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**KcMizzou** · 07-08-2010, 08:18 PM

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BigCatDaddy · 02-13-2011, 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by CoMoChief

Brock defended himself against Carwin...came back...and won. We've all seen fighters get badly beaten a LOT worse than what Carwin did to Lesnar in the first rd of UFC116.

Not saying he won't lose to Cain again....Cain is a great fighter....Brock should beat Dos Santos though if he can get it to the ground.

But Fedor sucks now....thats obvious. The fighters are just simply bigger, stronger, more athletic and just overall better now.

I think Brock struggles quite a big with JDS. He presents all sorts of problems for a guy like Brock. Great stand up and great take down defense. I actually would pick JDS right now over any HW out there.

TheGuardian · 02-13-2011, 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by CoMoChief

Brock defended himself against Carwin...came back...and won. We've all seen fighters get badly beaten a LOT worse than what Carwin did to Lesnar in the first rd of UFC116.

Not saying he won't lose to Cain again....Cain is a great fighter....Brock should beat Dos Santos though if he can get it to the ground.

But Fedor sucks now....thats obvious. The fighters are just simply bigger, stronger, more athletic and just overall better now.

Lesnar beat a sandgbag in Carwin who punched himself out. That's it. He didn't do anything.

And so what you're saying is, the only chance Brock has against anyone is to get them to the ground.

Thanks for backing up what I said about him all along. He's a pussy that can't take a punch and just relies on laying on guys to win. In other words, he kind of sucks as an MMA fighter. Yeah, I already knew that.

Dos Santos will just look at tape of Cain and Carwin and take the same route. Seeing how Brock can't stand with anyone, as soon as JDS lands that uppercut, this one will be over.

TheGuardian · 02-13-2011, 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

I think Brock struggles quite a big with JDS. He presents all sorts of problems for a guy like Brock. Great stand up and great take down defense. I actually would pick JDS right now over any HW out there.

Over anyone?

Nah. But I do think he beats up Lesnar. He's very very quick on his feet and all he needs to do is the same thing Cain and Carwin did, and stuff his shoot. The only thing I think there is, Cain and Carwin were both long time wrestlers and are adapt at dealing with that, where JDS won't be. But if he keeps it standing, it won't get out of the first because he'll pummel Lesnar.

TheGuardian · 02-13-2011, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by RedNeckRaider

I understand it is different and maybe I am used to watching boxers who only defend against fists. I am amazed there are not people killed in MMA. They put pillows on boxers hands for a reason. Men still get killed from time to time~

Actually, those pillows are a big reason why people die. If you put the small gloves on boxers you'd have less injury because guys go down faster. But with the extra padding guys take blow after blow after blow. It's the opposite of what you think. There is a cumulative effect that goes on with that.

A guy takes a shot to the chin in MMA, he's out. He takes one in boxing lots of times he's ok. MMA is never going to have the history of death and brain damage boxing does because it's over quick and guys don't take a pounding to their brain for 12-15 rounds year after year.

BigCatDaddy · 02-13-2011, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by TheGuardian

Over anyone?

Nah. But I do think he beats up Lesnar. He's very very quick on his feet and all he needs to do is the same thing Cain and Carwin did, and stuff his shoot. The only thing I think there is, Cain and Carwin were both long time wrestlers and are adapt at dealing with that, where JDS won't be. But if he keeps it standing, it won't get out of the first because he'll pummel Lesnar.

Yep, I'm a huge fan of the guy so I'm maybe a little biased, but I would pick over Cain and Carwin as well. JDS has good, but not great size at 240, but seems to be a step quicker then most HW's so I think he has no trouble avoiding take downs from anyone. I think he does to most HW's what Edgar was able to do to Penn.

TheGuardian · 02-13-2011, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

Yep, I'm a huge fan of the guy so I'm maybe a little biased, but I would pick over Cain and Carwin as well. JDS has good, but not great size at 240, but seems to be a step quicker then most HW's so I think he has no trouble avoiding take downs from anyone. I think he does to most HW's what Edgar was able to do to Penn.

I honestly think that there is no such thing as a HW with real great cardio at 265+ like Carwin and Lesnar. Lesnar gassed in the first round against Cain, and of course CArwin gassed beating Brock's head in.

You look at guys like Cain and JDS and they can GO. Good gas tanks and that's a BIG part of fighting at an elite level. I think this thing where we were going to have a bunch of 280 monsters running around isn't going to happen. IT takes too much oxygen to power that much muscle mass, so guys will never have big gas tanks. I think 240 and maybe 250 for some guys will be it. Reem is closer to 260, but he's also 6'5". If he were 6'1" or 6'2" you can say he'd be the 240ish that Cain and JDS are, if you get what I'm saying.

240 is plenty big. With a guy like Lesnar JDS just has to stuff his shoot and the fight is over.

Jerm · 02-13-2011, 10:36 AM

Sadly Fedor is where Chuck Liddell was a year ago...diminished skills, the aura is gone, and simply no one is afraid of him anymore.

Hopefully he just retires now instead of trying to keep some false hope like Chuck did.

**RNR** · 02-13-2011, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by TheGuardian

Actually, those pillows are a big reason why people die. If you put the small gloves on boxers you'd have less injury because guys go down faster. But with the extra padding guys take blow after blow after blow. It's the opposite of what you think. There is a cumulative effect that goes on with that.

A guy takes a shot to the chin in MMA, he's out. He takes one in boxing lots of times he's ok. MMA is never going to have the history of death and brain damage boxing does because it's over quick and guys don't take a pounding to their brain for 12-15 rounds year after year.

That makes sense~

**SAUTO** · 02-13-2011, 10:43 AM

If anyone watched that fight and thinks that all fedor does or every did is throw haymakers they don't know what they are seeing.

He escaped submissions that would have put most away in both of his last two fights, that alone should show the skills that he had.

He's lost a couple of steps but has been through WARS. All the former pride guys have.

Some here just don't know what they missed on that front.
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**SAUTO** · 02-13-2011, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by RedNeckRaider

That makes sense~

And all correct.
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**SAUTO** · 02-13-2011, 10:48 AM

All in all disappointment aside it was a pretty good night of fights.
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TheGuardian · 02-13-2011, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

If anyone watched that fight and thinks that all fedor does or every did is throw haymakers they don't know what they are seeing.

He escaped submissions that would have put most away in both of his last two fights, that alone should show the skills that he had.

He's lost a couple of steps but has been through WARS. All the former pride guys have.

Some here just don't know what they missed on that front.
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Fedor's survival of that second round is ****ing unreal. Anyone who is saying shit like Lesnar would eat Fedor or that he sucks is a ****ing moron. There isn't a single other fighter I know of that could have even made it out of that round.

I honestly believe that had it gone to the 3rd he would have won it. That's classic Fedor.

And yeah Jason the fights were awesome top to bottom despite an anticlimatic ending.

I'm pulling for the Reem from here on out.

Jerm · 02-13-2011, 12:04 PM

How Fedor got out of that arm triangle I still don't know...thought for sure that was the end. Crazy.

Strikeforce better hope Werdum doesn't upset Overeem...if that happens...ruh roh.

Pants · 02-13-2011, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by TheGuardian

Fedor's survival of that second round is ****ing unreal. Anyone who is saying shit like Lesnar would eat Fedor or that he sucks is a ****ing moron. There isn't a single other fighter I know of that could have even made it out of that round.

I honestly believe that had it gone to the 3rd he would have won it. That's classic Fedor.

And yeah Jason the fights were awesome top to bottom despite an anticlimatic ending.

I'm pulling for the Reem from here on out.

Silva was ****ing gased after the longest submission attempt ever. If Fedor's eye wasn't completely shut, I also think Fedor would have taken him out in the 3rd. I have no idea how Fedor remained conscious, his head was completely ****ing purple. Dude is just unbelievable. I can't believe he escaped the knee bar in the end and actually tried to submit Silva, lol. Incredible.

**Shogun** · 02-13-2011, 12:57 PM

CoMochief is a moron

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02-13-2011, 10:36 AM	#1267
Jerm Mahomes > God Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Clinton, MO Casino cash: $4898996	Sadly Fedor is where Chuck Liddell was a year ago...diminished skills, the aura is gone, and simply no one is afraid of him anymore. Hopefully he just retires now instead of trying to keep some false hope like Chuck did.
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02-13-2011, 10:43 AM	#1269
SAUTO Shit Join Date: Jun 2008 Casino cash: $10039067	If anyone watched that fight and thinks that all fedor does or every did is throw haymakers they don't know what they are seeing. He escaped submissions that would have put most away in both of his last two fights, that alone should show the skills that he had. He's lost a couple of steps but has been through WARS. All the former pride guys have. Some here just don't know what they missed on that front. Posted via Mobile Device
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02-13-2011, 10:48 AM	#1271
SAUTO Shit Join Date: Jun 2008 Casino cash: $10039067	All in all disappointment aside it was a pretty good night of fights. Posted via Mobile Device
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02-13-2011, 12:04 PM	#1273
Jerm Mahomes > God Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Clinton, MO Casino cash: $4898996	How Fedor got out of that arm triangle I still don't know...thought for sure that was the end. Crazy. Strikeforce better hope Werdum doesn't upset Overeem...if that happens...ruh roh.
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