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Old 05-15-2020, 10:51 AM   #1246
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You're probably right about it being Darwin Thompson and not Damien Williams.
Darwin Award Thompson should never see the field again as a Chief.

Williams has a ton of talent, which is why he became the starting back at Oklahoma and spent four years with the Dolphins after being signed as an undrafted free agent but unfortunately, the man just can't stay healthy.
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Old 05-15-2020, 11:05 AM   #1247
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I’m pretty sure Mahomes overthrew him or something. Can’t remember exactly, but I remember it being on Mahomes.
My memory was that they weren't on the same page. I think Mahomes was expecting him to take the route toward the flag and Williams had flattened it out.

Happened with Kelce a few times as well and I don't see arguments that Kelce is an indifferent receiver.

Just not a fair argument, IMO.
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Old 05-15-2020, 11:11 AM   #1248
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I’m pretty sure Mahomes overthrew him or something. Can’t remember exactly, but I remember it being on Mahomes.
I have a couple memories. They could be fudged, but one is the overthrow. From my memory, that was down the right side of the field. I felt like it was either a Pat overthrow or they just weren't on the same page. Possible missed opportunity but I wasn't upset about that one.

The one I'm thinking of was also in the back of the end zone, but to the left side of the field to Mahomes. Maybe left of center. That one was dropped in to Williams' hands perfectly and the defender was able to reach in at the last second and knock it out because Williams didn't bother to secure it.

I'm signing up for GamePass now because I'm curious if my brain just made up some shit to be pissed about. I'm having technical difficulties but I'll report back when I get to the bottom of this.
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I’m pretty sure Mahomes overthrew him or something. Can’t remember exactly, but I remember it being on Mahomes.
Weirdly, the same exact play happened in the 2018 AFCCG and the 2019 Super Bowl (those games are reduxes of each other).

Patrick missed the one against the Patriots, then took a hero ball sack that knocked the Chiefs out of field goal range.

Williams missed the one against the 49ers, but Patrick threw the next passes away under duress and settled for three.

Williams has taken a lot of heat for the Super Bowl miss (he couldn’t find the ball). It was honestly his only off play of the Super Bowl, and it’s odd that he’s taken as much heat for it as he has (especially since he was basically our co-MVP the rest of the game). As a point of comparison, no one has dogged Kelce for his 2 piss easy drops against the Texans (as they shouldn’t. If you add the PI’s - how many yards did Kelce account for in that game - 170? With 3 TD’s?)
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Weirdly, the same exact play happened in the 2018 AFCCG and the 2019 Super Bowl (those games are reduxes of each other).

Patrick missed the one against the Patriots, then took a hero ball sack that knocked the Chiefs out of field goal range.

Williams missed the one against the 49ers, but Patrick threw the next passes away under duress and settled for three.

Williams has taken a lot of heat for the Super Bowl miss (he couldn’t find the ball). It was honestly his only off play of the Super Bowl, and it’s odd that he’s taken as much heat for it as he has (especially since he was basically our co-MVP the rest of the game). As a point of comparison, no one has dogged Kelce for his 2 piss easy drops against the Texans.
I've never seen a team play tighter than KC played in that 1st quarter against Texas.

3 drops on 3rd down? Did they end up with 4 by the end of the half?

Kelce had 2, Robinson had 1 and I think he actually had 2.

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Those were both excellent catches, no doubt. I am not saying he can't catch the ball out of the backfield. When Mahomes puts the ball right on him, he catches it. I was saying that after each of the plays where he didn't catch the passes in the end zone, Mahomes looked very frustrated with Williams.

I originally said that I believe that is why Mahomes and Reid may have targeted CEH in the draft, because if they were completely satisfied with Williams, the team would have probably looked to fill a different position.

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Was this maybe one of them?



Looks like Williams was interfered with to me. Ran a fine route, got separation and tried to make a play on the ball but the defender got into his body and kinda pulled his arms down.

And if he didn't, still didn't look like any kind of effort/communication problem. That's not an easy catch with a guy coming over your back for even a WR to make. The focus and hand/eye coordination required to track that ball all the way is pretty intense.
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Was this maybe one of them?







Looks like Williams was interfered with to me. Ran a fine route, got separation and tried to make a play on the ball but the defender got into his body and kinda pulled his arms down.



And if he didn't, still didn't look like any kind of effort/communication problem. That's not an easy catch with a guy coming over your back for even a WR to make. The focus and hand/eye coordination required to track that ball all the way is pretty intense.
No, that was not one of them. They were all in the right corner. When I review the all-22, I usually just take notes for myself, because I am just an average fan who never played, but has studied the game for over 30 years. And because I never played I usually keep those notes for myself unless I notice something specific.

Like, in the 2018 season when Watkins was out injured, versus when he was in the game but not getting the ball, it was very obvious how much he influenced the defense even when he wasn't getting the ball. So, I said so in some threads.

The only reason I said something about these 3 plays is because when a player misses on a play in almost the exact same way, it sticks out. The play in the SB was the 3rd of those plays.

And I know he said he didn't see the ball, but to me he just made a poor effort, kinda easing up after getting held. Was he grabbed? Yeah, but I still think he should have caught the ball. I know that may sound harsh, but because I had seen the previous plays where he made poor efforts in that same part of the end zone, I didn't give him the benefit of the doubt.

But, I threw away my notes because none of that matters at all anymore because we won the Super Bowl! I didn't mean to start any shit, I was just speculating as to why they targeted a pass catching specialist at the running back position. I am in no way saying that CEH is just a pass catcher, I think he is a complete player and an absolute home run of a draft pick.

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Was this maybe one of them?



Looks like Williams was interfered with to me. Ran a fine route, got separation and tried to make a play on the ball but the defender got into his body and kinda pulled his arms down.

And if he didn't, still didn't look like any kind of effort/communication problem. That's not an easy catch with a guy coming over your back for even a WR to make. The focus and hand/eye coordination required to track that ball all the way is pretty intense.
This is the play I was misremembering lol

I just watched the broadcast version on GamePass (that shit is awesome, by the way) and Williams comes off as too nonchalant for me. It was good defense, for sure, but I felt Damien too casually extended his arms for the catch. Looks like he short arms it a bit.

Didn't like the look of it.
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This is the play I was misremembering lol

I just watched the broadcast version on GamePass (that shit is awesome, by the way) and Williams comes off as too nonchalant for me. It was good defense, for sure, but I felt Damien too casually extended his arms for the catch. Looks like he short arms it a bit.

Didn't like the look of it.
Well we all have our own version of events, I suppose.

Looks to me like he was making a play on the ball, the contact put his balance off and he tried to make a lunge for the ball while also using his arms to keep from eating shit outright.

That was gonna take an play that I just don't think you can expect any RB to make. Most WRs struggle to control their body well enough to corral that guy.

Maybe if he lays out for it to try to get just a little more separation and let him turn into the ball he can snag it, but again - dude's still a runningback. And being a good pass catching back still doesn't make him a great wide receiver. Ain't a lot of Marshall Faulk sorts out there with the ability to play tailback OR slot receiver.
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