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Old 09-22-2023, 12:51 PM  
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Chris Jones and his 15+ sacks
Jones got his small bonus.

Week 1: 0
Week 2: 1.5
Week 3: 1.0
Week 4: 1.0
Week 5: 1.0
Week 6: 1.0
Week 7: 0
Week 8: 0
Week 9: 0
Week 10: BYE
Week 11: 2
Week 12: 0
Week 13: 0
Week 14: 0
Week 15: 0
Week 16: 1
Week 17: 1
Week 18: 1

Total: 10.5 Sacks
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Old 12-05-2023, 03:14 PM   #106
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He just missed a sack against the Packers, Omenihu got credit for the sack on this play, but at first it looks like Jones had the sack.
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Old 12-05-2023, 03:21 PM   #107
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Sacks are technically only for plays when the QB was trying to pass. If he tries to pass, pulls it down because no one is open, and then is tackled when he scrambles, that's considered a sack. But if it was a designed run in the beginning, it's just a tackle for loss - not a sack.

There's some subjectivity to it, obviously, but most of the time you can tell the difference.
I'll be damned. Had no idea. I figured a qb tackle for a loss was a sack bottom line.
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Old 12-05-2023, 03:51 PM   #108
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The Packers game was one of the better games he's had in awhile (Maybe the Chargers or first Broncos game?).

But at that, he's still only had 1 or 2 games this season that were at the level of his average game last season. The Jax game was incredible, Denver1 was at his 2022 level as well.

Otherwise I'm hard-pressed to think of many games where he's played as well as he routinely played last season.

Regression is here, IMO.

I think it's time to move on.
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Old 12-05-2023, 04:01 PM   #109
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The Packers game was one of the better games he's had in awhile (Maybe the Chargers or first Broncos game?).

But at that, he's still only had 1 or 2 games this season that were at the level of his average game last season. The Jax game was incredible, Denver1 was at his 2022 level as well.

Otherwise I'm hard-pressed to think of many games where he's played as well as he routinely played last season.

Regression is here, IMO.

I think it's time to move on.
Same. He's aging now and he's always been a bit nicked up.

I wouldn't gamble 30 mil on him. Even with a strong finish, racking up sacks against bad teams, I wouldn't bite that cheese.

He'd have to be a ****ing freak in the postseason for me to want to pay him.
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Old 12-05-2023, 04:04 PM   #110
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He just missed a sack against the Packers, Omenihu got credit for the sack on this play, but at first it looks like Jones had the sack.
How was Omenihu given this sack? CJ is the only one that touches him.
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Old 12-05-2023, 04:33 PM   #111
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How was Omenihu given this sack? CJ is the only one that touches him.
He's the only Chief near the play
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He just missed a sack against the Packers, Omenihu got credit for the sack on this play, but at first it looks like Jones had the sack.
Look at Karlaftis with the nice move. Man that guy is ready to be the leader of the DL. On the Christian Watson TD they had a RB help block him.

He's already getting double teams
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Old 12-05-2023, 04:41 PM   #113
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If he gets close (say, 13+), I wonder if Veach pays him out if there's a good postseason.
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Old 12-05-2023, 04:45 PM   #114
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If he gets close (say, 13+), I wonder if Veach pays him out if there's a good postseason.
He shouldn’t, we should tag and trade if we can.
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Old 12-05-2023, 04:47 PM   #115
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The Packers game was one of the better games he's had in awhile (Maybe the Chargers or first Broncos game?).

But at that, he's still only had 1 or 2 games this season that were at the level of his average game last season. The Jax game was incredible, Denver1 was at his 2022 level as well.

Otherwise I'm hard-pressed to think of many games where he's played as well as he routinely played last season.

Regression is here, IMO.

I think it's time to move on.
Chiefs seem to have completely aced this one.

Traded back from the first to second round. Got great production through a couple different schemes.

Paid him a pretty big contract. 8 seasons, with 5-6 being high level to elite play. Was pretty much always available, minus a few hiccups along the way.

He even provided a signature game against the Bengals in the AFCCG.

Now, they’ll likely move on without any harm to their cap.

Can’t do it much better than that.
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He shouldn’t, we should tag and trade if we can.
I think we'll miss him, but yeah. At this point I'd much rather use our resources on giving Mahomes some actual weapons. If we can get something out of a tag and trade and use it on a great WR to pair with Rice, I'll take the possible dip in our pass rush.
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Old 12-05-2023, 04:58 PM   #117
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He's the only Chief near the play
Yeah, I believe if the QB gives himself up (and it looks like that's what Love did there) then he's down even before contact. In which case the sack goes to the nearest guy who may have created the give up.

Pure scorer's decision, I suppose.

I don't think either guy would've had a complaint either way.
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Old 12-05-2023, 04:59 PM   #118
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If he gets close (say, 13+), I wonder if Veach pays him out if there's a good postseason.
Nope.

That's not how it works. I can't think of a time a team just paid out an incentive because someone got close to it absent some sort of bizarre extenuating circumstance.

Missing a game because you're being a stubborn jackass does not qualify.
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Old 12-05-2023, 05:02 PM   #119
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How was Omenihu given this sack? CJ is the only one that touches him.
Omenidu touches Love on his helmet during his rush, Love falls and is down. It’s real hard to see unless you watch the play in slow motion.
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Yup.

Smart move by the Chiefs w/ Jones.

This year has demonstrated why you don’t sign an almost 30 year old DT to a MONSTER contract.

Get the best left in the tank this season (and hopefully in the playoffs, mostly) and then move on and let someone else pay him ridiculous $$$$$.
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