Home Discord Chat
Go Back   ChiefsPlanet > Nzoner's Game Room
Register FAQDonate Members List Calendar

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 01-24-2019, 04:33 PM  
TLO TLO is offline
Life is changing..
 
TLO's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: NW Missouri
Casino cash: $-1090000
Chiefs hire Steve Spagnuolo as new defensive coordinator

Posts: 42,213
TLO is obviously part of the inner Circle.TLO is obviously part of the inner Circle.TLO is obviously part of the inner Circle.TLO is obviously part of the inner Circle.TLO is obviously part of the inner Circle.TLO is obviously part of the inner Circle.TLO is obviously part of the inner Circle.TLO is obviously part of the inner Circle.TLO is obviously part of the inner Circle.TLO is obviously part of the inner Circle.TLO is obviously part of the inner Circle.
    Reply With Quote
Old 01-27-2019, 10:41 PM   #1111
Chiefspants Chiefspants is offline
World's Best Boss
 
Chiefspants's Avatar
 

Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Bronco Country
Casino cash: $4114654
Quote:
Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 View Post
His cap hit is $21M for this year. Can save $14M if he’s released.

He was really good down the stretch, but $21M good?
I'd argue he's 14m good over 16 games, which is our maximum return value without him.

I don't think we can exceed his value by letting him go (at best, we may be able to replace it).

He's also repeatedly come through in big moments and worked to lead the team. Not sure why the negativity about Berry is being applied to him.
Posts: 19,028
Chiefspants is obviously part of the inner Circle.Chiefspants is obviously part of the inner Circle.Chiefspants is obviously part of the inner Circle.Chiefspants is obviously part of the inner Circle.Chiefspants is obviously part of the inner Circle.Chiefspants is obviously part of the inner Circle.Chiefspants is obviously part of the inner Circle.Chiefspants is obviously part of the inner Circle.Chiefspants is obviously part of the inner Circle.Chiefspants is obviously part of the inner Circle.Chiefspants is obviously part of the inner Circle.
Thumbs Up 1 Thumbs Down 0     Reply With Quote
Old 01-27-2019, 10:44 PM   #1112
pugsnotdrugs19 pugsnotdrugs19 is offline
SUPER BOWL CHAMPIONS
 
pugsnotdrugs19's Avatar
 

Join Date: Aug 2013
Casino cash: $7829447
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chiefspants View Post
I'd argue he's 14m good over 16 games, which is our maximum return value without him.

I don't think we can exceed his value by letting him go (at best, we may be able to replace it).

He's also repeatedly come through in big moments and worked to lead the team. Not sure why the negativity about Berry is being applied to him.
Not so much negativity as just hoping KC can get some cap relief there. If he’d play for even $16M, it’d help a ton.

He probably can’t get more than that on the open market.
Posts: 27,795
pugsnotdrugs19 is obviously part of the inner Circle.pugsnotdrugs19 is obviously part of the inner Circle.pugsnotdrugs19 is obviously part of the inner Circle.pugsnotdrugs19 is obviously part of the inner Circle.pugsnotdrugs19 is obviously part of the inner Circle.pugsnotdrugs19 is obviously part of the inner Circle.pugsnotdrugs19 is obviously part of the inner Circle.pugsnotdrugs19 is obviously part of the inner Circle.pugsnotdrugs19 is obviously part of the inner Circle.pugsnotdrugs19 is obviously part of the inner Circle.pugsnotdrugs19 is obviously part of the inner Circle.
Thumbs Up 1 Thumbs Down 0     Reply With Quote
Old 01-27-2019, 10:45 PM   #1113
Sweet Daddy Hate Sweet Daddy Hate is offline
Unsparing
 
Sweet Daddy Hate's Avatar
 

Join Date: Aug 2008
Casino cash: $10004900
The players that are currently under discussion are the exact type of players that BB will pull out his unmerciful, fine-tooth comb to assess, and will cut any and all dead weight and dollars without even blinking.

Which is what WE need to be doing.
__________________
1. Merciless, severe. 2. Given freely and generously.
100% refusal to overrate 20 year Head Coaches with ZERO ****ing rings as a Head Coach.
CP's Official Professor of 'Dem Blues for 2019/2020!
Posts: 77,135
Sweet Daddy Hate is obviously part of the inner Circle.Sweet Daddy Hate is obviously part of the inner Circle.Sweet Daddy Hate is obviously part of the inner Circle.Sweet Daddy Hate is obviously part of the inner Circle.Sweet Daddy Hate is obviously part of the inner Circle.Sweet Daddy Hate is obviously part of the inner Circle.Sweet Daddy Hate is obviously part of the inner Circle.Sweet Daddy Hate is obviously part of the inner Circle.Sweet Daddy Hate is obviously part of the inner Circle.Sweet Daddy Hate is obviously part of the inner Circle.Sweet Daddy Hate is obviously part of the inner Circle.
Thumbs Up 1 Thumbs Down 0     Reply With Quote
Old 01-27-2019, 10:56 PM   #1114
RunKC RunKC is online now
Andy Reid Supporter
 
RunKC's Avatar
 

Join Date: Apr 2012
Casino cash: $-140389
Quote:
Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 View Post
Not so much negativity as just hoping KC can get some cap relief there. If he’d play for even $16M, it’d help a ton.

He probably can’t get more than that on the open market.
Hope we make him a nice deal to lower his cap hit next Fall and then extend his contract to a fair deal for an older player.

Probably something like turn some of his salary in 2019 into guaranteed money.
__________________
Mike Greenberg@Espngreeny
I can’t fathom what it must be like to be a fan of the #Chiefs.


Adopt a Chief: Jared Wiley
Posts: 49,672
RunKC is obviously part of the inner Circle.RunKC is obviously part of the inner Circle.RunKC is obviously part of the inner Circle.RunKC is obviously part of the inner Circle.RunKC is obviously part of the inner Circle.RunKC is obviously part of the inner Circle.RunKC is obviously part of the inner Circle.RunKC is obviously part of the inner Circle.RunKC is obviously part of the inner Circle.RunKC is obviously part of the inner Circle.RunKC is obviously part of the inner Circle.
Thumbs Up 1 Thumbs Down 0     Reply With Quote
Old 01-27-2019, 11:09 PM   #1115
RunKC RunKC is online now
Andy Reid Supporter
 
RunKC's Avatar
 

Join Date: Apr 2012
Casino cash: $-140389
This is what pissed me off about Houston. Dude had to be motivated by Justin Hamilton to make a play? We paying $21 mill for that shit?!?!

Love the talent but he’s old and we can’t be paying him that much anymore. He is way overpaid for what he is at this point.

__________________
Mike Greenberg@Espngreeny
I can’t fathom what it must be like to be a fan of the #Chiefs.


Adopt a Chief: Jared Wiley

Last edited by RunKC; 01-27-2019 at 11:16 PM..
Posts: 49,672
RunKC is obviously part of the inner Circle.RunKC is obviously part of the inner Circle.RunKC is obviously part of the inner Circle.RunKC is obviously part of the inner Circle.RunKC is obviously part of the inner Circle.RunKC is obviously part of the inner Circle.RunKC is obviously part of the inner Circle.RunKC is obviously part of the inner Circle.RunKC is obviously part of the inner Circle.RunKC is obviously part of the inner Circle.RunKC is obviously part of the inner Circle.
    Reply With Quote
Old 01-27-2019, 11:10 PM   #1116
Chiefspants Chiefspants is offline
World's Best Boss
 
Chiefspants's Avatar
 

Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Bronco Country
Casino cash: $4114654
Quote:
Originally Posted by RunKC View Post
Hope we make him a nice deal to lower his cap hit next Fall and then extend his contract to a fair deal for an older player.

Probably something like turn some of his salary in 2019 into guaranteed money.
I am 100% behind this.

If it were me, I’d say goodbye to EB this off-season, trade Dee and re-structure JH. If JH doesn’t re-structure I’d hold onto him one more year.

If JH wasn’t still a top 3 impact guy, I’d be willing to part ways - but not when we’re already losing our top rusher from the other side (Ford). If I trusted Veach to draft I’d feel differently, but Speaks hasn’t shown he can be a suitable replacement for anyone so far, so the defense would have to add even more enormous holes to fill.
Posts: 19,028
Chiefspants is obviously part of the inner Circle.Chiefspants is obviously part of the inner Circle.Chiefspants is obviously part of the inner Circle.Chiefspants is obviously part of the inner Circle.Chiefspants is obviously part of the inner Circle.Chiefspants is obviously part of the inner Circle.Chiefspants is obviously part of the inner Circle.Chiefspants is obviously part of the inner Circle.Chiefspants is obviously part of the inner Circle.Chiefspants is obviously part of the inner Circle.Chiefspants is obviously part of the inner Circle.
Thumbs Up 1 Thumbs Down 0     Reply With Quote
Old 01-27-2019, 11:16 PM   #1117
RealSNR RealSNR is online now
Special Teams ACE!!!
 
RealSNR's Avatar
 

Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Where the hell is SNR
Casino cash: $-34792
Quote:
Originally Posted by RunKC View Post
This is what pissed me off about Houston. Dude had to be motivated by Justin Hamilton to make a play? We paying $21 mill for that shit?!?!

Love the talent but he’s old and we can’t be paying him that much anymore.

Then **** Aaron Donald and Kahlil Mack, too. They have plenty of questionable effort plays per game.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by Reaper16 View Post
I would read an entire blog of SNR breaking down athletes' musical capabilities like draft scouting reports.
Posts: 92,420
RealSNR is obviously part of the inner Circle.RealSNR is obviously part of the inner Circle.RealSNR is obviously part of the inner Circle.RealSNR is obviously part of the inner Circle.RealSNR is obviously part of the inner Circle.RealSNR is obviously part of the inner Circle.RealSNR is obviously part of the inner Circle.RealSNR is obviously part of the inner Circle.RealSNR is obviously part of the inner Circle.RealSNR is obviously part of the inner Circle.RealSNR is obviously part of the inner Circle.
    Reply With Quote
Old 01-27-2019, 11:29 PM   #1118
CoMoChief CoMoChief is offline
Mahomes Dynasty
 
CoMoChief's Avatar
 

Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Parts Unknown
Casino cash: $7782254
I sure hope Speaks can succeed in this scheme. IMO it would appear this would be a more natural fit for him, similar to what he played in college. He is the same size as Aaron Donald, so playing him at DT wouldn't be out of the norm. He'd be quicker off the snap than your average DT. Speaks needs to watch tape on Donald, call his ass up in the offseason and workout w/ the guy. Prob wouldnt ever happen but I can wish.

I've always hated the pick...I still currently do but Spags hire has given me a slight glimpse of some hope. Always thought he was horribly out of position, slow, fat, lethargic, and not built in anyway for a 34OLB, just a stupid pick, especially since the Chiefs moved up for him IIRC, and considering it was a massive reach to begin with.

I dont understand tagging Ford. He's absolutely TERRIBLE in run support. I just cant see the guy putting his hand in the dirt. I mean he wouldn't have to drop in coverage, but I just think it's a dumb idea to tag a situational 1trick pony, unless they plan on tagging/trading him? Usually you'd want a deal in place before making that move.
__________________

Last edited by CoMoChief; 01-28-2019 at 12:13 AM..
Posts: 39,217
CoMoChief is too fat/Omaha.CoMoChief is too fat/Omaha.CoMoChief is too fat/Omaha.CoMoChief is too fat/Omaha.CoMoChief is too fat/Omaha.CoMoChief is too fat/Omaha.CoMoChief is too fat/Omaha.CoMoChief is too fat/Omaha.CoMoChief is too fat/Omaha.CoMoChief is too fat/Omaha.CoMoChief is too fat/Omaha.
Thumbs Up 1 Thumbs Down 0     Reply With Quote
Old 01-28-2019, 12:32 AM   #1119
Warrick Warrick is offline
Starter
 
Warrick's Avatar
 

Join Date: Feb 2013
Casino cash: $7954907
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chiefspants View Post
If I trusted Veach to draft I’d feel differently, but Speaks hasn’t shown he can be a suitable replacement for anyone so far, so the defense would have to add even more enormous holes to fill.
Had Veach drafted Donte Jackson instead of Speaks the Chiefs might be singing a different tune right now. Regardless, he knew we needed a couple of cornerbacks in the draft and yet he did nothing in the earlier rounds to help this team.

Last edited by Warrick; 01-28-2019 at 12:39 AM..
Posts: 755
Warrick has disabled reputation
    Reply With Quote
Old 01-28-2019, 07:33 AM   #1120
Chris Meck Chris Meck is offline
MVP
 
Chris Meck's Avatar
 

Join Date: May 2001
Location: midtown KC
Casino cash: $104910
Quote:
Originally Posted by CoMoChief View Post
I sure hope Speaks can succeed in this scheme. IMO it would appear this would be a more natural fit for him, similar to what he played in college. He is the same size as Aaron Donald, so playing him at DT wouldn't be out of the norm. He'd be quicker off the snap than your average DT. Speaks needs to watch tape on Donald, call his ass up in the offseason and workout w/ the guy. Prob wouldnt ever happen but I can wish.

I've always hated the pick...I still currently do but Spags hire has given me a slight glimpse of some hope. Always thought he was horribly out of position, slow, fat, lethargic, and not built in anyway for a 34OLB, just a stupid pick, especially since the Chiefs moved up for him IIRC, and considering it was a massive reach to begin with.

I dont understand tagging Ford. He's absolutely TERRIBLE in run support. I just cant see the guy putting his hand in the dirt. I mean he wouldn't have to drop in coverage, but I just think it's a dumb idea to tag a situational 1trick pony, unless they plan on tagging/trading him? Usually you'd want a deal in place before making that move.
mostly agree, although I think Speaks is your LDE. I have suspicions that a move to the 4-3 was always the plan.

The only reason you tag Ford is to trade him, which I'm pretty sure is also the plan.

JH they will try to restructure for cap relief, and if they can get that done, he's a fine RDE.
Posts: 18,149
Chris Meck is obviously part of the inner Circle.Chris Meck is obviously part of the inner Circle.Chris Meck is obviously part of the inner Circle.Chris Meck is obviously part of the inner Circle.Chris Meck is obviously part of the inner Circle.Chris Meck is obviously part of the inner Circle.Chris Meck is obviously part of the inner Circle.Chris Meck is obviously part of the inner Circle.Chris Meck is obviously part of the inner Circle.Chris Meck is obviously part of the inner Circle.Chris Meck is obviously part of the inner Circle.
    Reply With Quote
Old 01-28-2019, 07:46 AM   #1121
BleedingRed BleedingRed is offline
Banned
 

Join Date: Mar 2016
Location: Houston, Tx
Casino cash: $3290400
What do you guys think about tagging and trading ford for Clowney?
Posts: 28,395
BleedingRed is obviously part of the inner Circle.BleedingRed is obviously part of the inner Circle.BleedingRed is obviously part of the inner Circle.BleedingRed is obviously part of the inner Circle.BleedingRed is obviously part of the inner Circle.BleedingRed is obviously part of the inner Circle.BleedingRed is obviously part of the inner Circle.BleedingRed is obviously part of the inner Circle.BleedingRed is obviously part of the inner Circle.BleedingRed is obviously part of the inner Circle.BleedingRed is obviously part of the inner Circle.
    Reply With Quote
Old 01-28-2019, 07:56 AM   #1122
MIAdragon MIAdragon is offline
Someone pass the antifreeze
 
MIAdragon's Avatar
 

Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Miami (North Cuba)
Casino cash: $-802181
Quote:
Originally Posted by BleedingRed View Post
What do you guys think about tagging and trading ford for Clowney?
Srsly
Posts: 15,900
MIAdragon has enough rep power to blowy ou to bits.MIAdragon has enough rep power to blowy ou to bits.MIAdragon has enough rep power to blowy ou to bits.MIAdragon has enough rep power to blowy ou to bits.MIAdragon has enough rep power to blowy ou to bits.MIAdragon has enough rep power to blowy ou to bits.MIAdragon has enough rep power to blowy ou to bits.MIAdragon has enough rep power to blowy ou to bits.MIAdragon has enough rep power to blowy ou to bits.MIAdragon has enough rep power to blowy ou to bits.MIAdragon has enough rep power to blowy ou to bits.
    Reply With Quote
Old 01-28-2019, 08:08 AM   #1123
BleedingRed BleedingRed is offline
Banned
 

Join Date: Mar 2016
Location: Houston, Tx
Casino cash: $3290400
Quote:
Originally Posted by MIAdragon View Post
Srsly
Yeah I doubt Houston keeps him, tagged player for tagged player...
Posts: 28,395
BleedingRed is obviously part of the inner Circle.BleedingRed is obviously part of the inner Circle.BleedingRed is obviously part of the inner Circle.BleedingRed is obviously part of the inner Circle.BleedingRed is obviously part of the inner Circle.BleedingRed is obviously part of the inner Circle.BleedingRed is obviously part of the inner Circle.BleedingRed is obviously part of the inner Circle.BleedingRed is obviously part of the inner Circle.BleedingRed is obviously part of the inner Circle.BleedingRed is obviously part of the inner Circle.
    Reply With Quote
Old 01-28-2019, 08:14 AM   #1124
tmax63 tmax63 is offline
Veteran
 

Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Colorado
Casino cash: $1493600
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris Meck View Post
We really don't want to HAVE to start like 4 rookies.
edit-I guess it'd be like 3 by my count, at SAM, one CB, and a S. Plus whoever's going to play on first down and any down less than 4 yards in Ford's spot. I mean it just doesn't make sense.
Depends on what you're calling a rookie. I can see Fuller and Ward as the CB and Watts/Lucas as Safeties. Ward, Watts, and Lucas all got in some playing time this year. Ward showed real week to week improvement and I see him as CB2. I think it would take a really special rookie to beat him out next spring. Safety, with or without EB, is a question. Didn't get to see enough of Watts or Lucas playing to get a good gauge on where their at. I thought both showed promise but Lucas did it in less playing time.

I still surprised at how well the Chiefs defensive players match up to a 4-3 alignment without any changes. Only talking a couple of guys who "don't fit" somewhere, almost all the arguments here is cost/production which is the same arguments we have here year after year after year after year...
__________________
An armed member of society is a citizen, an unarmed member is a subject.
Posts: 3,911
tmax63 Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.tmax63 Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.tmax63 Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.tmax63 Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.tmax63 Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.tmax63 Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.tmax63 Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.tmax63 Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.tmax63 Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.tmax63 Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.tmax63 Forgot to Remove His Claytex and Got Toxic Shock Syndrome.
    Reply With Quote
Old 01-28-2019, 08:23 AM   #1125
Chris Meck Chris Meck is offline
MVP
 
Chris Meck's Avatar
 

Join Date: May 2001
Location: midtown KC
Casino cash: $104910
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sweet Daddy Hate View Post
The players that are currently under discussion are the exact type of players that BB will pull out his unmerciful, fine-tooth comb to assess, and will cut any and all dead weight and dollars without even blinking.

Which is what WE need to be doing.
That's true-except that BB always has drafted the next guy who is right behind him on the depth chart. We've got some glaring holes.

I could easily move on from Berry, Houston, Bailey, Sorensen, Nelson, and Ford, signing stopgap vets to short deals to play for a year or two while we draft and develop youngsters behind them. I think over the long term that is the smart path, as the bulk of our cap will be spent on the offense going forward. Drafting and developing is going to be THE key.
Posts: 18,149
Chris Meck is obviously part of the inner Circle.Chris Meck is obviously part of the inner Circle.Chris Meck is obviously part of the inner Circle.Chris Meck is obviously part of the inner Circle.Chris Meck is obviously part of the inner Circle.Chris Meck is obviously part of the inner Circle.Chris Meck is obviously part of the inner Circle.Chris Meck is obviously part of the inner Circle.Chris Meck is obviously part of the inner Circle.Chris Meck is obviously part of the inner Circle.Chris Meck is obviously part of the inner Circle.
Thumbs Up 1 Thumbs Down 0     Reply With Quote
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump




All times are GMT -6. The time now is 11:09 AM.


This is a test for a client's site.
Fort Worth Texas Process Servers
Covering Arlington, Fort Worth, Grand Prairie and surrounding communities.
Tarrant County, Texas and Johnson County, Texas.
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.