2025 NFL Draft Simulator Thread - Page 8

Direckshun · 12-04-2024, 10:20 AM

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**Rain Man** · 03-26-2025, 11:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snerd

In the latest episode of "Things That Won't Happen", we bring you this PFN mock draft, where Omarion Hampton falls to the Chiefs at pick 63:

31 Kenneth Grant DL | Michigan
63 Omarion Hampton RB | North Carolina
66 Carson Schwesinger LB | UCLA
95 Jordan Burch Edge | Oregon
133 Logan Brown OT | Kansas
226 Dante Trader Jr. S | Maryland
251 Jason Marshall Jr. CB | Florida
257 Theo Wease Jr. WR | Missouri

I really like the layout of the PFN board, so I play with that one a lot. They've got some randomness built in, which I like. I've run probably 200 iterations, and in one of them Jeanty actually snuck down to the 31 spot. Maybe in that universe he went drag racing with Jalen Carter or something. I went ahead and grabbed him.

RedinTexas · 03-26-2025, 12:45 PM

I tried accepting trades for future draft picks on PFN with the idea that I would use them to trade back up where I wanted, but it's really difficult to trade them in a trade-up. I find it difficult to trade up at all on PFN, but it seems like PFN heavily discounts future picks when analyzing trades.

kccrow · 03-26-2025, 01:15 PM

PFN garbage. Traded down in the 4th to pick up a high 7th.

31.
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Josh Conerly Jr.
OT Oregon
63.
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TreVeyon Henderson
RB Ohio State
66.
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Darius Alexander
DT Toledo
95.
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Chris Paul Jr.
LB Ole Miss
138.
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Elijah Roberts
DT SMU
trade-icon
226.
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Vernon Broughton
DT Texas
227.
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Cody Simon
LB Ohio State
trade-icon
251.
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Shamari Simmons
S Arizona State
257.
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Jordan Watkins
WR Mississippi

RedinTexas · 03-26-2025, 01:20 PM

I ran a 7 round mock on PFN with the goal of trading down from #31 and hoping to pick up a couple of picks in the mid/late 2nd round. On PFN I've seen Walter Nolen fall to that area nearly every time, and if not him, then someone like Kenneth Grant.

Trade picks #31 and #133 to New England for picks #38 and #69.
38 - Walter Nolen, DT
Trade pick #63 to Carolina for #64 and #146
64 - Elic Ayomanor, WR
66 - TJ Sanders, DT
Trade pick #69 and 2026 4th rd pick to New Orleans for #71 and 2026 3rd rd pick
71 - Marcus Mbow, OT
95 - Kevin Winston, S
146 - RJ Harvey, RB
226 - Hunter Wohler, S
251 - Elijah Williams, Edge
257 - Trevor Etienne, RB
2026 - Traded away 4th rounder and picked up New Orleans 3rd rounder

kccrow · 03-26-2025, 01:39 PM

IMHO, Walter Nolen is a better pure prospect than Jalen Carter was coming out. Only reason he's getting any knockdowns is character flags. Carter had them, too, and still went #9. Any dream of Nolen going in the 2nd should be lit on fire and doused in antifreeze.

I'll shit myself if he makes it beyond #13 overall.

RedinTexas · 03-26-2025, 02:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kccrow

IMHO, Walter Nolen is a better pure prospect than Jalen Carter was coming out. Only reason he's getting any knockdowns is character flags. Carter had them, too, and still went #9. Any dream of Nolen going in the 2nd should be lit on fire and doused in antifreeze.

I'll shit myself if he makes it beyond #13 overall.

Yeah, but I can't make the simulator play like I think it should.

RedinTexas · 03-29-2025, 10:46 AM

I've found a way to manipulate the PFN simulator in trades. When proposing a trade the simulator demands a stiff premium and discounts future picks pretty heavily. When the simulator proposes the trade it assumes the premium should go to me, but it doesn't always offer a nice premium. The underlying assumption about who deserves a premium in the trade is still there though.

Furthermore, if you try to counter-offer on the trade the simulator does not delete the original trade offer when it declines your counter-offer. So, you can make many counter-offers as you slowly step up the amounts until you find something the simulator will accept.

Additionally, since the simulator appears to discount future picks pretty heavily, you can make some nice trade-ups in future picks, eg trading a future KC 3rd for the opponent's future 2nd. On top of that it doesn't much mind making trades for future picks in the same round, so when trading with a team that should be worse than the Chiefs, it's easy to add in a KC 1st for their 1st. It looks to me like moving up in next year's draft, but apparently looks to the simulator like a break even deal.

ETA - Yeah, swapping picks in the same round appears to be no problem for the simulator. I was able to trade away all of KC's draft picks in 2026 to Seattle and NYG in exchange for theirs. I ended up with only KC's 7th round pick, but I have the Giants picks in the first 6 rounds. It seems like a pretty significant tradeup to me, but the simulator didn't seem to care.

Couch-Potato · 03-29-2025, 02:35 PM

Let’s secure the trenches mock

31.
Josh Simmons
OT Ohio State

63.
Tate Ratledge
OG Georgia

66.
Alfred Collins
DT Texas

95.
Jordan Burch
EDGE Oregon

133.
David Walker
EDGE Central Arkansas

226.
Raheim Sanders
RB South Carolina

251.
Theo Wease Jr.
WR Missouri

257.
O’Donnell Fortune
CB South Carolina

Couch-Potato · 03-31-2025, 03:52 PM

ESPN

Round 1, Pick 31
Josh Conerly Jr.
Oregon
OT

Round 2, Pick 63
TreVeyon Henderson
Ohio State
RB

Round 3, Pick 66
JT Tuimoloau
Ohio State
EDGE

Round 3, Pick 95
Tate Ratledge
Georgia
C/G

Round 4, Pick 133
Kyle Williams
Washington St.
WR

Round 7, Pick 226
Cody Lindenberg
Minnesota
LB

Round 7, Pick 251
O'Donnell Fortune
South Carolina
CB

Round 7, Pick 257
Yahya Black
Iowa
DT

This would be awesome!

kccrow · 03-31-2025, 10:33 PM

Starting to appreciate these more to play with scenarios than worry as much about them probably being way off on rankings. Kudos for adding the ESPN one to the mix. It seems to suck about as much shit as the rest, was hoping it'd be a tad better. But maybe there will be hope for it.

The one I did with that is:
1-31 - Derrick Harmon, DT, Oregon
2-63 - Carson Schwesinger, LB, UCLA
3-66 - Jaylin Noel, WR, Iowa State
3-95 - Cam Skattebo, RB, Arizona State
4-133 - Kyle Kennard, DE, South Carolina
7-226 - Dorian Strong, CB, Virginia Tech
7-251 - Shamari Simmons, DB, Arizona State
7-256 - Jay Toia, DT, UCLA

el borracho · 04-01-2025, 10:33 AM

PFN with trades and somehow Mike Green still available at 50... we should be so lucky

50. Mike Green Edge
52. Trey Amos Cornerback
63. TJ Sanders Defensive Tackle
66. Quinshon Judkins Running Back
107. Tai Felton Wide Receiver
126. Charles Grant Offensive Tackle

**Bowser** · 04-01-2025, 05:27 PM

Gave the ESPN simulator a whirl. I'll say it's not very realistic that the players that were available for me are going to be available when the draft goes down, but I do like the feature that shows the percentage of that player being available at that pick and the odds they'll be available at your next pick.

31) Derick Harmon - DT, Oregon
44% chance of availability

63) TreVeon Henderson - RB, Ohio State
20% chance

66) Jalen Royals - WR, Utah State
75%

95) Logan Brown - OT, Kansas
93%

133) Jalen Reed - S, Penn State
33%

226) Tommi Hill - CB, Nebraska
68%

251) Drew Kendall - C/OG, Boston College
88%

257) Cody Lindenberg - LB, Minnesota
<5%

RedinTexas · 04-02-2025, 11:56 AM

I ran a 7 round mock on PFN and there's just no getting around some of the odd rankings. I traded down twice into the middle/late 2nd round.

Traded #31 & #257 to 49ers for #43 & #75

Traded #43, #95, & 2026 KC 3rd to Arizona for #47 & #55

47 - Conerly OT

55 - Tuimolau Edge

63 - Treveyon Henderson RB

66 - Alexander DT

75 - Bech WR

133 - Skattebo RB

226 - Ingram-Dawkins DT

251 - Woodson S

I wouldn't have taken 2 running backs, but when Skattebo was available at #133 I couldn't pass him up. I figured that a good GM would be able to trade one or the other, or even trade one of our current backs.

**Rain Man** · 04-02-2025, 05:20 PM

The ESPN simulator is very friendly about trading down one spot. Other teams look at those offers if they're orangutans watching a magic trick. With a little patience, I converted the Chiefs draft into 18 picks, including a bunch of middle rounders. (I can't figure out how to paste the actual draft, but it was an impressive haul.)

via GIPHY

Chris Meck · 04-06-2025, 07:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kccrow

PFN garbage. Traded down in the 4th to pick up a high 7th.

31.
NFL-team-logo
Josh Conerly Jr.
OT Oregon
63.
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TreVeyon Henderson
RB Ohio State
66.
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Darius Alexander
DT Toledo
95.
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Chris Paul Jr.
LB Ole Miss
138.
NFL-team-logo
Elijah Roberts
DT SMU
trade-icon
226.
NFL-team-logo
Vernon Broughton
DT Texas
227.
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Cody Simon
LB Ohio State
trade-icon
251.
NFL-team-logo
Shamari Simmons
S Arizona State
257.
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Jordan Watkins
WR Mississippi

I've run all of the mock machines pretty much every year, it's a morning coffee ritual for me post-season. Some years, there seems to be a consensus on players at least in the early rounds as far as maybe within 20 or so spots.

This year, they seem to be all over the place.

Which of these mock sites tend to be most accurate?

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03-26-2025, 12:45 PM	#107
RedinTexas Veteran Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Texas Casino cash: $-230000	I tried accepting trades for future draft picks on PFN with the idea that I would use them to trade back up where I wanted, but it's really difficult to trade them in a trade-up. I find it difficult to trade up at all on PFN, but it seems like PFN heavily discounts future picks when analyzing trades.
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03-26-2025, 01:15 PM	#108
kccrow MVP Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Michigan Casino cash: $-1010000	PFN garbage. Traded down in the 4th to pick up a high 7th. 31. NFL-team-logo Josh Conerly Jr. OT Oregon 63. NFL-team-logo TreVeyon Henderson RB Ohio State 66. NFL-team-logo Darius Alexander DT Toledo 95. NFL-team-logo Chris Paul Jr. LB Ole Miss 138. NFL-team-logo Elijah Roberts DT SMU trade-icon 226. NFL-team-logo Vernon Broughton DT Texas 227. NFL-team-logo Cody Simon LB Ohio State trade-icon 251. NFL-team-logo Shamari Simmons S Arizona State 257. NFL-team-logo Jordan Watkins WR Mississippi
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03-26-2025, 01:20 PM	#109
RedinTexas Veteran Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Texas Casino cash: $-230000	I ran a 7 round mock on PFN with the goal of trading down from #31 and hoping to pick up a couple of picks in the mid/late 2nd round. On PFN I've seen Walter Nolen fall to that area nearly every time, and if not him, then someone like Kenneth Grant. Trade picks #31 and #133 to New England for picks #38 and #69. 38 - Walter Nolen, DT Trade pick #63 to Carolina for #64 and #146 64 - Elic Ayomanor, WR 66 - TJ Sanders, DT Trade pick #69 and 2026 4th rd pick to New Orleans for #71 and 2026 3rd rd pick 71 - Marcus Mbow, OT 95 - Kevin Winston, S 146 - RJ Harvey, RB 226 - Hunter Wohler, S 251 - Elijah Williams, Edge 257 - Trevor Etienne, RB 2026 - Traded away 4th rounder and picked up New Orleans 3rd rounder
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03-26-2025, 01:39 PM	#110
kccrow MVP Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Michigan Casino cash: $-1010000	IMHO, Walter Nolen is a better pure prospect than Jalen Carter was coming out. Only reason he's getting any knockdowns is character flags. Carter had them, too, and still went #9. Any dream of Nolen going in the 2nd should be lit on fire and doused in antifreeze. I'll shit myself if he makes it beyond #13 overall.
Posts: 13,954

03-29-2025, 10:46 AM	#112
RedinTexas Veteran Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Texas Casino cash: $-230000	I've found a way to manipulate the PFN simulator in trades. When proposing a trade the simulator demands a stiff premium and discounts future picks pretty heavily. When the simulator proposes the trade it assumes the premium should go to me, but it doesn't always offer a nice premium. The underlying assumption about who deserves a premium in the trade is still there though. Furthermore, if you try to counter-offer on the trade the simulator does not delete the original trade offer when it declines your counter-offer. So, you can make many counter-offers as you slowly step up the amounts until you find something the simulator will accept. Additionally, since the simulator appears to discount future picks pretty heavily, you can make some nice trade-ups in future picks, eg trading a future KC 3rd for the opponent's future 2nd. On top of that it doesn't much mind making trades for future picks in the same round, so when trading with a team that should be worse than the Chiefs, it's easy to add in a KC 1st for their 1st. It looks to me like moving up in next year's draft, but apparently looks to the simulator like a break even deal. ETA - Yeah, swapping picks in the same round appears to be no problem for the simulator. I was able to trade away all of KC's draft picks in 2026 to Seattle and NYG in exchange for theirs. I ended up with only KC's 7th round pick, but I have the Giants picks in the first 6 rounds. It seems like a pretty significant tradeup to me, but the simulator didn't seem to care. Last edited by RedinTexas; 03-29-2025 at 11:42 AM..
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03-29-2025, 02:35 PM	#113
Couch-Potato Simmons @ 32 > Fisher @ 1 Join Date: Jan 2015 Casino cash: $323065	Let’s secure the trenches mock 31. Josh Simmons OT Ohio State 63. Tate Ratledge OG Georgia 66. Alfred Collins DT Texas 95. Jordan Burch EDGE Oregon 133. David Walker EDGE Central Arkansas 226. Raheim Sanders RB South Carolina 251. Theo Wease Jr. WR Missouri 257. O’Donnell Fortune CB South Carolina
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03-31-2025, 03:52 PM	#114
Couch-Potato Simmons @ 32 > Fisher @ 1 Join Date: Jan 2015 Casino cash: $323065	ESPN Round 1, Pick 31 Josh Conerly Jr. Oregon OT Round 2, Pick 63 TreVeyon Henderson Ohio State RB Round 3, Pick 66 JT Tuimoloau Ohio State EDGE Round 3, Pick 95 Tate Ratledge Georgia C/G Round 4, Pick 133 Kyle Williams Washington St. WR Round 7, Pick 226 Cody Lindenberg Minnesota LB Round 7, Pick 251 O'Donnell Fortune South Carolina CB Round 7, Pick 257 Yahya Black Iowa DT This would be awesome!
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03-31-2025, 10:33 PM	#115
kccrow MVP Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Michigan Casino cash: $-1010000	Starting to appreciate these more to play with scenarios than worry as much about them probably being way off on rankings. Kudos for adding the ESPN one to the mix. It seems to suck about as much shit as the rest, was hoping it'd be a tad better. But maybe there will be hope for it. The one I did with that is: 1-31 - Derrick Harmon, DT, Oregon 2-63 - Carson Schwesinger, LB, UCLA 3-66 - Jaylin Noel, WR, Iowa State 3-95 - Cam Skattebo, RB, Arizona State 4-133 - Kyle Kennard, DE, South Carolina 7-226 - Dorian Strong, CB, Virginia Tech 7-251 - Shamari Simmons, DB, Arizona State 7-256 - Jay Toia, DT, UCLA
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04-01-2025, 10:33 AM	#116
el borracho In Pat We Trust Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Albuquerque, NM Casino cash: $2789148	PFN with trades and somehow Mike Green still available at 50... we should be so lucky 50. Mike Green Edge 52. Trey Amos Cornerback 63. TJ Sanders Defensive Tackle 66. Quinshon Judkins Running Back 107. Tai Felton Wide Receiver 126. Charles Grant Offensive Tackle
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04-01-2025, 05:27 PM	#117
Bowser sorta mod-ish Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: KC North Casino cash: $31616	Gave the ESPN simulator a whirl. I'll say it's not very realistic that the players that were available for me are going to be available when the draft goes down, but I do like the feature that shows the percentage of that player being available at that pick and the odds they'll be available at your next pick. 31) Derick Harmon - DT, Oregon 44% chance of availability 63) TreVeon Henderson - RB, Ohio State 20% chance 66) Jalen Royals - WR, Utah State 75% 95) Logan Brown - OT, Kansas 93% 133) Jalen Reed - S, Penn State 33% 226) Tommi Hill - CB, Nebraska 68% 251) Drew Kendall - C/OG, Boston College 88% 257) Cody Lindenberg - LB, Minnesota <5%
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04-02-2025, 11:56 AM	#118
RedinTexas Veteran Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Texas Casino cash: $-230000	I ran a 7 round mock on PFN and there's just no getting around some of the odd rankings. I traded down twice into the middle/late 2nd round. Traded #31 & #257 to 49ers for #43 & #75 Traded #43, #95, & 2026 KC 3rd to Arizona for #47 & #55 47 - Conerly OT 55 - Tuimolau Edge 63 - Treveyon Henderson RB 66 - Alexander DT 75 - Bech WR 133 - Skattebo RB 226 - Ingram-Dawkins DT 251 - Woodson S I wouldn't have taken 2 running backs, but when Skattebo was available at #133 I couldn't pass him up. I figured that a good GM would be able to trade one or the other, or even trade one of our current backs. Last edited by RedinTexas; 04-02-2025 at 12:17 PM..
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04-02-2025, 05:20 PM	#119
Rain Man Seize life. Be an ermine. Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: My house Casino cash: $-402449 VARSITY	The ESPN simulator is very friendly about trading down one spot. Other teams look at those offers if they're orangutans watching a magic trick. With a little patience, I converted the Chiefs draft into 18 picks, including a bunch of middle rounders. (I can't figure out how to paste the actual draft, but it was an impressive haul.) via GIPHY __________________ Active fan of the greatest team in NFL history.
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