Let's talk about the Cleveland Browns

[TLO]

Week 1.

Chiefs vs Browns.

Talk about it here.

[Flying High D]

Originally Posted by mililo4cpa

As a sidebar: Everyone talks about the Dirty Dan hit at the goalline that caused the fumble, but how come nobody says anything about the exact same hit on Henne's 3rd down run at the end of the game.....always bothered me that (in my opinion), both hits were perfectly fine football plays, but if someone is going to complain about one, complain both ways....

After that hit, Henne went out and started getting tattoos.

[mililo4cpa]

Originally Posted by Flying High D

After that hit, Henne went out and started getting tattoos.

Exactly....nobody here was cry-sacking about that hit....we embraced it, moved on, and won the game the very next play.

Fact is: Browns had their chance to win that game, and Baker Mayfield couldn't deliver when everything was working in the Browns favor with 8 minutes left to go in crunch time....

EDIT: to be clear, I think the Browns have a very nice team.....not close to the level of the Chiefs at this point

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Pasta Little Brother

Nah you went full zilla. Never go full zilla.

No, you're being a douche bag. You do this to me in every thread. You're a troll. I've been on this board for a long time and you're the first person I'm putting on ignore. If you want to have a discussion then do it. Don't troll me thread to thread with "no, you're wrong just because."

[RaidersOftheCellar]

So, from what I’ve gathered, Cleveland’s pass rush will likely be weaker (wasn’t great before), their secondary is improved but not elite, and they have Beckham back (didn’t they have better chemistry without him?).

Meanwhile, KC is likely improved at all three levels on D and drastically better on the OL.

But somehow the Browns have closed the gap?

[Redbled]

Browns are a fine team. I also see them as the 3rd best team in their division. They needed like 5 TOers to beat the Steelers and they seem to struggle against the Ravens. I’d bet money they don’t win the division. Week 2 is a tougher matchup for us though I think we win both games.

[DJJasonp]

Before mahomes got his neck yanked in the playoff game last year, we were well on our way to a blowout, as the offense was doing whatever it wanted.

And - Baker probably played the best game of his pro career, which I dont see him replicating this go around.

If we stop the run, we stop the Browns.

Chiefs 34 - Browns 20

[mililo4cpa]

Originally Posted by DJJasonp

Before mahomes got his neck yanked in the playoff game last year, we were well on our way to a blowout, as the offense was doing whatever it wanted.

And - Baker probably played the best game of his pro career, which I dont see him replicating this go around.

If we stop the run, we stop the Browns.

Chiefs 34 - Browns 20

Mayfield went 23/37 for 204 - 5.1 yds per attempt. I've seen stat lines like that before.....it's called Alex Smith, and we all know where that ends up.

Mahomes, in 2.25 quarters: 21-30 for 255 and a TD (plus another TD on the ground).....

That is the difference between the Chiefs and the Browns, and that isn't changing anytime soon.

[RaidersOftheCellar]

The only thing they really excel at is rushing. Isn’t KC pretty much undefeated vs those teams in the Mahomes era? Despite having piss poor run defense for much of it?

[Chris Meck]

Originally Posted by Redbled

Browns are a fine team. I also see them as the 3rd best team in their division. They needed like 5 TOers to beat the Steelers and they seem to struggle against the Ravens. I’d bet money they don’t win the division. Week 2 is a tougher matchup for us though I think we win both games.

Oh, I think the Steelers are in serious decline.

Cleveland is at worst the 2nd best team.

[Why Not?]

Originally Posted by Chris Meck

Oh, I think the Steelers are in serious decline.

Cleveland is at worst the 2nd best team.

I'll be really impressed if the Steelers win 6 games.

[Chris Meck]

Any given Sunday and all that, but I expect that The Chiefs win week one, because they are the better team.

I don't think The Browns will have an answer for a Chiefs team that is no longer weak in the trenches and one dimensional offensively. I think The Chiefs defense is going to be markedly improved. I think something like 34-20 is about right, with one Cleveland TD being a garbage time TD against a prevent D.

I DO think Cleveland is a legit play-off team, and will go somewhere in the 11-5, 12-4 area. Probably good enough to win that division.

I just don't think they're in KC's class, but then I don't know who is in the AFC. Nobody really.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by smithandrew051

Vernon had 9 sacks last year. Clowney had 0.

Sacks aren’t everything, but I have no idea how you could see Clowney as an upgrade at this stage of their careers.

Pff isn't gospel but there pass rush numbers are pretty comparable. Clowney gets doubled more and creates a decent amount of pressures. On run D, he's very good. It's less of a statement of how great clowney is and more to say Vernon is average at best. Keep in mind veach was on the market for him even if it meant giving up decent picks.

But the pass rush is less about the DL talent here and more about how third string DB's can cover more than 1 second. That helps a pass rush out tremendously.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Chris Meck

Any given Sunday and all that, but I expect that The Chiefs win week one, because they are the better team.

I don't think The Browns will have an answer for a Chiefs team that is no longer weak in the trenches and one dimensional offensively. I think The Chiefs defense is going to be markedly improved. I think something like 34-20 is about right, with one Cleveland TD being a garbage time TD against a prevent D.

I DO think Cleveland is a legit play-off team, and will go somewhere in the 11-5, 12-4 area. Probably good enough to win that division.

I just don't think they're in KC's class, but then I don't know who is in the AFC. Nobody really.

100% agree

[Phoneix]

Originally Posted by TwistedChief

Clearly he was referring to the Browns, but how did Saunders make it into a list of productive non-JAG Chiefs players including Matheiu and Sneed?

Well, I guess I owe him a beer. 🤦🏻*♂️

[Phoneix]

Originally Posted by Dunerdr

That is correct. This stooge must be drunk I listed 7 receivers in another thread implying that there’s a 3 way tie for the 6th and Powell who’s probably a lock as a draft pick. And he thinks my argument is that we’re only keeping 5 wideouts.

Oh boy. “Stooge” lulz. You named 5 ding dong. I can grab the quote and put it here. My mistake for thinking you were continuing your rant on the Chiefs players. But name calling already and have been here for 5 minutes. I hope you don’t talk to strangers like that in real life.

Originally Posted by Dunerdr

Exactly he slots up due to the Watkins subtraction. UNLESS you actually believe fountain played his way above Pringle, Robinson and maybe mecole. I see it as 1. Hill, 2 Hardman 3. Robinson, 4 Pringle, 5 kemp/Fountain/ Powell.

I count 5…if you intended to say 6 why not put #6 in there? I know. It’s because you think Kemp and Fountian don’t deserve a roster spot over “draft pick” Powell. 🙄