Let's talk about the 49ers (Super Bowl Edition)

[TLO]

Well Chiefs vs Packers is what I had hoped for, but that's not happening.

Let's talk about Chiefs vs 49ers here.

[burt]

Originally Posted by BangbangNinerGang

Chief 'fan': PEOPLE SHIT ON YOUR CITY AND THERE ARE HOMELESS ALL OVER THE PLACE. SO WE WILL SHIT, HE WILL SHIT ALL OVER YOU!!!

See??? Gangbangyourmom WANTS to stay!!! Can we keep it???(It because I surely shouldn't assume it's gender)

[TwistedChief]

Originally Posted by Deebo19

A lot of people are saying in order to limit Mahomes you need to keep him in the pocket and force him to go through his reades.

Sort of like what New England did in the second half of their game.

What's the assessment from Chiefs fans?

He wore a knee brace the first time we played the Titans as it was his first week back from injury. He wasn't mobile and didn't have the ability to break the pocket in the same way as he normally would. He threw for 446yds and 3 TDs.

The scary thing is that he's more dangerous outside of the pocket because of his ability to improvise and the fact that our receivers are so fast that they'll eventually find space from your DBs.

Your saving grace is that your DL is athletic and fast and that will make it more difficult for him to do some of what he likes.

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by Deebo19

A lot of people are saying in order to limit Mahomes you need to keep him in the pocket and force him to go through his reades.

Sort of like what New England did in the second half of their game.

What's the assessment from Chiefs fans?

I'd classify that as fake news. He's incredibly effective and decisive from the pocket. It's the biggest progression in his game from 2018 to 2019 (And I believe he set PFF's record for passer rating from the pocket last year).

He moves through his reads quickly, is making reads pre-snap, and is decisive.

The Patriots, because they have the best and deepest group of coverage players in the secondary in the NFL, are best designed to limit the Chiefs offense. They have a lockdown man cover corner who can follow Hill all across the field, and 2 additional excellent cover corners with great speed, plus excellent safeties. They're as effective in man coverage in cover 0 as in more conservative zone coverages.

Mahomes also bruised his throwing hand in first half of the Patriots game and was noticeably different throwing it after halftime. Big drop in velocity.

[rabblerouser]

Originally Posted by Deebo19

I consider holding you guys under 30 as "limiting mahomes."

Which has been done 10 times this year by lesser defenses than the 49ers.

And we have 14 wins so far. You do the math.

[Sassy Squatch]

Originally Posted by Deebo19

I consider holding you guys under 30 as "limiting mahomes."

Which has been done 10 times this year by lesser defenses than the 49ers.

Using the regular season to judge how Mahomes performed and using that for your expectations is faulty since he had both a nagging ankle injury he suffered all the way back in week one that bothered him sporadically until week seven where his kneecap got popped out on the QB sneak. Mobile Mahomes really hasn't been a thing until the playoffs this year. He's been gimpy and still putting up elite tier numbers.

[wachashi]

Originally Posted by Deebo19

A lot of people are saying in order to limit Mahomes you need to keep him in the pocket and force him to go through his reades.

Sort of like what New England did in the second half of their game.

What's the assessment from Chiefs fans?

Mahomes has zero issues "going through reads" or throwing from the pocket. He has excellent vision and will throw to whoever is open. The key to slowing him down just comes down to pressure. Pressure + physical man-to-man coverage has slowed down the offense at times. Chargers took away the deep ball and were able to apply pressure with their front four with Ingram and Bosa. They made Mahomes dink and dunk for the most part, but he converted deep when it mattered most.

[Clyde Frog]

Originally Posted by rabblerouser

I expect a 9er fan to have went to a private school and college at Berkeley before getting a job for a non-profit or daddy's company and donating time at the Free Clinic between force****ing underage conquests and mixing wine with prescription drugs.

Lol! I'm glad I went through the whole thread now.

[DRM08]

Originally Posted by Deebo19

I consider holding you guys under 30 as "limiting mahomes."

Which has been done 10 times this year by lesser defenses than the 49ers.

Mahomes wasn’t there for 2 of them and has been injured for a huge chunk of the season in general. Personally it felt to me like Andy Reid tried to protect him in a lot of those games with a shorter passing game, due to multiple OL who were missing from the lineup and the fact Patrick was banged up. He looks a lot healthier right now and the OL is much healthier now, so we will see what that means for the big game.

[FringeNC]

Originally Posted by TwistedChief

He wore a knee brace the first time we played the Titans as it was his first week back from injury. He wasn't mobile and didn't have the ability to break the pocket in the same way as he normally would. He threw for 446yds and 3 TDs.

The scary thing is that he's more dangerous outside of the pocket because of his ability to improvise and the fact that our receivers are so fast that they'll eventually find space from your DBs.

Your saving grace is that your DL is athletic and fast and that will make it more difficult for him to do some of what he likes.

This will be the first game with a healthy Mahomes, healthy Hill, healthy Fisher that is played in warm weather since when? I think our O could dominate this game.

[Hern]

Originally Posted by burt

No one knows what the **** this means!!!!



Oh, wait....he means me! So cute. But judging by the first quote, you're not catching on at all.....

I refuse to catch on. That’ll mean less lessons from you almighty one.

[BangbangNinerGang]

Originally Posted by DRM08

Mahomes wasn’t there for 2 of them and has been injured for a huge chunk of the season in general. Personally it felt to me like Andy Reid tried to protect him in a lot of those games with a shorter passing game, due to multiple OL who were missing from the lineup and the fact Patrick was banged up. He looks a lot healthier right now and the OL is much healthier now, so we will see what that means for the big game.

How much of your playbook do you think has been opened up? Needing to come back from the 24 point deficit seems like you all put a lot on tape.

[Clyde Frog]

All these trolls were obviously 49ers fans since the Plunkett/DeBurgh days just like they were all fans of the Warriors since the Mullen days. But now they're back to being Lakers fans and have been Lakers fans since the 80's. #BandBandBandwagonGang #AuthenticFans #StrengthInBandwagon

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Originally Posted by BangbangNinerGang

How much of your playbook do you think has been opened up? Needing to come back from the 24 point deficit seems like you all put a lot on tape.

Nah. They didn’t run anything out of the ordinary in that process. Mahomes and the boys just kicked everyone’s ass for 3 quarters.

I highly doubt the Chiefs catch the 9ers way off guard with anything. Yeah Andy is a great offensive mind but this offense is predicated on using their speed to create space and letting Kelce win vs. anyone who tries to cover him. They aren’t reinventing the wheel at 1AD.

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by BangbangNinerGang

Hey man, if you're looking for a decent conversation with Chief 'fans' who know something about football you came to the wrong place. But as an educated person of the game, and a Niner fan, I will take a shot at replying for both parties:

Niner Take: If the D keeps the edge and contains the roll out PM has little chance to go his second or third read based on their pass rush ability. Mahomes, similar to Wilson, has the ability for broken plays resulting in the DB's to cover for a second route, which causes fits.

Chief 'fan': PEOPLE SHIT ON YOUR CITY AND THERE ARE HOMELESS ALL OVER THE PLACE. SO WE WILL SHIT, HE WILL SHIT ALL OVER YOU!!!

Maybe the reason you're not getting the reaction you're looking for, in terms of conversation, is that you're saying stuff with your Niners glasses on like its fact...

Things such as "little chance to go to his second or third read based on their pass rush ability."

Based on what? Yes, the 49ers have a good defensive line. Have you considered how KC's offensive line matches up?

The Chiefs have an excellent pass protecting OL. RT Mitchell Schwartz has been going against elite LE for years and has consistently won those matchups and limited those players.

Khalil Mack, Von Miller, and Joey Bosa ... nonimpact guys against KC with Mahomes under center. Miller and Mack have sacks against KC in that timeframe - and a grand total of 2.5 in 6 games played - but not when lined up on their traditional left side, against Schwartz. Bosa has never sacked Patrick Mahomes.

Eric Fisher is a good LT and is particularly good against finesse rushers like Dee Ford. If you put a power guy on him, he can be leveraged with the bull rush on occasion. James Harrison owned his soul, specifically. Arik Armstead lined up on Fisher actually is probably San Francisco's best matchup against these two; does he line up much on the right side for you? He's been LE every game I've watched this year (5-6).

The interior of the Chiefs' OL isn't special, especially in the run game, but it does a good job in the passing attack. The one time since Mahomes became QB that pressure was a REAL probably was facing off against Aaron Donald last year. DeForest Buckner is a star, but he isn't Aaron Donald when it comes to interior pass rushing. He's not even close to the best interior pass rusher playing in the Super Bowl (that guy wears #95 for KC).

The 49ers front four is good, no doubt. But expecting them to win so consistently and easily against KC that Mahomes is limited to first reads is silly - because it isn't based in fact.

[Halfcan]

Gangbangninergang is the Joe Buck of 49er trolls.