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Old 04-26-2024, 07:20 PM  
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Old 12-19-2024, 10:31 AM   #1231
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None of that is speed. He overset to get teh speed part and got beat inside.
Guys just got to get his hands and feet on the same page while pass setting. I'm not overly worried about him getting there. He's stupid young and super green. He's actually probably more raw and polished against similar competition as Fisher when he was drafted.
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Old 12-19-2024, 12:33 PM   #1232
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All of you wanting Cam Robinson will be severely disappointed when you realize he's nearly as bad as Wanya Morris. He's not the baseline you want to go after.
Cam Robinson has been thriving since arriving in Minnesota, while Wanya was benched for his shitty play… but keep believing your own bullshit.
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Old 12-19-2024, 01:42 PM   #1233
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This.

Even with Morris, you'll see plays or flashes where he's solid. With Kingsley it looks like he's never even played football before in his life.

He's the worst LT, rookie or otherwise, I've ever seen.
You know this means absolutely nothing to most people. Probably the second hardest position to hit on in the draft. He looked bad in 2 starts that he was probably nowhere near ready to start. Wanya was hurt and Andy took a chance it didn't work. Now if your a fan you hope he takes the coaching and show much improvement next season. I remember a 1st round lt tackle that was so bad they moved him to RT. In the second year, he looked like a different player by the third year, he was a top 10 LT easily.
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Old 12-19-2024, 01:48 PM   #1234
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You know this means absolutely nothing to most people. Probably the second hardest position to hit on in the draft. He looked bad in 2 starts that he was probably nowhere near ready to start. Wanya was hurt and Andy took a chance it didn't work. Now if your a fan you hope he takes the coaching and show much improvement next season. I remember a 1st round lt tackle that was so bad they moved him to RT. In the second year, he looked like a different player by the third year, he was a top 10 LT easily.
He looked fine, as good as Morris, against Baltimore. Cincy absolutely pushed his shit in and had his head spinning. Tackles take time to develop, hell we just saw Chris Jones put Joe Alt in a blender a few times and he's about as pro ready as any prospect has ever been.
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Cam Robinson has been thriving since arriving in Minnesota, while Wanya was benched for his shitty play… but keep believing your own bullshit.
Thriving? He's had two less penalties than Jawaan Taylor and his are more for holds not formation bullshit or false starts. He's not what you think he is.
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Once tape is out on your weakness in the NFL it’s going to be pounded to oblivion by opposing teams until you’ve shown you can overcome it. The swim move that kills Morris and the ghost Blitz that spooked Patrick out the pocket are great examples here.

Kingsley was just completely unable to solve his weaknesses against the speed rush once they were out on tape.
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Once tape is out on your weakness in the NFL it’s going to be pounded to oblivion by opposing teams until you’ve shown you can overcome it. The swim move that kills Morris and the ghost Blitz that spooked Patrick out the pocket are great examples here.

Kingsley was just completely unable to solve his weaknesses against the speed rush once they were out on tape.
I think the games too fast for Kingsley. Its not all muscle memory for him yet. He's reading, thinking then reacting. And that wont cut it in the NFL. An off season of training should get his coordination and reflexes lined out.

As for Mahomes what's killing us is the stunts where guys threaten the LT then loop back to get Mahomes when he's trying to run. We've got to figure that out. I don't know if we need better check downs or if he just needs to trust the guys in the routes to win and be where they need to be.
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Thriving? He's had two less penalties than Jawaan Taylor and his are more for holds not formation bullshit or false starts. He's not what you think he is.
How is he compared to Wanya Morris… who was benched for a guy who hadn’t played in a year and then a career guard?
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How is he compared to Wanya Morris… who was benched for a guy who hadn’t played in a year and then a career guard?
Better yes. But Robinson is projected to be making almost exactly 20x more. Wanya shouldn't be a starting left tackle. No ones arguing that.

Wanya 33 pressures/5 sacks. Robinson 35 pressures and 5 sacks.

Robinson gets a little leash because he changed teams mid season and that's no doubt a challenge. But once again I'm telling you Robinson is not what you think he is.

I'd prefer to pay more for someone better. Robinson might actually be a down grade from moving Jawaan to the left side. Robinson weighs what Orland Brown Jr does but is 3" shorter. He does have the same length arms though so maybe he can push guys up the arc similarly.

Numbers taken from PFF. Arguably both have played with about equal QB play this year.
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Better yes. But Robinson is projected to be making almost exactly 20x more. Wanya shouldn't be a starting left tackle. No ones arguing that.

Wanya 33 pressures/5 sacks. Robinson 35 pressures and 5 sacks.

Robinson gets a little leash because he changed teams mid season and that's no doubt a challenge. But once again I'm telling you Robinson is not what you think he is.

I'd prefer to pay more for someone better. Robinson might actually be a down grade from moving Jawaan to the left side. Robinson weighs what Orland Brown Jr does but is 3" shorter. He does have the same length arms though so maybe he can push guys up the arc similarly.

Numbers taken from PFF. Arguably both have played with about equal QB play this year.
No one is saying that Cam Robinson is elite.

Mahomes has proven he doesn’t need elite LT’s to succeed.

Eric Fisher, OBJ… Cam Robinson is among that caliber of player.

Kingsley/Wanya are not currently NFL-caliber LT’s.
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Thought on Kingsley yesterday? I thought he looked ok at guard. It sucks that he’s not going to be the LTOTF but he may be the answer at one of the guard spots when Thuney retires or if Trey leaves in FA.
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Thought on Kingsley yesterday? I thought he looked ok at guard. It sucks that he’s not going to be the LTOTF but he may be the answer at one of the guard spots when Thuney retires or if Trey leaves in FA.
I know you can’t hit on every pick but the strategy of accepting mediocrity because you made a mistake with a high draft pick never made sense. Expecting much from the line yesterday was probably foolhardy but saying we’re going to replace Trey Smith with Kingsley just because he’s a second round pick just repeats the kind of mistake they made with Skyy Moore that took half a season and a bunch of losses to finally accept. Testing him out in a meaningless game is fine (and from the accounts of others it appears the Wanya Morris at RT experiment may work out), but don’t make the guy a starter if he can’t do the job.
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Thought on Kingsley yesterday? I thought he looked ok at guard. It sucks that he’s not going to be the LTOTF but he may be the answer at one of the guard spots when Thuney retires or if Trey leaves in FA.
I thought he looked pretty solid. Looked lost on the sack the Broncos recorded against Oladukon. Think he should have been helping Humphries with the wide set DE.

I'm not giving up on Suamataia as a player for KC. He's young and raw, but you can see the ability.
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No one is saying that Cam Robinson is elite.

Mahomes has proven he doesn’t need elite LT’s to succeed.

Eric Fisher, OBJ… Cam Robinson is among that caliber of player.

Kingsley/Wanya are not currently NFL-caliber LT’s.
Are you fine paying Cam Robinson Jawaan Taylor money?
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Are you fine paying Cam Robinson Jawaan Taylor money?
Exactly. It's a panic move, nothing more.
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