Open Carry

[HemiEd]

My last two trips to our little town of Branson West resulted in seeing private citizens with a pistol holstered.

I was right behind one in line at the bank and the other one came in to shoot the shit with the barber cutting my hair. The only thing holding the second guys gun in the holster was gravity, no strap.

I am pro gun and all for peoples rights, but why? Why does someone feel they need to be packing heat while running errands?

It makes me pretty uncomfortable to say the least. Is this person stable enough to packing heat? Is he or she sober? Are they worried about a jealous lover or spouse gunning them down? Is there going to be a shootout?

What is your opinion? Are we all going to have to be packing soon? Are we going to regress to 200 years ago, like the wild west?

Who vetted this person to have this weapon in public?

[jdubya]

Originally Posted by Frazod

The problem with that is you can get attacked by some asshole when you're not on your property. And after you're dead, what happens to your stuff doesn't really matter. The main thing is to protect yourself and your loved ones. Stuff can be replaced. Lives can't.

I can't remember how long ago it was that I was at your house watching that game, but if it was after I got my CCL you can be sure I was armed at the time.



I know I'll never live that shit down, but it happened nearly 20 years ago at this point, and since then I've trained and practiced to the point that I operate on an entirely different plane when it comes to firearms, and I never would have taken things so seriously had that boneheaded incident not occurred. Prior to that, I thought I knew everything I needed to about guns. Afterward, I knew I didn't, and addressed it.



One of the things my CCL instructor told us is that if you are ever involved in a shooting, no matter how justified it is, no matter how many witnesses can back you up, you can still assume that you just wrote a check for $50,000, because there are all manner of things that can happen afterward - from shitty responding cops who hate gunowners hauling you off to jail, to overzealous prosecutors who hate gunowners prosecuting you just to support their socialist cause, to family members of the scumbag you capped who will sue you because you murdered their poor baby boy who wouldn't hurt a fly because you're a cold-blooded racist gun nut bastard. Money won't be an issue for the lawyers on the other side; they either get paid by the corrupt state or work on a contingency basis. Your lawyer won't. And that was a long time ago now, so I assume that amount has probably doubled, at least. You don't ever want that shit to happen to you.

Yep, you can help yourself from criminal liability but you cant control those who come after you civilly. Thats why one must seriously consider CCW insurance (although technically its not insurance)

[HemiEd]

Originally Posted by Nirvana58

I probably wouldn't trust any news article that says you don't need a background check to purchase a gun.

That is a good point, but the laws are changing so rapidly here and it seemed legit with the recent date, but I do remember it taking 2 days for Bass Pro Shop to get approval for me to pick up my Glock 19 10 years ago.

I would welcome a link with more correct information if it exists.

Originally Posted by jdubya

I'm friends with a few LEOs and you might be surprised. Many rarely practice with their sidearms after their initial academy. I think some have a false narrative that all cops are master marksmen. The "standards" in most law enforcement agencies aren't as high as you may believe. Not knocking LEOs at all but commenting on standards and training regimens.

Makes a lot of sense as the LEO job is not attracting as many into the profession from what I have read. I am just going to leave it at that before this thread ends up in D.C.

Originally Posted by Frazod

The problem with that is you can get attacked by some asshole when you're not on your property. And after you're dead, what happens to your stuff doesn't really matter. The main thing is to protect yourself and your loved ones. Stuff can be replaced. Lives can't.

I can't remember how long ago it was that I was at your house watching that game, but if it was after I got my CCL you can be sure I was armed at the time.

Yeah, we spend at least 99% of our time home and there are plenty of what ifs that can happen even then.
You were actually there three times that I remember, first time for the new 50" Plasma game in 2005 and another one when you brought your Mustang over then in 2008 you came to drive my Challenger.

Originally Posted by Frazod

I know I'll never live that shit down, but it happened nearly 20 years ago at this point, and since then I've trained and practiced to the point that I operate on an entirely different plane when it comes to firearms, and I never would have taken things so seriously had that boneheaded incident not occurred. Prior to that, I thought I knew everything I needed to about guns. Afterward, I knew I didn't, and addressed it.

I was chomping at the bit to get that zing in there once I saw your post and was doing my best to fit it in the right spot.

Originally Posted by Frazod

One of the things my CCL instructor told us is that if you are ever involved in a shooting, no matter how justified it is, no matter how many witnesses can back you up, you can still assume that you just wrote a check for $50,000, because there are all manner of things that can happen afterward - from shitty responding cops who hate gunowners hauling you off to jail, to overzealous prosecutors who hate gunowners prosecuting you just to support their socialist cause, to family members of the scumbag you capped who will sue you because you murdered their poor baby boy who wouldn't hurt a fly because you're a cold-blooded racist gun nut bastard. Money won't be an issue for the lawyers on the other side; they either get paid by the corrupt state or work on a contingency basis. Your lawyer won't. And that was a long time ago now, so I assume that amount has probably doubled, at least. You don't ever want that shit to happen to you.

This is one of the most valid points in my opinion and one of my main reasons for wanting to stay in my lane. I, more likely than not would **** it up.

I might end up having to carry eventually though, lots of information as I had hoped in this thread.

[jdubya]

Originally Posted by HemiEd

That is a good point, but the laws are changing so rapidly here and it seemed legit with the recent date, but I do remember it taking 2 days for Bass Pro Shop to get approval for me to pick up my Glock 19 10 years ago.

I would welcome a link with more correct information if it exists.



Makes a lot of sense as the LEO job is not attracting as many into the profession from what I have read. I am just going to leave it at that before this thread ends up in D.C.

Yeah, we spend at least 99% of our time home and there are plenty of what ifs that can happen even then.
You were actually there three times that I remember, first time for the new 50" Plasma game in 2005 and another one when you brought your Mustang over then in 2008 you came to drive my Challenger.

I was chomping at the bit to get that zing in there once I saw your post and was doing my best to fit it in the right spot.
This is one of the most valid points in my opinion and one of my main reasons for wanting to stay in my lane. I, more likely than not would **** it up.

I might end up having to carry eventually though, lots of information as I had hoped in this thread.

I hand this book out to everybody I know who is carrying or considering carrying. He explains the 5 elements to consider before using lethal force. Great read

https://www.amazon.com/Self-Defense-.../dp/B087QW3HY3

In fact if you go to his website you can get free copies mailed to you

[HemiEd]

Originally Posted by Nirvana58

What makes them an idiot that is flaunting their weapon?

Because they have a legal tool in a holster?

The point still stands. What makes it any different than the person carrying under their shirt? Why aren't you concerned about them being a drunk, stoned, nut case?

Your argument makes zero sense other than guns are scary.

I have been trying to give you the benefit of the doubt, but are you really this ****ing stupid? Seriously? Or just dense?

I don't ****ing know the guy has the gun that is concealed, thus I don't give a flying **** about his condition. Make any sense yet?

If you go back to back through this thread, multiple posts have indicated idiots flashing their open carry guns and flaunting it because they have a small dick. In my OP, the guy that came into the barber shop to "shoot the shit" with the barber was openly parading the gun around to make sure we all saw it. It was very pretty, had an ivory handle with the American flag symbol on it.

I am very proud of my gun collection, but I am not going to go parading in town to show it off.

[HemiEd]

Originally Posted by jdubya

I hand this book out to everybody I know who is carrying or considering carrying. He explains the 5 elements to consider before using lethal force. Great read

https://www.amazon.com/Self-Defense-.../dp/B087QW3HY3

In fact if you go to his website you can get free copies mailed to you

Thank you, will do!

[Nirvana58]

Originally Posted by HemiEd

I have been trying to give you the benefit of the doubt, but are you really this ****ing stupid? Seriously? Or just dense?

I don't ****ing know the guy has the gun that is concealed, thus I don't give a flying **** about his condition. Make any sense yet?

If you go back to back through this thread, multiple posts have indicated idiots flashing their open carry guns and flaunting it because they have a small dick. In my OP, the guy that came into the barber shop to "shoot the shit" with the barber was openly parading the gun around to make sure we all saw it. It was very pretty, had an ivory handle with the American flag symbol on it.

I am very proud of my gun collection, but I am not going to go parading in town to show it off.

And I am telling you that you getting your panties in a bunch because someone is legally open carrying is beyond stupid.

You have no argument. The person that is concealed carrying is just as dangerous. The only difference is oh my god I see a gun. So scary.

If a person is carrying a gun and it never leaves the holster. Why the **** do you care?

[Iowanian]

Open carry is the pit bull owner of the 2nd amendment. Don’t forget the wife beater uniform.

It’s your right but I’m judging.

That said, open carry nerds aren’t the people to worry about….its people carrying guns without a holster that are your concern.

[HemiEd]

Originally Posted by Nirvana58

And I am telling you that you getting your panties in a bunch because someone is legally open carrying is beyond stupid.

You have no argument. The person that is concealed carrying is just as dangerous. The only difference is oh my god I see a gun. So scary.

If a person is carrying a gun and it never leaves the holster. Why the **** do you care?

I give up, you are not capable of understanding the point. Have a good evening, now **** off.

[-King-]

Originally Posted by Nirvana58

Yeah that is why all these active shooters target places where guns are common.

Or why all the school shootings they make sure to take out the security guard first. Active shooters want to do the most amount of damage before the opposition shows up.

Does open carrying make you a more of a target? I mean theoretically it could. I don't believe statistics would back that up. But it is definitely a deterrent for almost all crime.

Ok now continue that thought. Once he's picked his location and goes there and sees a guy with a gun, the opposition, who do you think he'll kill first? Or do you think he'll see that guy and just decide to do a rain check?

[Nirvana58]

Originally Posted by HemiEd

I give up, you are not capable of understanding the point. Have a good evening, now **** off.

Nice. You have yet to make a point.

I have been more than cordial and you have resorted to name calling.

Tap out acknowledge.

[Nirvana58]

Originally Posted by -King-

Ok now continue that thought. Once he's picked his location and goes there and sees a guy with a gun, the opposition, who do you think he'll kill first? Or do you think he'll see that guy and just decide to do a rain check?

Could go either way.

Most people don't carry for planned active shooters. The chances of that happening is astronomical. Plus I would rather not try to take some one on with say an AR only armed with a pistol.

Like I said before. Theoretically could it make you a target. Yeah if the person cases the joint right before the attack and noted you carrying. Then decided to follow through with their plan.

But statistically does open carrying make you a target for criminals. I would say no. It is way more of a deterrence.

[HemiEd]

Originally Posted by jdubya

I hand this book out to everybody I know who is carrying or considering carrying. He explains the 5 elements to consider before using lethal force. Great read

https://www.amazon.com/Self-Defense-.../dp/B087QW3HY3

In fact if you go to his website you can get free copies mailed to you

Thanks, ended up going to the website and getting it for $8.95 shipping.

[ThaVirus]

Originally Posted by KCUnited

Its the security system in a Siri voice alerting you that you're being recorded

Stepping on their porch okay...maybe, but on the sidewalk, and in some situations on the sidewalk across the street and hearing it, dumb af

But people around here refuse to ride their bikes in the dedicated HUGE bike lanes because they don't feel its safe enough so they ride on the sidewalks weaving in and out of moms with strollers

People are afraid of everything

Originally Posted by KCUnited

Ah, I see. That doesn’t seem so bad.

I mean, yeah, if it’s warning you when you’re walking on the sidewalk then they need to recalibrate, but I understand wanting something like that on your property for the exact scenario shown in the clip you linked.

[George Liquor]

I rarely every carry a gun... normally only if I can throw it in my backpack when I'm fishing or leave it in my glove box say if I plan on being somewhere sketchy all night long and not drinking.

I have a pretty sharp pocket knife that I keep on me almost 24/7 though and I figure that's good enough to ward away any attacker not carrying a gun.

I really do need to get a more comfortable holster for my carry piece. That's the main reason I don't, I find it bulky, uncomfortable and inconvenient.

[jdubya]

Originally Posted by bdj23

I rarely every carry a gun... normally only if I can throw it in my backpack when I'm fishing or leave it in my glove box say if I plan on being somewhere sketchy all night long and not drinking.

I have a pretty sharp pocket knife that I keep on me almost 24/7 though and I figure that's good enough to ward away any attacker not carrying a gun.

I really do need to get a more comfortable holster for my carry piece. That's the main reason I don't, I find it bulky, uncomfortable and inconvenient.

A sharp knife in the hands of someone with basic anatomy knowledge in close quarters is as dangerous as anything. Tueller was onto something

On another note Id recommend keeping a gun anywhere but a glove box. If you are ever approached by LEO, a gun in the glove box is a disaster waiting to happen. Too easy a chance for miscommunication lol