Ron Torbort should be fired

[Chief Northman]

Atrocious job by Torbort and his crew today:

- Atrocious spots of the ball
- Missed holdings on Browns receivers in red zone
- Dee Ford strip sack and recovery taken away on a clean play nobody flagged
- Chiefs decline Cleveland penalty, CLOCK SHOULD BE RUNNING. Torbort ****s up and misinterprets situation moving Chiefs out of FG range and costing them a timeout.

Quit propping up shit franchises NFL. Browns made their own bed. They best lie in it.

Horrible.

[Kyle DeLexus]

Originally Posted by rabblerouser

It's impossible to spike a ball to save time on a clock that is not running.

That means, it was intentional grounding.

By definition.

You can't legally stop a clock that isn't running.

By definition, intentional grounding has very specific things mentioned in the rule. If they would have called delay of game or something like that I'd get it, but based on the rules written how they are, I don't see how you can call intentional grounding.

The clock was running when the ball was spiked. Because of that, the spike was made to save time. The rules need to have something specific saying it would be intentional grounding to spike the ball if the clock is stopped before the snap. Without that, the NFL is making shit up with interpretations of the rules that are not specific enough.

[rabblerouser]

Originally Posted by Kyle DeLexus

By definition, intentional grounding has very specific things mentioned in the rule. If they would have called delay of game or something like that I'd get it, but based on the rules written how they are, I don't see how you can call intentional grounding.

The clock was running when the ball was spiked. Because of that, the spike was made to save time. The rules need to have something specific saying it would be intentional grounding to spike the ball if the clock is stopped before the snap. Without that, the NFL is making shit up with interpretations of the rules that are not specific enough.

1. The PLAY clock was running; the GAME clock was not. The item 3: "player under center is permitted to stop the game clock legally to save time" is telling :

Can't do it from the shotgun, and it has to be done to stop the GAME CLOCK LEGALLY TO SAVE TIME.

If the GAME CLOCK isn't running, then therefore the player is not legally stopping the clock to save time. Because the clock wasn't running.

Clay keeps asking for the rule, and I see it right there in black and white.

2. It was intentional grounding;
The QB was not outside the pocket, did not throw toward the line of scrimmage, had no receiver in the area, and the game clock was not running at the snap, so it wasn't done to legally save time on the clock.

[DenverChief]

IDK if anyone has mentioned this but the clock was clearly running, it ticked off 1 second before the snap and spike. Anyone that could post that vid would be greatly appreciated.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by Kyle DeLexus

The rules need to have something specific saying it would be intentional grounding to spike the ball if the clock is stopped before the snap.

[DenverChief]

Originally Posted by rabblerouser

1. The PLAY clock was running; the GAME clock was not.

FALSE. It went from 9 seconds to 8 seconds BEFORE the snap

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by rabblerouser

The QB was not outside the pocket, did not throw toward the line of scrimmage, had no receiver in the area

Was the QB under pressure?

IF HE WASN'T UNDER PRESSURE

GUESS WHAT BUCKO

IT'S NOT INTENTIONAL GROUNDING

NEVER IN A MILLION BILLION TRILLION YEARS!!!!

IT'S IN THE RULES!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Kman34]

Originally Posted by DenverChief

IDK if anyone has mentioned this but the clock was clearly running, it ticked off 1 second before the snap and spike. Anyone that could post that vid would be greatly appreciated.

Yes...... I clearly saw the clock go from 9 seconds to 8 and stay there to the next play....

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by DenverChief

FALSE. It went from 9 seconds to 8 seconds BEFORE the snap

Na. You're wrong on that one. Go back and watch it again.

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by Kman34

Yes...... I clearly saw the clock go from 9 seconds to 8 and stay there to the next play....

It ticked from 9 to 8 during the play.

[rabblerouser]

Originally Posted by petegz28

The intentional grounding was a bullshit call the Refs ****ed up. It's right up there with the forward progress being stopped when it should have been a sack fumble but Triplette decided otherwise

No, Reid and Mahomes ****ed up and should've ran an RPO. THEY HAD 25 SECONDS TO GET SET AND CALL THE PLAY AND PROTECTION.

THERE WAS NO POINT IN SPIKING, ON TOP OF IT DRAWING THE PENALTY.

Don't blame the refs for Reid and Mahomes making a mistake - they're not perfect and they can learn from that.

The Triplette 'forward progress' was the straight up no-lube NFL screw-job.

There's no comparison.

I've been paying attention to the WWNFL and how they rig shit for years now, and they mix shit like this, a controversial call that they actually got right, to obfuscate and confuse.

[rabblerouser]

Originally Posted by DaFace

It ticked from 9 to 8 during the play.

Exactly.

The ref wound the PLAY clock which went from 25 to 24, Mahomes snapped the ball and THEN the game clock started.

It was intentional grounding.

Per the rules.

[rabblerouser]

Originally Posted by Kman34

Yes...... I clearly saw the clock go from 9 seconds to 8 and stay there to the next play....

Yeah. Because it took one second to SPIKE THE BALL.

[Kman34]

Originally Posted by DaFace

Na. You're wrong on that one. Go back and watch it again.

Nope ... have it on dvr

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by Kman34

Nope ... have it on dvr

You're wrong.

I'm looking at it right now.

It's at 9 seconds the entire time before Mahomes snaps the ball and spikes it.

[rabblerouser]

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

Was the QB under pressure?

IF HE WASN'T UNDER PRESSURE

GUESS WHAT BUCKO

IT'S NOT INTENTIONAL GROUNDING

NEVER IN A MILLION BILLION TRILLION YEARS!!!!

IT'S IN THE RULES!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If the clock wasn't running at the snap, he's gotta throw at a receiver unless he's outside the pocket and throwing toward the LOS.

It's totally in the rules.

Love,
Bucko