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Hammock Parties · 11-19-2007, 11:23 PM

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Edwards defends conservative approach to offense

Given any other team’s offensive players, Herm Edwards might have tried harder to match Peyton Manning and the Indianapolis Colts point for point.

Edwards is instead coaching the Chiefs, who are doing nothing consistently well when they’ve had the ball. That being the case, Edwards defended his decisions in Sunday’s 13-10 loss, saying the considerable offensive shortcomings leave him no realistic choice but to be what most fans consider ultra-conservative.

“There’s no room for error for us,” Edwards said Monday. “We have more three-and-outs than anybody in football. We have more negative plays than anybody in football. It’s hard playing that way. You put a lot of strain on the defense. So you’re trying to protect them, too. You don’t want your defense out there the whole game.

“Do I want to play that way? Heck, no. But we have to play that way. I’m trying to play the best way for the Chiefs to win the game.”

The subject obviously frustrated Edwards, who at times raised or lower his voice to make a point. He never wavered from his stance that an inability to make yards when running the ball or adequately protect the quarterback means the Chiefs are realistically squeezing every point possible from their offense.

“You have all of these great ideas that you want to use,” Edwards said. “There are a lot of things other teams are doing that we’d like to do. But we know what we are whether we like it or not. It’s been 10 weeks. You’re not going to all of a sudden evolve into something like New England. You’ve got to do what you feel you’re capable of doing.

“You know what you’re capable of doing and at the end of the day, you’re always trying to do things the players can be successful at. You can’t do things that won’t let your players be successful. You have to take some chances once in a while. I understand that. But there are (only) certain things we’re capable of doing.

“Would we like to do some different things? Sure. But you have to play to the strengths of your players. It looks like we’re conservative at times.

“We’re doing things in a way we feel we’re capable of doing them. As a staff, we’ve been with these players every day. We coach them every day. We know what they’re capable of doing. Whether everybody else believes that, it doesn’t matter. It might look conservative, but it’s a way of playing football that gives us the best opportunity to win.”

The Chiefs may have been able to squeeze more points near the end of the first half.

They took over at their 23 with 1 minute, 15 seconds and three timeouts left. The score was 3-3.

The Chiefs ran out the clock rather than try for points. Edwards ordered quarterback Brodie Croyle to hand the ball twice to Kolby Smith, once for 4 yards and the next for 5, rather than attempt a pass.

“We decided we were going to run the ball on the first play,” Edwards said. “If we got a first down, if we got 15 yards or so, then we were going to go for it. But that didn’t happen. And at that point I didn’t want to give (the Colts) momentum. They had two timeouts left. If we had taken almost no time off the clock with three incomplete passes and then we punted, we would have given the ball back to Peyton Manning with two timeouts.

“Then they get the ball back to start the third quarter. I’m not giving them two shots at me without us having even one. That makes no sense to me. I’m looking at all of that and saying, ‘Wait a minute.’ We survived the first half.

“Yeah, I was playing it conservative at that point. I guess people think we should take a chance because we were 14-point underdogs. But I’m trying to win the game. We were backed up. It was noisy. There were too many variables in that one.

“If I’m somebody else, then maybe I do it differently. But I know what I am right now.”

Against the Colts, Croyle made his first start in place of Damon Huard. Edwards made the change in part because of Croyle’s superior passing skills.

But the Chiefs declined to use those skills. His longest completion of the game was 19 yards, not counting the lateral on the game’s last play that gave him a statistical 21-yard gain.

Edwards indicated the Chiefs might try to throw more down the field in Sunday’s game against Oakland at Arrowhead Stadium.

“(The Colts) play a lot of cover 2,” Edwards said. “They’re not going to let you throw the ball down the field. They’ve only given up 10 plays of 20 yards passing. They don’t give up those plays.

“You’ll see the ball go down the field more against Oakland because they play more man to man. If we can get some one-on-one matchups we like, we’ll do it. That’s the next thing you try to do the next six weeks. This was his first game, and we had to get a feel for him emotionally and where he’s going to be. Now we can build on that.”

Hammock Parties · 11-20-2007, 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by HemiEd

Damn this guy is the polar opposite of Vermiel.

Not really. They both have gigantic flaws that cause them to field teams that only win half their games in the long haul.

Dick's way was noisier. Herm's is a little quieter.

It's quite shocking, the similarities in fact. After two years with Dick, everyone was calling for Robinson's head. After two years with Herm, everyone is going to be calling for Solari's head.

And of course Herm and Dick are bestest buddies.

We'll see if Herm learns from his mistake (hiring a crappy coordinator) sooner than Dick learned from his. Dick waited a year too long to fire Robinson. Does Herm have the balls to show his buddy the door before it's too late? If we waste another year of Gonzalez and LJ's careers, it might be too late.

**DaKCMan AP** · 11-20-2007, 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by HemiEd

You got it right. Last time I heard a Chiefs coach talk like that, it was Marv Levy explaining why he installed the wing T. We had no talent in his opinion. That is what Herm is saying, should really boost the players confidence and moral. Damn this guy is the polar opposite of Vermiel.

And Marv Levy proved to be a terrible coach.

Herm gets one more year from me to build his team. Then it's all on him.

Mecca · 11-20-2007, 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by GOATSE

Not really. They both have gigantic flaws that cause them to field teams that only win half their games in the long haul.

Dick's way was noisier. Herm's is a little quieter.

It's quite shocking, the similarities in fact. After two years with Dick, everyone was calling for Robinson's head. After two years with Herm, everyone is going to be calling for Solari's head.

And of course Herm and Dick are bestest buddies.

We'll see if Herm learns from his mistake (hiring a crappy coordinator) sooner than Dick learned from his. Dick waited a year too long to fire Robinson. Does Herm have the balls to show his buddy the door before it's too late? If we waste another year of Gonzalez and LJ's careers, it might be too late.

Herm isn't loyal like Vermiel, if it saves his ass he will blame and fire anyone and everyone he can. But in the end nothing will change because Herm has total control over everything, just like that quote in his book "I'm the head coach you do what I say" He dictates and when it doesn't work he blames the guy who did what he was told to do...

**HemiEd** · 11-20-2007, 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by FAX

I have a serious question.

What other active coach in today's NFL is as conservative as Herm? I know a lot of people cite Martyball, but he's not active right now. Anyone else come to mind?

FAX

The Bears fans are complaining about Lovie Smiths conservatism, but they have no ****ing idea how bad it can get.

Hammock Parties · 11-20-2007, 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Herm isn't loyal like Vermiel

I guess we're gonna find out. He kept Drummond and Welbourn out there way too long (and Welbourn is still playing). He has a long-time relationship with Mike Solari and he's been throwing "the talent" under the bus for weeks now. And the guy loves Dick Curl like his own father. He keeps him in his back pocket everywhere.

Watch the guy drop Saxon and Joiner like hot potatoes though....cus you know, they were Dick's coaches.

**Dave Lane** · 11-20-2007, 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Bugeater

What's next, we punt on first down so there's no chance of having a negative play?

No too risky. It could get blocked. Just Fumble the ball forward 40 yards on 1st down thats the real NFL play.

Dave

**Bwana** · 11-20-2007, 08:13 AM

"I play to lose the game."

~Herm~

**Dave Lane** · 11-20-2007, 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Herm isn't loyal like Vermiel, if it saves his ass he will blame and fire anyone and everyone he can. But in the end nothing will change because Herm has total control over everything, just like that quote in his book "I'm the head coach you do what I say" He dictates and when it doesn't work he blames the guy who did what he was told to do...

Amen. Herm will use his coordinators like a wedge on a kickoff, he'll stay behind them all the way and let them catch the big hits.

He's a pussy deluxe

Dave

Chiefs_Mike_Topeka · 11-20-2007, 08:23 AM

Another example of a head coach that thinks fans are not intelligent enough to understand the game.

Hey Herm;

your a football coach, what you do is purely to provide entertainment for fans. And to keep having this nose up attitude that no one can understand the difficulty of you job is a joke. You make your job difficult by being a moron. Don't try and feed us this load of shit that what your doing is the best way, your own players don't agree with that.

I can assure you that 90% of the fans watching your joke of a gameplan weekly can virtually call every play during the game, thats how much of a complete farce your offense is.

If you want to play that way; fine, it sucks I don't like it, but nothing I can do about it. But don't try and convince fans that your the great and almighty football God and we are just a bunch of mindless idiots that will fall in step with what ever you say.

Chiefnj2 · 11-20-2007, 08:27 AM

How much room do the Chiefs have left in cap room this year that they didn't spend?

They couldn't give up a 5th round pick in the supplemental draft for Gaither?

A large part of the OL problems fall on Carl for thinking the team was going to be successful in a power running scheme with Weigman, Welbourn and Terry/Turley.

Carl could have given Herm a few more tools to run his fraidy cat offense.

kc rush · 11-20-2007, 08:34 AM

How long until the Chiefs have a players only meeting and tell Herm how it is?

I'm not talking mutiny, just letting the coach know that they are capable of more and would like to be given the chance to win.

Mecca · 11-20-2007, 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by kc rush

How long until the Chiefs have a players only meeting and tell Herm how it is?

I'm not talking mutiny, just letting the coach know that they are capable of more and would like to be given the chance to win.

Herm would then tell them he's the coach and to get on the bus.....

**Dave Lane** · 11-20-2007, 08:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

How much room do the Chiefs have left in cap room this year that they didn't spend?

They couldn't give up a 5th round pick in the supplemental draft for Gaither?

A large part of the OL problems fall on Carl for thinking the team was going to be successful in a power running scheme with Weigman, Welbourn and Terry/Turley.

Carl could have given Herm a few more tools to run his fraidy cat offense.

For the love of god this team is not that much worse on O than when DV had it.

Playmakers:

LJ
TG
Priest
Bowe
Kennison
Croyle
Waters

Thats a damn good nucleus and capable if Al Saunders was still OC of putting up 20-25 pts per game.

ITS ****ING HERM PEOPLE!!!

Dave

Mecca · 11-20-2007, 08:43 AM

It's partially the Oline, and Kennison's age has caught him at this point with his constant injuries. LJ isn't the same player anymore, but that is Herm's fault so you can blame him there.

But even if they had the exact right players they wouldn't score more than 17-20 points just because of how Herm wants the offense to play. He actually thinks scoring a bunch of points hurts the defense.

**HemiEd** · 11-20-2007, 08:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GOATSE

Not really. They both have gigantic flaws that cause them to field teams that only win half their games in the long haul.

Dick's way was noisier. Herm's is a little quieter.

It's quite shocking, the similarities in fact. After two years with Dick, everyone was calling for Robinson's head. After two years with Herm, everyone is going to be calling for Solari's head.

And of course Herm and Dick are bestest buddies.

We'll see if Herm learns from his mistake (hiring a crappy coordinator) sooner than Dick learned from his. Dick waited a year too long to fire Robinson. Does Herm have the balls to show his buddy the door before it's too late? If we waste another year of Gonzalez and LJ's careers, it might be too late.

Dick never, ever wanted to throw anyone else under the bus. He hated it when Robinson had to go. He was a true leader of men, consequently, you never heard any of the players speak out against the team like Tony is right now.
Herm ****ing Edwards had not been shown where the shitter was, before he started throwing people under the bus.
First it was Vermeil, then Solari, and now it has progressed to the offensive talent. We don't have good enough players to play offense.

11-19-2007, 11:23 PM
Hammock Parties I'll be back. Join Date: Nov 2002 Casino cash: $1020478	Herm defends run run pass punt http://www.kansascity.com/sports/chi...ry/368858.html Edwards defends conservative approach to offense Given any other team’s offensive players, Herm Edwards might have tried harder to match Peyton Manning and the Indianapolis Colts point for point. Edwards is instead coaching the Chiefs, who are doing nothing consistently well when they’ve had the ball. That being the case, Edwards defended his decisions in Sunday’s 13-10 loss, saying the considerable offensive shortcomings leave him no realistic choice but to be what most fans consider ultra-conservative. “There’s no room for error for us,” Edwards said Monday. “We have more three-and-outs than anybody in football. We have more negative plays than anybody in football. It’s hard playing that way. You put a lot of strain on the defense. So you’re trying to protect them, too. You don’t want your defense out there the whole game. “Do I want to play that way? Heck, no. But we have to play that way. I’m trying to play the best way for the Chiefs to win the game.” The subject obviously frustrated Edwards, who at times raised or lower his voice to make a point. He never wavered from his stance that an inability to make yards when running the ball or adequately protect the quarterback means the Chiefs are realistically squeezing every point possible from their offense. “You have all of these great ideas that you want to use,” Edwards said. “There are a lot of things other teams are doing that we’d like to do. But we know what we are whether we like it or not. It’s been 10 weeks. You’re not going to all of a sudden evolve into something like New England. You’ve got to do what you feel you’re capable of doing. “You know what you’re capable of doing and at the end of the day, you’re always trying to do things the players can be successful at. You can’t do things that won’t let your players be successful. You have to take some chances once in a while. I understand that. But there are (only) certain things we’re capable of doing. “Would we like to do some different things? Sure. But you have to play to the strengths of your players. It looks like we’re conservative at times. “We’re doing things in a way we feel we’re capable of doing them. As a staff, we’ve been with these players every day. We coach them every day. We know what they’re capable of doing. Whether everybody else believes that, it doesn’t matter. It might look conservative, but it’s a way of playing football that gives us the best opportunity to win.” The Chiefs may have been able to squeeze more points near the end of the first half. They took over at their 23 with 1 minute, 15 seconds and three timeouts left. The score was 3-3. The Chiefs ran out the clock rather than try for points. Edwards ordered quarterback Brodie Croyle to hand the ball twice to Kolby Smith, once for 4 yards and the next for 5, rather than attempt a pass. “We decided we were going to run the ball on the first play,” Edwards said. “If we got a first down, if we got 15 yards or so, then we were going to go for it. But that didn’t happen. And at that point I didn’t want to give (the Colts) momentum. They had two timeouts left. If we had taken almost no time off the clock with three incomplete passes and then we punted, we would have given the ball back to Peyton Manning with two timeouts. “Then they get the ball back to start the third quarter. I’m not giving them two shots at me without us having even one. That makes no sense to me. I’m looking at all of that and saying, ‘Wait a minute.’ We survived the first half. “Yeah, I was playing it conservative at that point. I guess people think we should take a chance because we were 14-point underdogs. But I’m trying to win the game. We were backed up. It was noisy. There were too many variables in that one. “If I’m somebody else, then maybe I do it differently. But I know what I am right now.” Against the Colts, Croyle made his first start in place of Damon Huard. Edwards made the change in part because of Croyle’s superior passing skills. But the Chiefs declined to use those skills. His longest completion of the game was 19 yards, not counting the lateral on the game’s last play that gave him a statistical 21-yard gain. Edwards indicated the Chiefs might try to throw more down the field in Sunday’s game against Oakland at Arrowhead Stadium. “(The Colts) play a lot of cover 2,” Edwards said. “They’re not going to let you throw the ball down the field. They’ve only given up 10 plays of 20 yards passing. They don’t give up those plays. “You’ll see the ball go down the field more against Oakland because they play more man to man. If we can get some one-on-one matchups we like, we’ll do it. That’s the next thing you try to do the next six weeks. This was his first game, and we had to get a feel for him emotionally and where he’s going to be. Now we can build on that.”
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