How much sense does Mahomes make for MVP?

[Direckshun]

Historically, including the two times Mahomes has actually won the MVP, the award goes to the quarterback with the gaudiest stats and highlight reel performances.

That's a big reason why, despite his regularly disappearing in the playoffs, Lamar Jackson will be a perennial MVP candidate (until the day he has to retire two seasons from now because his body was snapped in half).

And certainly going by that standard, Lamar should be a frontrunner again this year, alongside Josh Allen. Both QBs are putting up huge stats and making insane plays.

But the QB doing the heaviest lifting this season happens to be the same one who is undefeated.

We saw what happens when a really good QB is deprived of his best weapons yesterday. It was Brock Purdy, and he was largely useless.

Mahomes has made plenty of mistakes but if he cuts down on his most egregious errors, and keeps willing this team to victory after victory, then I absolutely think you have to look at him as MVP. The award is "Most Valuable Player," and Mahomes has proven that even if you kneecap the skill positions all over his offense, he (along with Reid's elite gameplanning) can lead his team to victory after victory.

Naturally, he doesn't care, because he only cares about Super Bowls.

But this guy is the GOAT, and he needs to have a trophy case proving that.

[tredadda]

Originally Posted by ThaVirus

Tbh, we’re a pretty balanced team.

I was looking into the numbers and we’re #10 in offensive yards per game and also #10 in defensive yards per game allowed. The big issue is that we’re #25 in redzone scoring percentage and turning the ball over almost twice per game. That lands us at #13 in offensive PPG and #5 in defensive PPG.

Concerning Pat, we’re actually #12 in passing YPG and #10 in rushing YPG so he’s not really being carried by the running game either. We’re actually only averaging 4.1 YPC on the ground, and that’s including Pat’s rushing yards that bump the average up. Overall, our running game is probably about middle of the pack.

Nothing at all wrong with being balanced. That’s actually a good thing, but it will impact Mahomes’ numbers and his odds of winning MVP x3.

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Maybe not at the time.

But it's possible, I'll grant you.

I won't say Marty is the reason he doesn't have a Super Bowl ring. Bad luck can certainly keep some great coaches from getting one (though there's a reason Marty is the first one to come to mind).

However, there's a difference between 'Doesn't have a ring' and 'loses 3/4 of his playoff games'.

Marty went 5-13 in the post-season, fellas. That's AWFUL. That's not bad luck, that's bad coaching.

I mean just go through the ranks of coaching wins. Lets set the cut-off at 100 wins (that's a damn good, but not great career).

There are just a handful of dudes with playoff records as bad/worse than Marty.

Steve Owen: 2-8
Marvin Lewis: 0-7
Jim Mora: 0-6
Sid Gilman: 1-5
George Allen: 2-7

Steve Owen coached in the 30s. George Allen at least won a conference championship.

So you've got Marty, Marvin, Mora and Sid Gilman.

Those...uh...aren't great coaches. And I'm hard pressed to say the rest of that group was even good.

I don't know how those other coaches faired, but I think Marty did suffer from a lot of bad luck, especially his last season with SD. In his 13 playoff games he only lost by more than 1 score 4 times.

3
3
5
1
1
23
17
10
10
3
4
3
3

Those are the point differentials he lost each playoff game by. He did everything right in his final Chargers game and the team ****ed it up. This is his turnover differential in each playoff loss and what the offense ranked that year in turnovers during the regular season.

1-1 #11
3-1 #1
4-1 #4
2-3 #10
1-2 #2
4-3 #2
3-1 #1
2-1 #8
2-0 #9
4-1 #1
0-2 #2
1-0 #3
4-3 #1

That is 31 turnovers committed by his offenses and 19 turnovers committed by the teams he played against. A -12 turnover differential in playoff games that he lost. That many turnovers for a coach that no one could argue didn't have some of the most disciplined teams in the league year after year and had about the least turnovers on offense every year. His defenses were stingy as shit and they were constantly in the top 10 in takeaways.

So his either something in the way he coached made his offense start turning the ball over and his defense stopped getting those turnovers. That or it was really shit luck. I'll say he had some really bad luck in the biggest games. Just like Frank Clark had the most luck I've ever seen in the biggest games.