Royals 2013 Kansas City Royals Repository Thread - Page 74

duncan_idaho · 10:01 AM

Proposed 2013 Slogan: Tigers: They're what's for dinner
Actual 2013 Slogan: Come to Play
A better, more accurate, or alternative slogan: All in, no panic, we promise.

Dayton Moore has pushed all his chips in and is riding on King/Jack suited, hoping it comes together, he gets some good luck, and he hits the nuts by the river card. There's potential, oh yes, there's potential. There's also risk.

At the midway point, Dayton is left counting on the river card. The flop and turn didn't help him, and he's looking at the Tigers holding a pair of Queens and the Indians holding a pair of 9s. His 2013 plan hasn't failed - yet - but the odds are not in his favor.

Burning questions updates below.

Burning Questions for 2013:

1) Will the improve rotation be improved enough? Does James Shields pitch like a fringe No. 1 away from Tampa Bay? Does Ervin Santana pitch to his highest upside in his walk year? Can Jeremy Guthrie build on his strong performance as a Royal in 2012? Can Wade Davis bring his new mentality- and velocity - back to the rotation?

Midseason check-in: Yes, the rotation is certainly improved enough. Shields has pitched like a fringe No. 1 and Santana is having his best season. Guthrie has horrible peripherals but has continued to perform well at his home park and eat innings on the road. Davis brought neither his kick-ass mentality or improved velocity back to the rotation and is in Luke Hochevar/Hiram Davies territory.

2) When will Luke Hochevar be shown the door?
Midseason check-in: It appears, never, at this point. Hochevar has been solid in non-leverage situations, though pretty much every time he has been used with men on base in an inning, it has been a disaster.

3) Does Hosmer bounce back?
Midseason check-in: It took some time, but Hosmer's performance from June 1 on is probably the most encouraging thing about the 2013 season so far.
4) Can Moustakas hit for a whole season like he did in the first half of 2012?
Midseason check-in: Nope. Moustakas was god-awful, then great for about 3 weeks, then god-awful again. He has been better since he started working with Brett and Grafol but still has a long way to go.
5) Who regresses?
Midseason check-in: Welp, Alicides Escobar is not a surprising name here (though Yost's stubborn insistence on hitting him second is ridiculous). Billy Butler is a surprise. He isn't having a terrible year - still contributing a lot to the offense - but he's not hitting for the average or power he has displayed over the past several years.
6) Who plays 2B?
Midseason check-in: A whole bunch of people, and not that great. Gio is at least getting a shot, though he once again is not doing much with it.
7) Can Jeff Francoeur be at least replacement level, rather than epic horrible level?
Midseason check-in: Hahahahahahahahahahaha
8) Will Dayton Moore survive to see 2014?
Midseason check-in: Outlook uncertain. Probably still around, unless the team completely tanks in the second half and he does something foolish. My guess - he sacrifices Ned Yost this offseason and gets one more shot with a new manager in 2014.
9) Will Danny Duffy come back healthy? And if he does, is he the same, better or worse?
Midseason check-in: Yes. Velocity looks the same, and it looks likely he is the same guy as before.
10) And the big one: Has KC added enough to run down the big-money Detroit Tigers?
Midseason check-in: Doesn't look like it, does it?

**alnorth** · 03-03-2013, 11:24 AM

This team would obviously need a lot of luck to beat the Tigers. How much luck, though?

What do you think is the highest, real, no-luck expected win total for this team?

**gblowfish** · 03-03-2013, 11:51 AM

They had the Royals salaries in the paper this AM. This year is the most they've ever spent on payroll, $79 million. Here's some stuff that blows me away:

Ho-Chaser is the 7th highest paid player. Santana, Shields and Guthrie are the only pitchers to make more.

Frenchy makes seven times more than Salvy Perez and twice as much as Escobar. That's a frickin' crime.

Hoz, Moose, Holland, Herrera, Collins, Mendoza, Dyson, Duffy and Cain are all between 500 and 600 thou.

I guess when you're a player, you can't let guys like Hoch and Frenchy stealing money bother you. It would sure bother me if I were a starter.

**DeezNutz** · 03-03-2013, 12:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alnorth

This team would obviously need a lot of luck to beat the Tigers. How much luck, though?

What do you think is the highest, real, no-luck expected win total for this team?

Assuming that all individuals playing to the peak potential isn't "luck"?

90 games.

stevenidol · 03-03-2013, 01:03 PM

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Jon Heyman ‏@JonHeymanCBS
don't be shocked if kc #royals are in contention this year. Nice positional mix, strong pitching staff. They look good.

They're getting noticed.

stevenidol · 03-03-2013, 01:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gblowfish

They had the Royals salaries in the paper this AM. This year is the most they've ever spent on payroll, $79 million. Here's some stuff that blows me away:

Ho-Chaser is the 7th highest paid player. Santana, Shields and Guthrie are the only pitchers to make more.

Frenchy makes seven times more than Salvy Perez and twice as much as Escobar. That's a frickin' crime.

Hoz, Moose, Holland, Herrera, Collins, Mendoza, Dyson, Duffy and Cain are all between 500 and 600 thou.

I guess when you're a player, you can't let guys like Hoch and Frenchy stealing money bother you. It would sure bother me if I were a starter.

Frenchy signed a free agent deal. Hochevar is arbitration eligible. Salvy and Escobar are both not eligible for either. That's the way it works in baseball and the players know that. Unfortunately for them they signed crap deals that take away their arbitration and a couple of FA years. Not unfortunate for the cheap-o Royals though.

BlackHelicopters · 03-03-2013, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Assuming that all individuals playing to the peak potential isn't "luck"?

90 games.

JIMP

Pablo · 03-03-2013, 01:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stevenidol

They're getting noticed.

must. not. get. hopes. up.

BlackHelicopters · 03-03-2013, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by stevenidol

They're getting noticed.

I would rather go unnoticed. Sneak up on the whole AL.

tk13 · 03-03-2013, 01:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gblowfish

They had the Royals salaries in the paper this AM. This year is the most they've ever spent on payroll, $79 million. Here's some stuff that blows me away:

Ho-Chaser is the 7th highest paid player. Santana, Shields and Guthrie are the only pitchers to make more.

Frenchy makes seven times more than Salvy Perez and twice as much as Escobar. That's a frickin' crime.

Hoz, Moose, Holland, Herrera, Collins, Mendoza, Dyson, Duffy and Cain are all between 500 and 600 thou.

I guess when you're a player, you can't let guys like Hoch and Frenchy stealing money bother you. It would sure bother me if I were a starter.

That payroll will go up during the year. The most I believe they actually spent on payroll over a whole season was $81 million a few years back during the Meche-era. And that was on top of being near the top of spending in the draft and Latin America.

But those salaries are normal for young players early in their first contract. That'll start going up soon. If they turn into what we hope they will, DM will have some brutal decisions to make.

Nightfyre · 03-03-2013, 02:11 PM

The Tigers have been scared of the Royals potential for the past couple years now. Them re-signing Anibal Sanchez was a direct response to the Shields trade, imo.

RedDread · 03-03-2013, 02:26 PM

There are signs that Detroit's clubhouse isn't the best right now. The question is if that will translate to under performance on the field. With what they had on paper and a weak central division, they should have won 95+ last year.

KCUnited · 03-03-2013, 02:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RedDread

There are signs that Detroit's clubhouse isn't the best right now. The question is if that will translate to under performance on the field. With what they had on paper and a weak central division, they should have won 95+ last year.

We are the reigning clubhouse champions, so we have that going for us.

Jenson71 · 03-03-2013, 02:35 PM

Nice to hear Denny Matthews again.

KChiefs1 · 03-03-2013, 02:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tk13

Moose and Hosmer both homered today and drove in 2 runs. Hosmer also doubled twice. Guthrie had a rusty first start, but Mendoza pitched 2 scoreless innings and got the win. Royals still undefeated.

I'm getting excited!

Al Bundy · 03-03-2013, 02:42 PM

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2013/0...medium=twitter

With the Royals will likely open the season with a club-record $79MM payroll, Bob Dutton of the Kansas City Star doesn't anticipate any contract extensions for the team's young talent especially Eric Hosmer, a Scott Boras client.
The Royals will keep their eye on the outfield trade market, tweets CBSSports.com's Danny Knobler.

12-11-2012, 09:59 AM
duncan_idaho M-I-Z-Z-O-U Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Kansas City Casino cash: $-1889692	2013 Kansas City Royals Repository Thread Proposed 2013 Slogan: Tigers: They're what's for dinner Actual 2013 Slogan: Come to Play A better, more accurate, or alternative slogan: All in, no panic, we promise. Dayton Moore has pushed all his chips in and is riding on King/Jack suited, hoping it comes together, he gets some good luck, and he hits the nuts by the river card. There's potential, oh yes, there's potential. There's also risk. At the midway point, Dayton is left counting on the river card. The flop and turn didn't help him, and he's looking at the Tigers holding a pair of Queens and the Indians holding a pair of 9s. His 2013 plan hasn't failed - yet - but the odds are not in his favor. Burning questions updates below. Burning Questions for 2013: 1) Will the improve rotation be improved enough? Does James Shields pitch like a fringe No. 1 away from Tampa Bay? Does Ervin Santana pitch to his highest upside in his walk year? Can Jeremy Guthrie build on his strong performance as a Royal in 2012? Can Wade Davis bring his new mentality- and velocity - back to the rotation? Midseason check-in: Yes, the rotation is certainly improved enough. Shields has pitched like a fringe No. 1 and Santana is having his best season. Guthrie has horrible peripherals but has continued to perform well at his home park and eat innings on the road. Davis brought neither his kick-ass mentality or improved velocity back to the rotation and is in Luke Hochevar/Hiram Davies territory. 2) When will Luke Hochevar be shown the door? Midseason check-in: It appears, never, at this point. Hochevar has been solid in non-leverage situations, though pretty much every time he has been used with men on base in an inning, it has been a disaster. 3) Does Hosmer bounce back? Midseason check-in: It took some time, but Hosmer's performance from June 1 on is probably the most encouraging thing about the 2013 season so far. 4) Can Moustakas hit for a whole season like he did in the first half of 2012? Midseason check-in: Nope. Moustakas was god-awful, then great for about 3 weeks, then god-awful again. He has been better since he started working with Brett and Grafol but still has a long way to go. 5) Who regresses? Midseason check-in: Welp, Alicides Escobar is not a surprising name here (though Yost's stubborn insistence on hitting him second is ridiculous). Billy Butler is a surprise. He isn't having a terrible year - still contributing a lot to the offense - but he's not hitting for the average or power he has displayed over the past several years. 6) Who plays 2B? Midseason check-in: A whole bunch of people, and not that great. Gio is at least getting a shot, though he once again is not doing much with it. 7) Can Jeff Francoeur be at least replacement level, rather than epic horrible level? Midseason check-in: Hahahahahahahahahahaha 8) Will Dayton Moore survive to see 2014? Midseason check-in: Outlook uncertain. Probably still around, unless the team completely tanks in the second half and he does something foolish. My guess - he sacrifices Ned Yost this offseason and gets one more shot with a new manager in 2014. 9) Will Danny Duffy come back healthy? And if he does, is he the same, better or worse? Midseason check-in: Yes. Velocity looks the same, and it looks likely he is the same guy as before. 10) And the big one: Has KC added enough to run down the big-money Detroit Tigers? Midseason check-in: Doesn't look like it, does it? Last edited by duncan_idaho; 07-15-2013 at 10:01 AM..
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gblowfish Be Kind To Your Pets Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Glorious Independence, MO Casino cash: $16896178 VARSITY	They had the Royals salaries in the paper this AM. This year is the most they've ever spent on payroll, $79 million. Here's some stuff that blows me away: Ho-Chaser is the 7th highest paid player. Santana, Shields and Guthrie are the only pitchers to make more. Frenchy makes seven times more than Salvy Perez and twice as much as Escobar. That's a frickin' crime. Hoz, Moose, Holland, Herrera, Collins, Mendoza, Dyson, Duffy and Cain are all between 500 and 600 thou. I guess when you're a player, you can't let guys like Hoch and Frenchy stealing money bother you. It would sure bother me if I were a starter.
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RedDread Veteran Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Back in KC Casino cash: $10007771	There are signs that Detroit's clubhouse isn't the best right now. The question is if that will translate to under performance on the field. With what they had on paper and a weak central division, they should have won 95+ last year.
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Al Bundy Damnit Peg Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Overland Park Casino cash: $3541831	http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2013/0...medium=twitter With the Royals will likely open the season with a club-record $79MM payroll, Bob Dutton of the Kansas City Star doesn't anticipate any contract extensions for the team's young talent especially Eric Hosmer, a Scott Boras client. The Royals will keep their eye on the outfield trade market, tweets CBSSports.com's Danny Knobler.
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