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BURROWHEAD: Bengals talking a lot of sh1ttttt
As for Burrow, he is very Brady like in one regard. His defense carried him just like Brady, but unlike Brady (even early Brady) Burrow shrinks in the end of game moments in the playoffs. Thus, he missed his two best chances at winning one.
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The last 2 years he's played behind a bottom 5 offensive line in the playoffs each time and made a super bowl and another AFCCG. As bad as you say OBj is, he's still better than what they had. The only thing keeping the Bengals from being the 2x defending champs right now is a really shitty, not just bad or average, offensive line. As long as they're healthy, this offense will be fine.
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I've seen a few poke at Mahomes' average air yards last year, especially on TDs. Part of that is the offense evolving to handle the 2-deep safety looks, but some of it is also the offense evolving to cover for Wylie and Brown.
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Joey is 15 months youngers than Pat. And he's just done so, so much less with the opportunities he's been given.
And he's never gonna win shit until Pat retires(which will prolly be after Joey to be fair). Cincy fans should be ecstatic they get to watch their guy go against the GOAT however. |
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Mahomes - 245 Burrow - 199 Sacks, Hits, Hurries: Mahomes - 5, 16, 31 Burrow - 5, 2, 5 Total pressures: Mahomes - 52 Burrow - 12 % of drop backs with some responsibility(fault): (37 QBs qualified @20% of snaps taken) Mahomes - 21.2% (8th highest) Burrow - 6.0% (34th highest) Chiefs OL - 73.9% (32nd highest) Bengals OL - 93.0% (3rd highest) Chiefs LT - 23.7% (17th highest) Bengals LT - 26.6% (11th highest) Mahomes had 46 more drop backs under pressure, they were sacked an equal amount of times and Mahomes was hit or hurried 47 times while Burrow was hit or hurried 7 times. Mahomes was responsible for 21% of the pressures while Burrow was responsible for 6%. The Bengals offensive line was responsible 93% of the time while the Chiefs were 74%. OBj was responsible 24% of the times and Williams was 27%. Five sacks for each while Mahomes had 46 more drop backs makes his sack percentage way lower but that is offset by the amount of times he was hit or hurried on those drop backs.
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Alex, I'll take "Things That Will Never Happen" for $1000.
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Zero TDs in the 4th quarter in the playoffs. They don't call him Joe Cool fot nothing. Cool as in ice cold in the 4th quarter of a playoff game.
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#1150 |
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again, if they want to keep bitching, let it eat at them until they implode
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And of course you ignore the inconvenient fact that Burrow has one of the worst pressure to sack ratios in the NFL. And the other inconvenient fact that Brown is among the worst LTs in pressure rate. Setting yourself up nicely for more disappointment I see. ![]() |
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I bet you can find this exact post on the Seahawks board when they had Wilson trying to explain away his high sack numbers every year. |
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#1153 | |
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The first 2 weeks were brutal with 13 total sacks. Sack to pressure i touched on a couple posts above.
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Even if we took PFF's read on this as gospel (note: no one should, and it especially doesn't fly around here), the bolded piece is the part at which you should be looking. That's a small separation between Williams and Brown, and a lot of your fellow fans seem to think Brown is a transformative upgrade (and that's understandable, a lot of national pundits believe that, too). There's also the matter of Burrow being sacked an additional 36 times in 2022 when not "Under pressure" by breakdown, vs. 21 times for Mahomes. That's where the need to escape will REALLY come in with Orlando Brown at LT. When he faces an outside speed rush of any quality at all, Brown HAS to win ugly by pushing his man wide of the pocket. This is a tactic that works, generally, when you're on schedule and the ball comes out on time. When you have a QB holding the ball and waiting for things to develop down field, it's much more of an issue. Mahomes and the Chiefs were able to make it work in 2022 and be an efficient offense by getting the ball out quicker, using the RB and multiple TE sets to chip the Es and slow down the outside rush, and having the best G-C-G trio in the NFL, which usually afforded Mahomes space to step up in the pocket. That recipe wasn't there for Cincinnati a year ago. And honestly, if this data set is designed to show how often a QB is sacked when his OL gives up quick pressure, I think the story it tells is a NEGATIVE for Cincinnati. If Burrow was sacked 36 times when his line did not give up "quick pressure," adding Orlando Brown Jr. at LT isn't really a fix for that. He's not going to get bull rushed often and give up quick pressure (unless a pass rusher with speed and power has been whipping him to the outside and he starts cheating there, then gets beat across his face), but that secondary pressure where you're 3-4 seconds into the play and the DE has run the arc and is bending back to pursue back towards the LOS is an issue for him. This story isn't going to end how you and the Bengals think it is.
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Joe Burrow has played 6 playoff games and has not thrown a single TD in the 4th quarter of any of those games.
He relies on YOLO balls to Chase/Higgins and Lou to bail him out. He's good but not in the playoffs
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