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Old 06-22-2017, 02:12 PM  
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Dorsey gone?
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Old 06-23-2017, 11:40 AM   #1201
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NFL live speculating that Dorsey was fired because of some bad deals he's made and also beating Reid wouldn't sign a extension without knowing who the gm is going to be. They keep bringing up Brett Veach
Way less plausible than poontang
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Old 06-23-2017, 11:41 AM   #1202
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According to my source, this has not registered a bit on Packers Planet.
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Old 06-23-2017, 11:43 AM   #1203
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As some know, I used to work for a company that had a sponship with the Chiefs. Owner has been a STH for decades and has been at events with Clark many times, including the one where I briefly met Scooter Poole.

I don't work there anymore but I know people that do and just text them to ask what the owner of the company is hearing through the grapevine.
Just got a text back. Here is what is going through the grapevine from people in the know.

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(Owners name) told us today that he's heard that the Dorsey/Hunt relationship has really sizzled. First off, anyone like Kietzman saying anything about Mahomes is a lie. Everybody loved him and Andy knew full well that he had work to do with him, so don't believe anything about Mahomes being a factor in this decision.
The GB issue was part of this factor. Clark knows that Dorsey has friends in GB and still talks to them all the time. When this rumor came out, Clark confronted Dorsey about this in his weekly meeting with him. Dorsey reiterated that this was his dream job, but that that was something he used to want when he was in GB. Clark wasn't too happy about that but was okay with offering a deal that would show loyalty here.

Contracts were a big problem in Clark's mind, and he didn't like how we kept having these bad deals with bad cap moves. Clark was not happy at all about how the Eric Berry situation unfolded. That situation got so bad last year that Eric Berry would not speak to Dorsey. He avoided him throughout the season and didn't want to have anything to do with him for a long time. This was due to the insurance fiasco. If it wasn't for Clark, Berry wouldn't have signed. Andy and Clark had to step in and help get that signing done bc of the animosity from Berry, his family and agent to Dorsey.
This led Clark to do a complete root cause analysis of the entire management in personnel. Normally this wouldn't happen because of the great success we've had.

It was no secret that Clark didn't like some of the contracts that were given out and the way they were formulated. Dorsey acknowledged this and fired Trip McCracken while hiring his new guy.

In regards to your question about Andy being on edge-
This was because of players missing OTA's. It's usually normal, but Eric Berry apparently told Andy he needed more time away because he was still upset about the contract drama.
This led to Andy snapping at the media.
Andy and Clark were furious at Dorsey for how he handled Maclin's release. Maclin was enraged about what happened. Andy initially wanted to have a man-to-man talk about this. What happened happened and Andy called Maclin right after to talk to him.
Mark Donovan was pissed off about the bad publicity that came from Maclin's release.

Finally, Clark was okay with giving Dorsey another chance with a new cap strategist, but Dorsey wasn't pleased with the dollars he was getting. Clark was not happy about this because he had just stepped in to do Dorsey's job and sign Berry. Adding in the contract missteps and GB drama to this situation made this easy for Clark.

Brett Veach is the obvious favorite for GM. We'll have some external candidates come in but it would have to be a slam dunk candidate to make them pass on Veach.
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Old 06-23-2017, 11:44 AM   #1204
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Dorsey had plenty of opportunities to leave Green Bay (including the Colts) but only left when offered the Chiefs gig.

I don't think he'll take just any job and his options will be few next year.

I'd be absolutely shocked to see him take the Los Angeles Chargers or Rams gigs (if they're open, which is possible) because he doesn't seem like a guy that wants to be the center of attention in a city with 10 million people (especially when no one cares about the Chargers). Same for the Jets gig.

So, he's not going to the AFC East, North, South or West. He's not going to the NFC East or NFC West. I suppose it's remotely possible that he goes to the Saints and possible that he goes to the Vikings (if they clean house) or the Bears (which is a team that's very likely to clean house).

So, Saints, Vikings and Bears, two teams which compete directly against Green Bay, the same franchise in which he was drafted, served as a scout and Director.

Does anyone truly think that Green Bay wouldn't hire him to succeed Thompson, when they'd face Dorsey year in and year out for a decade or more?
It ISN'T a logical conclusion. It isn't logical.

You do not pass on a lifetime of financial security and stability for a young family because of a CHANCE to get a job that you're probably 3rd in line for.

That's not logical at all.
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Old 06-23-2017, 11:45 AM   #1205
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I'm not going to speculate about anything other than his performance as a GM, which was exemplary, so the only conclusion that makes any sense is the escape clause.
It surprises me how many other theories there are that aren't this.

Makes all the sense in the world to me that Clark would rather fill the role now and not as soon as the season is over next year.

Firing him now cost him millions of dollars...
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Old 06-23-2017, 11:46 AM   #1206
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I think this comes down to this team wont be manageable going forward unless we bring in a guy capable of managing cap space appropriately. .
Every NFL team has someone in addition to the GM who is a cap guru. That's their job. KC replaced their cap guy last month. Shea is the new guy.
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Old 06-23-2017, 11:48 AM   #1207
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Just got a text back. Here is what is going through the grapevine from people in the know.
Even if any of that is true, it's still an idiotic reason to fire Dorsey.

None of that shit matters as long as Dorsey in bringing in talent that yields a championship level football team.
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Even if any of that is true, it's still an idiotic reason to fire Dorsey.

None of that shit matters as long as Dorsey in bringing in talent that yields a championship level football team.
Exactly
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Old 06-23-2017, 11:51 AM   #1209
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Even if any of that is true, it's still an idiotic reason to fire Dorsey.

None of that shit matters as long as Dorsey in bringing in talent that yields a championship level football team.
I agree with you 100%. I don't like This move at all.
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Old 06-23-2017, 11:53 AM   #1210
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It ISN'T a logical conclusion. It isn't logical.

You do not pass on a lifetime of financial security and stability for a young family because of a CHANCE to get a job that you're probably 3rd in line for.

That's not logical at all.
I think he asked for an out if gb came calling.

After that Clark looked at the cap situation, the berry situation (if true) and things like that svc just decided fyi let him go
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This could've been something really special with Dorsey/Reid/Mahomes

Our only hope is that Veach can be 75% of the personnel guy Dorsey was and Mahomes turns into an elite QB
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Even if any of that is true, it's still an idiotic reason to fire Dorsey.

None of that shit matters as long as Dorsey in bringing in talent that yields a championship level football team.
I don't know. Some of that by itself, yes.
Adding it up there could become a problem. Seems Clark wanted to get out ahead of it before it got to be a big issue. Better hope it works out
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It ISN'T a logical conclusion. It isn't logical.

You do not pass on a lifetime of financial security and stability for a young family because of a CHANCE to get a job that you're probably 3rd in line for.

That's not logical at all.
Bob McGinn, one of the most respected sportswriters in America, wrote a long and detailed piece about Dorsey being the successor in Green Bay.

I don't think that was an accident.
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Just got a text back. Here is what is going through the grapevine from people in the know.
Very logically situation that makes perfect sense.
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Very logically situation that makes perfect sense.
Yeah.

I still don't agree with it, but that's a genuinely 'logical' sequence of events.
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