/3 either.
__________________
"If there's a god, he's laughing at us.....and our football team..."

"When you look at something through rose colored glasses, all the red flags just look like flags."
Posts: 63,696
DJ's left nut is obviously part of the inner Circle.DJ's left nut is obviously part of the inner Circle.DJ's left nut is obviously part of the inner Circle.DJ's left nut is obviously part of the inner Circle.DJ's left nut is obviously part of the inner Circle.DJ's left nut is obviously part of the inner Circle.DJ's left nut is obviously part of the inner Circle.DJ's left nut is obviously part of the inner Circle.DJ's left nut is obviously part of the inner Circle.DJ's left nut is obviously part of the inner Circle.DJ's left nut is obviously part of the inner Circle.
     Reply With Quote
Old 05-20-2020, 12:33 PM   #1274
Dante84 Dante84 is offline
Tossed Salad & Scrambled Eggs
 
Dante84's Avatar
 

Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: ATX & OPKS
Casino cash: $-288004
VARSITY
Quote:
Originally Posted by O.city View Post
It's something he'll just have to learn. I'm not too worried about it.

Andy's screen game is gonna be optimal with this dude. It's gonna be just hard a shit to handle. You can get Hill and Watkins and Hardman running everyone off to clear space and drop a screen right in behind them. That makes for an easy 15 yard gainer.
I'm excited for the fake screens.

You know, where they are so worried about the dump off that the defense scrambles as Mahomes sets up for the drop off, only to pump fake and then look deep to Hardman or Tyreek.
__________________
..
Posts: 20,129
Dante84 is obviously part of the inner Circle.Dante84 is obviously part of the inner Circle.Dante84 is obviously part of the inner Circle.Dante84 is obviously part of the inner Circle.Dante84 is obviously part of the inner Circle.Dante84 is obviously part of the inner Circle.Dante84 is obviously part of the inner Circle.Dante84 is obviously part of the inner Circle.Dante84 is obviously part of the inner Circle.Dante84 is obviously part of the inner Circle.Dante84 is obviously part of the inner Circle.
     Reply With Quote
Old 05-20-2020, 12:54 PM   #1275
ThaVirus ThaVirus is online now
Grand champ
 
ThaVirus's Avatar
 

Join Date: Sep 2007
Casino cash: $-37631
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dante84 View Post
I'm excited for the fake screens.

You know, where they are so worried about the dump off that the defense scrambles as Mahomes sets up for the drop off, only to pump fake and then look deep to Hardman or Tyreek.
Maybe I'm just drawing a blank, but does Andy run any type of fake screens? I don't remember seeing any.
Posts: 45,778
ThaVirus is obviously part of the inner Circle.ThaVirus is obviously part of the inner Circle.ThaVirus is obviously part of the inner Circle.ThaVirus is obviously part of the inner Circle.ThaVirus is obviously part of the inner Circle.ThaVirus is obviously part of the inner Circle.ThaVirus is obviously part of the inner Circle.ThaVirus is obviously part of the inner Circle.ThaVirus is obviously part of the inner Circle.ThaVirus is obviously part of the inner Circle.ThaVirus is obviously part of the inner Circle.
     Reply With Quote
Reply
Page 85 of 307 « First 357581828384 85 8687888995135185 Last »

« Previous Thread | > Nzoner's Game Room < | Next Thread »

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Forum Jump




All times are GMT -6. The time now is 07:56 AM.

Contact Us - ChiefsPlanet - Archive - Top

This is a test for a client's site.
Fort Worth Texas Process Servers
Covering Arlington, Fort Worth, Grand Prairie and surrounding communities.
Tarrant County, Texas and Johnson County, Texas.
Advertise with us!
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.