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Old 07-16-2019, 05:54 PM  
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The various movies obviously deserve their own threads once things actually start moving on them, but it seems like we should have a place just for general discussion about what they're planning. So here ya go.
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Old 07-27-2024, 08:49 PM   #1081
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I dunno. If they do it right I think there's tons of potential. Dark as **** to force the Avengers into fighting a variant of Tony Stark given he saved the world with the snap. Peter Parker especially.
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Old 07-27-2024, 08:49 PM   #1082
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It seems like they're specifically calling him "Victor Von Doom". And for what it's worth, in the comics Doom rarely takes off his mask. So I see a way they could thread that needle.

(Deadpool & Wolverine spoilers)
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Old 07-27-2024, 08:50 PM   #1083
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And as far as I know this wasn't plan A, right? Big bad was going to be Kang but the whole Majors situation ****ed that.
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Old 07-27-2024, 08:52 PM   #1084
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Now, if it's just Downey Jr playing a completely new character with absolutely no connection to Stark/Iron Man that's pretty silly.
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Old 07-27-2024, 08:54 PM   #1085
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All they needed was the Russo Bros and a good casting. That's it. This was just a little too much and reeks of desperation.
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Old 07-27-2024, 08:56 PM   #1086
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They SHOULD be desperate quite honestly.
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Old 07-27-2024, 09:03 PM   #1087
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Huh. Apparently this is already a concept. Different universe Tony Stark learns to use magic to defeat his Thanos but it drives him mad and he becomes Doom.
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They SHOULD be desperate quite honestly.
But you shouldn't reek of it.

Getting the Russo Bros back is just the right amount of desperate. This feels like begging on your knees crying to the point of it just being even more pathetic.

Hope I'm wrong and it is the right move, but this man is also just old as shit.
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As long as it's entertaining don't care how we get there. Evil Tony Stark is a significant improvement over a bunch of Kang Varients.
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in the comics Doom rarely takes off his mask. So I see a way they could thread that needle.
Also as I think about it, there have been different interpretations, but usually under the mask Doom is horribly disfigured. If they don't show his origin they really could do it without ever showing Downey's face.
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You're not casting Downey Jr as the new big bad and not showing him every chance that's feasibly possible. Plenty of ways to get around him being 60 in action scenes but when it's time to throw out some exposition take the mask off.
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You're not casting Downey Jr as the new big bad and not showing him every chance that's feasibly possible. Plenty of ways to get around him being 60 in action scenes but when it's time to throw out some exposition take the mask off.
I should clarify that when I say not show his face, I mean show it unobscured by prosthetics and/or CG.

Then again, I think it might be cool to do a version of it where you only ever see his eyes through the mask. Kind of like Bane in TDKR.
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As long as it's entertaining don't care how we get there. Evil Tony Stark is a significant improvement over a bunch of Kang Varients.
Yep. I’m no critic. This is a surprising move but it’s based on comic books. Comic books have an insane amount of variations and continuities. All that matters is whether its good or not.
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You're not casting Downey Jr as the new big bad and not showing him every chance that's feasibly possible. Plenty of ways to get around him being 60 in action scenes but when it's time to throw out some exposition take the mask off.
Doom has a mangled face and hence the mask, if they stay loyal to the comics. They should be able to pull off RDJ in that role relatively easy, and he certainly has the acting chops to make it work.

That said, I don't care for this. There is no shortage of actors out there that could have crushed playing Doom if given the chance, but that's my initial reaction and will probably warm to the idea. As you said, there IS precedent of Tony Stark becoming the Sorcerer Supreme in his universe, losing his mind, and becoming one of that universe's biggest bads.

Victor von Doom was trying to rescue his mother from eternal damnation and that's how he mastered his mystic abilities in the 616 universe to go along with being a brilliant mind with tech to rival Stark's. I wonder if this Doom will have a similar story - trying to bring his mother back after being murdered by Winter Soldier (leading to Mephisto???)?
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