Chiefs Our d-line is just disappointing. Time to start over again. - Page 8

Bump · 09-10-2012, 11:28 AM

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with all of our money tied into the d-line. The future of our franchise is pretty much determined by these 3 guys. We failed at that and I'm afraid we are going to have to start over....again.

Sure they are ok at stopping the run. But they make no difference when we need players to make a damn difference. They didn't get any sort of push yesterday. Didn't make any plays other than a few good run stops. But when the pressure is on and we need guys to step it up, they will never do that. Don't give me that excuse that d-linemen in this defense aren't gonna get stats and their jobs is to free the OLB's. I've seen plenty of 3-4 defenses where the d-line can step it up and make a play when it's needed. These guys just cannot, of course the verdict is still out on Poe and he did have that one good tackle...

And also, who the **** drafts 3 d-lineman in 5 years in the first round?

Teams that fail do that. If you are gonna build your team around a defensive line, then they better ****ing be able to do something like the Giants d-line. I don't see much difference in the defense when Dorsey and TJax are out and replaced by their backups who were late round picks.

honestly, I think we are going to have to start over again. But if it's not going to be done right, what's the ****ing point? We are going to battle for that #1 pick and honestly, I hope we lose every game this season just to get it. Start over. Do it right. Draft your skill positions in the first round. Starting with QB of course.

ChiefsCountry · 09-10-2012, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

You are either a mult or the dumbest ****ing person on Chiefsplanet.

He came from the Colation. That should explain it for you.

**the Talking Can** · 09-10-2012, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

Raji might be the most overrated player this board has a love affair with IMO.

feel free to compare his first years to jackson for us...thanks

**DaneMcCloud** · 09-10-2012, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

Raji might be the most overrated player this board has a love affair with IMO.

Considering the fact that the Packers can't stop anyone and their defense flat out sucks, I think it's hard to know Raji's value at this point in time.

Put him on a defense surrounded by talent and he could be a top ten defensive lineman.

Tombstone RJ · 09-10-2012, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Laz

because they are paranoid and hate Pioli

They think that Pioli forced Haley to suck, bugged his phone and did all sorts of ridiculous crap.

well the man did leave a candy wrapper on the floor for two weeks just to see if anyone would pick it up...

LVNHACK · 09-10-2012, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackBob

I don't get it.

You should stop right there.....Most intelligent thing you've ****ing posted in 1,104 tries...

Buckweath · 09-10-2012, 01:07 PM

Some of you guys are ridiculous. That Chiefs defense, without Berry, was 11th overall last year, and 4th in the second half of last season after those dreadful first few games where the whole team was unprepared.

Didn't you see watch Chiefs football when this D was dominant against Big Ben, Aaron Rodgers, and Tom Brady for a half?

What did you guys really expect to do against probably a top 3-5 passing offense, when missing your two most important players against the pass in Hali and Flowers and a guy like Lewis who is underrated and whom is good in coverage, better than Elam?

Between Hali, Houston, and Poe and Bailey when they develop, the Chiefs are fine at passrushing.

Remember, 6th in passing defense last year despite no Erib Berry and playing the likes of Rodgers, Big Ben, Brady and others.

As for Dorsey and Jackson, they are solid players. You just can't hit on every first round pick, no matter how high. Compare the Chiefs first round picks since 2005 with the rest of the league, the Chiefs have had great success with their 1st round picks overall.

Black Bob · 09-10-2012, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

Raji might be the most overrated player this board has a love affair with IMO.

Thanks man and good post. Green Bay hasn't been the same since Jenkins left.

**DaneMcCloud** · 09-10-2012, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Laz

because they are paranoid and hate Pioli

They think that Pioli forced Haley to suck, bugged his phone and did all sorts of ridiculous crap.

Where there's smoke, there's fire.

I have a friend from junior high and high school that's worked for the Chiefs off and on for the past two decades.

Let's just say that his stories aren't much different than what Babb reported.

**DaneMcCloud** · 09-10-2012, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

He came from the Colation. That should explain it for you.

JFC.

These people should be required to take an intelligence test before posting here.

**BossChief** · 09-10-2012, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can

feel free to compare his first years to jackson for us...thanks

We are both biased in different ways.

The unbiased opinion (PFF) had Tyson as the better player last year.

**DaneMcCloud** · 09-10-2012, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackBob

Everyone in the top 10 missed on guys like Mathews and that's the point. that is well known to be the worst draft class and biggest crapshoot of all time. We came out OK.

No, the point is that Scott Pioli is paid $5 million dollars per year to be smarter than not only the other 31 GM's in the NFL, but smarter than the average poster on a football forum.

And the Chiefs did NOT come out "OK".

JFC, I've just about run out of adjectives for your dumbassery.

Mr. Laz · 09-10-2012, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Buckweath

Some of you guys are ridiculous. That Chiefs defense, without Berry, was 11th overall last year, and 4th in the second half of last season after those dreadful first few games where the whole team was unprepared.

Didn't you see watch Chiefs football when this D was dominant against Big Ben, Aaron Rodgers, and Tom Brady for a half?

What did you guys really expect to do against probably a top 3-5 passing offense, when missing your two most important players against the pass in Hali and Flowers and a guy like Lewis who is underrated and whom is good in coverage, better than Elam?

Between Hali, Houston, and Poe and Bailey when they develop, the Chiefs are fine at passrushing.

Remember, 6th in passing defense last year despite no Erib Berry and playing the likes of Rodgers, Big Ben, Brady and others.

As for Dorsey and Jackson, they are solid players. You just can't hit on every first round pick, no matter how high. Compare the Chiefs first round picks since 2005 with the rest of the league, the Chiefs have had great success with their 1st round picks overall.

understood but i want our defense to be more flexible.

Crennel seems to have 2 ways of calling a defense ... bend/don't break and super bend/don't break.

We gotta have more

Buckweath · 09-10-2012, 01:12 PM

People criticize Dorsey and Jackson for not being good enough against the pass but the Chiefs D finished 6th overall in pass D and 26th in rush D last year, how funny is that?

And I'll add that they were 14th overall in YPC allowed.

**DaneMcCloud** · 09-10-2012, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

We are both biased in different ways.

The unbiased opinion (PFF) had Tyson as the better player last year.

Who gives a shit. Really?

The Packers were 15-1 last year and won the Super Bowl since Raji was drafted.

Neither the Chiefs nor Jackson have done dick in that time period.

**DaneMcCloud** · 09-10-2012, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Laz

understood but i want our defense to be more flexible.

Crennel seems to have 2 ways of calling a defense ... bend/don't break and super bend/don't break.

We gotta have more

He's 65. Therefore, I don't think you're going to see anything more.

09-10-2012, 11:28 AM
Bump YOU take YOUR seat Join Date: Nov 2007 Casino cash: $-1414895	Our d-line is just disappointing. Time to start over again. #5 overall #3 overall #11 overall with all of our money tied into the d-line. The future of our franchise is pretty much determined by these 3 guys. We failed at that and I'm afraid we are going to have to start over....again. Sure they are ok at stopping the run. But they make no difference when we need players to make a damn difference. They didn't get any sort of push yesterday. Didn't make any plays other than a few good run stops. But when the pressure is on and we need guys to step it up, they will never do that. Don't give me that excuse that d-linemen in this defense aren't gonna get stats and their jobs is to free the OLB's. I've seen plenty of 3-4 defenses where the d-line can step it up and make a play when it's needed. These guys just cannot, of course the verdict is still out on Poe and he did have that one good tackle... And also, who the ** drafts 3 d-lineman in 5 years in the first round? Teams that fail do that. If you are gonna build your team around a defensive line, then they better ing be able to do something like the Giants d-line. I don't see much difference in the defense when Dorsey and TJax are out and replaced by their backups who were late round picks. honestly, I think we are going to have to start over again. But if it's not going to be done right, what's the **ing point? We are going to battle for that #1 pick and honestly, I hope we lose every game this season just to get it. Start over. Do it right. Draft your skill positions in the first round. Starting with QB of course.
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09-10-2012, 01:07 PM	#111
Buckweath Veteran Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Quebec, Canada Casino cash: $9994975	Some of you guys are ridiculous. That Chiefs defense, without Berry, was 11th overall last year, and 4th in the second half of last season after those dreadful first few games where the whole team was unprepared. Didn't you see watch Chiefs football when this D was dominant against Big Ben, Aaron Rodgers, and Tom Brady for a half? What did you guys really expect to do against probably a top 3-5 passing offense, when missing your two most important players against the pass in Hali and Flowers and a guy like Lewis who is underrated and whom is good in coverage, better than Elam? Between Hali, Houston, and Poe and Bailey when they develop, the Chiefs are fine at passrushing. Remember, 6th in passing defense last year despite no Erib Berry and playing the likes of Rodgers, Big Ben, Brady and others. As for Dorsey and Jackson, they are solid players. You just can't hit on every first round pick, no matter how high. Compare the Chiefs first round picks since 2005 with the rest of the league, the Chiefs have had great success with their 1st round picks overall.
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Buckweath Veteran Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Quebec, Canada Casino cash: $9994975	People criticize Dorsey and Jackson for not being good enough against the pass but the Chiefs D finished 6th overall in pass D and 26th in rush D last year, how funny is that? And I'll add that they were 14th overall in YPC allowed.
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