Alternate Reality Game 1: Chiefs - Page 71

**Rain Man** · 11:30 AM

The original post is below in blue, but let's summarize it here based on the past few years.

1. If you're a new player, start with the current Chiefs roster. If you've been playing for a while you'll have your own evolved roster.

2. You can add any free agent that the Chiefs add.

3. You lose any free agent that the Chiefs lose, but only if they were on the Chiefs' roster when you began playing.

4. You can accept or reject any trade the Chiefs make as long as any Chiefs player involved is currently on your roster.

5. You do not get players that the Chiefs draft. You draft your own players, using the same draft picks that the Chiefs have.

6. You can trade down ONE time before the draft or after the draft. If you trade down before the draft, you get up to full value for your pick according to this chart: https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-V...-Rich-Hill.asp. (Note: this chart was updated in 2022.) If you trade down after the draft, the value of the picks you trade must be discounted by at least 25 percent. Any trade down must involve only the picks of one NFL team, and you cannot receive more than two picks more than you give up. (In other words, if you trade away one draft pick you cannot pick up more than three in return.) The other team's picks also must be picks that they held prior to the opening of the draft. See the examples at the bottom of the post.

6. You can trade up ONE time before the draft or after the draft. If you trade up before the draft, you get up to full value for your pick according to this chart: https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-V...-Rich-Hill.asp. (Note: this chart was updated in 2022.). If you trade up after the draft, the value of the picks you trade must be discounted by at least 15 percent. Any trade up must involve only the picks of one NFL team. The other team's picks also must be picks that they held prior to the opening of the draft.

7. By the beginning of the season, you must reduce your total roster to include only 53 players.

Original post: You can ignore this now.

Spoiler!

Okay, having tested the waters I think we've got enough interest in this. There will be two other games as well that I'll announce soon.

The concept of this game is to, over a series of years, see which Chiefsplanet members are best at building a team. We can have an unlimited number of players, and this game will take very little time on your part - just a little bit of time and some voting.

Here's how the game will work.

Step 1. First, you have to locate your team in a city. It cannot be in a city that has an existing NFL team, so you must pick from the following cities, which are the largest cities that don't have an NFL team, but ensuring that there's at least one city in every state. If we have more than 100 players I'll add to this list. (List deleted for brevity. If you start playing, just pick a city.)

Step 2. Once the NFL draft is complete on April 26, owners will select players who were available with each Chiefs selection (i.e., do their own draft) and add these people to their roster. If the Chiefs make any draft day trades, the player may choose to accept or reject the trade and act accordingly.

Step 3. After training camp, each owner selects 40 (Edited up from 35) Chiefs players who are "their" players who will make up their roster. The remaining 13 positions will be filled by a generic "scrub".

Step 4. At the end of the season, the person will provide an overview of who started at each position over the course of the year, providing the number of starts at each position by each player. Edit: the rules for doing so are discussed in Post 285.

Step 5. At the end of the season, we will have a Survivor-style vote among the general Chiefsplanet population to determine who had the best team that year, including impacts of injuries and other issues.

Step 6. In Year 2 (and beyond), the player starts with his/her core of 40 players, adds new players through the draft, and can then pick another core of players from the following pool: their 40-player core, new drafted players, and any new free agent that joins the Chiefs

If the Chiefs make a trade that includes draft picks, each owner can choose to accept or reject that trade on their own team. If the Chiefs make a trade involving a player on the Chiefs roster, the owner can accept that trade ONLY if his/her own roster includes that player.

There will be no trades between owners, and no implications of the salary cap.

I realize that in the first season we'll have a lot of players with similar rosters, but they'll diverge over time and that's where it'll get interesting.

So...if you're interested in playing, claim your city and name your team.

Teams As Of Post #113:

Alaska (Anchorage) Watchmen (cdcox)
Austin [name to be determined] (Hound333)
Billings Snake Filets (KCChiefsman)
Cheyenne Buckshot Cheneys (banyon)
Des Moines [yet to be named] (Hoover)
Duluth Normans (Rain Man)
El Paso The Courvoisier (DeezNutz)
Fargo Rape (SNR)
Fort Wayne Dancers (Chiefs=Good)
Fresno Refugees (Adam)
Harrisburg Beer Farts (Otter)
Hartford Manticores (Crush)
Honolulu Craters (Sully)
Knoxville Nukes (Patteeu)
Las Vegas Hitmen (Bowser)
Little Rock Reapers (doomy3)
Los Angeles Cobras (chiefscafan)
Madison Beers (Spicy McHaggis)
Memphis Jackals (Ultra Peanut)
Oklahoma City Boom (Sanka)
Omaha Streakers (speak24)
Orlando Beakers (ChiefsCountry)
Reno Sheriff Department (MWagg72)
San Antonio Scorpions (truebigdog)
Scranton Paper Packers (bdeg)
Sioux Falls Slackers (pestilenceaf23)
Spokane [yet to be named] (Mr. Flopnuts)
Springfield (Missouri) Cashew Chickens (H5N1)
Wichita [yet to be named] (jwazzie)
Winston-Salem Warlocks (ArrowheadHawk)
Worcester Sauce (unothadeal)

Added Rules and Reminders:

1. Remember that you can draft undrafted rookies, so you don't have to select only guys who were drafted.

2. Anyone can change their rookie draft selections at any time, UNTIL we reach ten days before training camp. At that point, all picks will be locked in.

3. Each team can do ONE trade of draft picks if they like, using this chart:http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...t-trade-chart/. However, if you're trading up, you have to pay 15 percent more than the stated value of the picks you're obtaining. If you're trading down, your pick's value will be discounted by 25 percent.

For example, if you want to trade up from the 20th pick in the 1st to the 10th pick, you can see from the chart that the 20th pick is worth 259 points. The 10th pick is normally 369 points, but by paying 15 percent more, it will cost you 1.15*369, or 424 points. So you would need to come up with another 165 points to make the deal (424-259)

For example, if you want to trade down from the 20th pick in the 1st and pick up the 10th pick in the 2nd, your 20th pick would normally be worth 259 points, but in this game it will be worth 25 percent less, or 194 points. The 10th pick in the 2nd is worth 142 points, so you can get 52 points back from the other team. (Remember that you cannot pick up more than two extra picks in the trade, so consider your math carefully.)

You can do only ONE draft-pick trade up and ONE draft-pick trade down, and in each case you can only trade with one other team for their own picks. (In other words, you couldn't take the 52 points in the above example from a third team.)

Kellerfox · Today, 10:37 AM

Appreciate y’all doing the homework.

Quick reaction, I execute the 1st round trade down and nothing else. That leaves me with:

1-32
2-63
3-95
4-133
5-164
5-167
6-207
7-226
7-251
7-257

kccrow · Today, 11:35 AM

Transactions

I opened the draft with KC's baseline selections with no trades: 1-31, 2-63, 3-95, 4-133, 5-167, 6-207, 7-247, 7-251, and 7-257

I am accepting the following:

Pre-draft trade of OG Joe Thuney to CHI for 2026 4th Round Pick
Draft-day trade of selection 1-31 for selections 1-32 and 5-164
Draft-day trade of selections 7-251 and 7-257 for selection 7-228

I am declining the following:

Draft-day trade of selections 3-95 and 2026 4th for selection 3-85
Draft-day trade of selections 5-164 and 7-226 for 5-156 (I do not have selection 226)

I am executing my own in-draft trade up with Baltimore, sending selections 2-63, 4-133, and 5-167 for selections 2-59 and 7-243
2-63 + 4-133 + 5-167 = 82 + 18 + 9 = 109 * 0.85 = 92.65
2-59 + 7-243 = 91 + 1 = 92

Preface

I came into this draft hoping to get a true X wide receiver and enhance my edge rush. After that, I saw safety, linebacker, running back, and offensive guard as my more critical needs. I feel like I was able to address each of my needs in some way, but I came away especially happy with wide receiver and edge rush. There are going to be some extremely tough cuts this year.

Draft Selections

1-032: WR Jayden Higgins, Iowa State (6'4" 214, 4.48) HOU 2-34
Coming in, I had Higgins as my personal number one overall receiver in this draft. He is a dominant X with the ability to move around and play the Z and Slot. He reminds me of Mike Evans, and I think he's going to be an excellent player going forward. Higgins is big, yet he's got really good speed and is smooth in his movements, plus he has insanely good hands (3 drops in 210 targets at Iowa State) and an excellent catch radius. The only concern in reality is that Nico Collins will absorb too many targets to make Higgins a star.

2-059: ER Mike Green, Marshall (6'3" 251) BAL 2-59
I moved up for Green, who is one of the more controversial prospects in this class, but I'm taking a chance that his character does check out because he has the potential to be one of the best players from this draft. I'm trusting Eric DeCosta when he says he exhaustively vetted this guy. Green has great burst and twitch and is violent and disruptive. He was consistently ranked as a top-15 player and among the top four edges in this class. Green had 17 sacks this past season and was a standout during Senior Bowl practices.

3-095: FS Xavier Watts, Notre Dame (6'0" 205, 4.58) ATL 3-96
I thought hard about moving up for Wyatt Milum here, but just couldn't bring myself to do it. I feel like a 4th in next year's draft could help me to move around for an RT prospect if I want. Instead, I decided to grab another playmaker in my secondary with Watts, who most had as the third-best safety in this class. Watts has the potential to be a superstar if he's allowed to play as a rangy, backend safety valve with freedom to make plays on the football.

5-164: OG Miles Frazier, LSU (6'6" 317, 5.24) DET 5-171
I truly feel like Frazier is a tremendous potential value at this point. He was ranked in the top 5 OGs by most boards and a mid-day two prospect. He should instantly compete to start at LG, plus he has the versatility to play at every offensive line position except center, having done so in college. He isn't the best athlete, but he's big, strong, tough, and can maul in the run game, plus he's experienced in a zone blocking scheme.

6-207: ER Antwaun Powell-Ryland, Virginia Tech (6'3" 258, 4.69) PHI 6-209
Powell-Ryland is the sort of guy you take because he's just a damned good football player. He doesn't have elite length, speed, or strength, but he does offer great variation in his pass rush and an excellent spin move to disengage and make plays. He'll need to gain strength to set the edge against the run in the NFL, but he can be a sub-package rusher right away. This is a guy who had 25.5 sacks over the past two seasons at a Power-4 school, so that's saying something.

7-228: RB Brashard Smith, Southern Methodist (5'10" 194, 4.39) KC 7-228
I never found a spot to grab a bell cow running back in this draft, but I'll definitely duplicate the shot on an explosive, dynamic passing game weapon in Smith. Smith, being a former WR, makes for a player with excellent hands, understanding of routes, and the ability to pluck the ball away from his frame. Smith accelerates quickly and has elite top-end speed to go with it. He's shown good contact balance and outstanding lateral agility to make for good yards after contact. Smith also has top-end ability as a kick returner, which should strengthen his contributions.

7-243: CB Korie Black, Oklahoma State (6'0" 192, 4.35) NYG 7-246
I don't need a corner on my roster with my current group, but I like Black too much to pass on him at this juncture. Black is a physical and aggressive press-man corner who is great at shrinking the catch window and disrupting passing lanes. He's an excellent, physical tackler when coming downhill. With his speed and tackling ability, he should have an immediate impact on special teams. He also blocked several field goals in college.

7-247: LB Shaun Dolac, Buffalo (6'1" 225, 4.55) LAR UDFA
Sticking with the damned good football player mantra, I'm sticking my neck out and grabbing an UDFA here in Dolac who was twice the MAC's leading tackler and a consensus All-American in 2024. How Dolac went undrafted is somewhat surprising, but I'll take the shot here that he makes the 53 and makes his way up the depth chart in short order. Dolac has solid coverage skills and an electrifying downhill trigger to eat up the run game.

Current Training Camp Roster

Spoiler!

**Rain Man** · Today, 03:35 PM

Starting out for me, it looks like I have these picks. I'm keeping Joe Thuney on my roster so I don't get any picks for him, and I'll accept the trade out of 1-31.

I'll likely execute a trade down of my own, but here's my starting point.

1-32
2-63
3-95
4-133
5-164
5-167
6-207
7-247
7-251
7-257

Kellerfox · Today, 04:33 PM

Dang Crow... Your first four picks look pretty close to what I started to map out.

**Rain Man** · Today, 06:27 PM

To start out, I'm making a big trade down.

I'm giving up the following:

1-32 - 184 points
7-251 - 1 point
7-257 - 1 point

At a 25 percent discount, these picks are worth 139.5 points

I made a call to the broncos, and they took those picks in exchange for:

2-60 - 88 points
3-101 - 34 points
4-134 - 17 points

This totals 139 points.

My picks are now:

2-60
2-63
3-95
3-101
4-133
4-134
5-164
5-167
6-207
7-247

**Rain Man** · Today, 07:48 PM

Here's my 2025 draft.

I was desperate for cornerbacks and defensive tackles, so I loaded up. I have some other needs, but none as urgent or major.

2-60 - Trey Amos, CB, Mississippi.

Strongly considered Higgins, but I liked the value of Amos and the trade down given my team needs.

Also considered: Josh Simmons OT, Jayden Higgins WR, TJ Sanders DT, Will Johnson CB, Benjamin Morrison CB. Higgins was my biggest debate.

2-63 - Shavon Revel, CB, East Carolina.

My cornerback room was a shambles last year, so we're addressing it in force despite a major need at DT as well.

Also considered: Darius Alexander DT, Omar Norman-Lott DT, Jamaree Caldwell DT. Really strongly considered going with Alexander here.

3-95 - Xavier Watts, S, Notre Dame.

My current safety room is solid, but we lost Justin Reid and Jordan Poyer is getting old. Watts will give us more amperage, or maybe voltage, in this group. I hated to pass up the offensive skill positions here, but Watts seemed like too much of a steal to resist.

Also considered: Tai Felton WR, Bayshul Tuten RB, Cam Skattebo RB.

3-101 - Deone Walker, DT, Kentucky

We've been drafting defensive tackles on Day 2 and Day 3, and none have developed in recent drafts. We'll try again here. We desperately need a starter, and it's possible that we could switch to a 3-4 this year. Walker can help us no matter what the decision is.

Also considered: C.J. West DT, Kyle Kennard Edge

4-133 - Jalen Royals, WR, Utah

Really the only guy I considered here. I need a WR and he seems like a steal. I say that despite the bias of the Chiefs dynasty drafting him.

Also considered: None, but also see the next pick.

4-134 - Joshua Farmer, DT, Florida State

As noted earlier with Deone Walker, I've had trouble drafting starters at defensive tackle. Farmer seems like a good value at this point and will be very competitive on the depth chart.

Also considered: Elic Ayomanor WR, Shadeur Sanders QB, Marcus Mbow OG. Really debated going with Ayomanor here.

5-164 - J.J. Pegues, DT, Mississippi.

I had Tyler Baron in this spot until the last minute, but I had enough productive DEs that I decided to load up at tackle. One of them has to work out, right?

Also considered: Tyler Baron DE. Really close call on this one. I also initially penciled in Oronde Gadsden TE.

5-167 - Chris Paul, LB, Mississippi.

I'm pretty much drafting the entire Mississippi defense, I guess. This was my toughest pick of the draft, because I really wanted one of the two CBs below and wouldn't mind loading up on the CB room. But in the end, I thought Paul had slid too low and was a good value even though my LB room is stacked. This was a pure luxury pick.

Also considered: Dorian Strong CB, Denzel Burke CB, Jaylen Reed S

6-207 - Kurtis Rourke, QB, Indiana.

This was a really tough decision. I really wanted to draft a RB or a developmental OT, but I like to roll the dice on a QB every year. At some point I've got to replace Russell Wilson, so I keep rolling the dice in later rounds.

Also considered: Brashard Smith RB, Jack Nelson OT, Quinn Ewers QB, Kyle Monangai RB.

7-247 - Luke Lachey, TE, Iowa.

I think I may need a third TE so I wanted to draft one. Gadsden seemed like a good value in Round 5, but with Kelce I can hold off for a while on a big investment.

Also considered: Elijhah Badger WR, Xavier Restropo WR, Tyler Batty Edge, Elijah Williams Edge, Zy Alexander CB, Joshua Gray OG, Hollin Pierce OT, all as undrafted free agents.

**Rain Man** · Today, 09:10 PM

Here's my training camp roster. I've got some young veterans who really need to step up this year at WR and DT.

Spoiler!

kccrow · Today, 09:40 PM

Rainman, you really surprised me by not moving up for Dart.

**Rain Man** · Today, 09:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kccrow

Rainman, you really surprised me by not moving up for Dart.

I'd been torn on him as a candidate, but I'd pretty much told myself that I would take him with my first pick, assuming that he would go in the second round somewhere. But when he went at 25, I wasn't sure I wanted to take that risk. It would have taken my 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and a 7th to go up and get him.

I may regret that, because one of these years I'm going to have to do it, and we'll never have a high enough pick to get someone who doesn't slip to the bottom of the round. For now, I'll bank on Kurtis Rourke doing a Kurt Warner thing.

**Rain Man** · Today, 09:55 PM

We really went in different directions this year, kccrow. We agreed on Watts at safety, and I really coveted Higgins if not for my need at other positions. But other than that, we seemed to diverge.

Kellerfox · Today, 10:07 PM

Dumb question… are we allowed to add UDFAs to our roster “for free?” Assuming not, and the logic is you have to spend a draft pick (as I’ve done in past seasons). However, felt it was worth asking since I’m not seeing anything about it in the rules and I have a laundry list of UDFAs I like.

**Rain Man** · Today, 10:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kellerfox

Dumb question… are we allowed to add UDFAs to our roster “for free?” Assuming not, and the logic is you have to spend a draft pick (as I’ve done in past seasons). However, felt it was worth asking since I’m not seeing anything about it in the rules and I have a laundry list of UDFAs I like.

Right now, we only get UDFAs for the Chiefs, or we can draft a UDFA who went to another team.

It would be interesting if we allowed ourselves to select two or three UDFAs. However, I wouldn't want us to get an unrealistic advantage over the real teams if we're already getting the Chiefs' signings. Any way we could work something out to make it fair but interesting?

Hmm, I just realized that I'll get two of the UDFAs I was coveting since they signed with the Chiefs (Badger and Briningstool). So that's a win. I'll add them to my training camp roster if they look promising in camp.

I've only drafted two UDFAs in 10+ years, and interestingly, they both worked out great. I drafted Ivan Pace at ILB recently, and long, long ago I drafted an offensive lineman, Alex Boone, who ended up starting in the league for several years.

Kellerfox · Today, 10:49 PM

Agreed that a cap would be required... If you elect to authorize.

Perhaps it's an either or proposition? (Get all of the Chiefs signings OR add 2-3 of your choosing)

**Rain Man** · Today, 10:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kellerfox

Agreed that a cap would be required... If you elect to authorize.

Perhaps it's an either or proposition? (Get all of the Chiefs signings OR add 2-3 of your choosing)

That could be interesting. I'm willing to try that if others are. I think we're talking only rookie free agents in this case, correct?

I'd lean toward all of the Chiefs rookies or four of your own choosing. It seems like the Chiefs get enough volume that some end up making the team every year. Maybe not our team, but theirs.

kccrow · Today, 11:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rain Man

I'd been torn on him as a candidate, but I'd pretty much told myself that I would take him with my first pick, assuming that he would go in the second round somewhere. But when he went at 25, I wasn't sure I wanted to take that risk. It would have taken my 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and a 7th to go up and get him.

I may regret that, because one of these years I'm going to have to do it, and we'll never have a high enough pick to get someone who doesn't slip to the bottom of the round. For now, I'll bank on Kurtis Rourke doing a Kurt Warner thing.

You would only have had to give up 1-31 and 2-63 (190+82 * 0.85 = 231.2), but it doesn't fit extremely well with anything else you've done here. That said, it does feel like your best shot at an actual franchise QB coming from the bottom of the draft all the time unless you get ballsy one year and make a pre-draft trade to go way up towards the top of the draft. Next year might be a really good year to do that and stick to this plan of building your roster out to support it.

03-22-2009, 12:15 AM
Rain Man Seize life. Be an ermine. Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: My house Casino cash: $-422449 VARSITY	Alternate Reality Game 1: Chiefs The original post is below in blue, but let's summarize it here based on the past few years. 1. If you're a new player, start with the current Chiefs roster. If you've been playing for a while you'll have your own evolved roster. 2. You can add any free agent that the Chiefs add. 3. You lose any free agent that the Chiefs lose, but only if they were on the Chiefs' roster when you began playing. 4. You can accept or reject any trade the Chiefs make as long as any Chiefs player involved is currently on your roster. 5. You do not get players that the Chiefs draft. You draft your own players, using the same draft picks that the Chiefs have. 6. You can trade down ONE time before the draft or after the draft. If you trade down before the draft, you get up to full value for your pick according to this chart: https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-V...-Rich-Hill.asp. (Note: this chart was updated in 2022.) If you trade down after the draft, the value of the picks you trade must be discounted by at least 25 percent. Any trade down must involve only the picks of one NFL team, and you cannot receive more than two picks more than you give up. (In other words, if you trade away one draft pick you cannot pick up more than three in return.) The other team's picks also must be picks that they held prior to the opening of the draft. See the examples at the bottom of the post. 6. You can trade up ONE time before the draft or after the draft. If you trade up before the draft, you get up to full value for your pick according to this chart: https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-V...-Rich-Hill.asp. (Note: this chart was updated in 2022.). If you trade up after the draft, the value of the picks you trade must be discounted by at least 15 percent. Any trade up must involve only the picks of one NFL team. The other team's picks also must be picks that they held prior to the opening of the draft. 7. By the beginning of the season, you must reduce your total roster to include only 53 players. Original post: You can ignore this now. Spoiler! Okay, having tested the waters I think we've got enough interest in this. There will be two other games as well that I'll announce soon. The concept of this game is to, over a series of years, see which Chiefsplanet members are best at building a team. We can have an unlimited number of players, and this game will take very little time on your part - just a little bit of time and some voting. Here's how the game will work. Step 1. First, you have to locate your team in a city. It cannot be in a city that has an existing NFL team, so you must pick from the following cities, which are the largest cities that don't have an NFL team, but ensuring that there's at least one city in every state. If we have more than 100 players I'll add to this list. (List deleted for brevity. If you start playing, just pick a city.) Step 2. Once the NFL draft is complete on April 26, owners will select players who were available with each Chiefs selection (i.e., do their own draft) and add these people to their roster. If the Chiefs make any draft day trades, the player may choose to accept or reject the trade and act accordingly. Step 3. After training camp, each owner selects 40 (Edited up from 35) Chiefs players who are "their" players who will make up their roster. The remaining 13 positions will be filled by a generic "scrub". Step 4. At the end of the season, the person will provide an overview of who started at each position over the course of the year, providing the number of starts at each position by each player. Edit: the rules for doing so are discussed in Post 285. Step 5. At the end of the season, we will have a Survivor-style vote among the general Chiefsplanet population to determine who had the best team that year, including impacts of injuries and other issues. Step 6. In Year 2 (and beyond), the player starts with his/her core of 40 players, adds new players through the draft, and can then pick another core of players from the following pool: their 40-player core, new drafted players, and any new free agent that joins the Chiefs If the Chiefs make a trade that includes draft picks, each owner can choose to accept or reject that trade on their own team. If the Chiefs make a trade involving a player on the Chiefs roster, the owner can accept that trade ONLY if his/her own roster includes that player. There will be no trades between owners, and no implications of the salary cap. I realize that in the first season we'll have a lot of players with similar rosters, but they'll diverge over time and that's where it'll get interesting. So...if you're interested in playing, claim your city and name your team. Teams As Of Post #113: Alaska (Anchorage) Watchmen (cdcox) Austin [name to be determined] (Hound333) Billings Snake Filets (KCChiefsman) Cheyenne Buckshot Cheneys (banyon) Des Moines [yet to be named] (Hoover) Duluth Normans (Rain Man) El Paso The Courvoisier (DeezNutz) Fargo Rape (SNR) Fort Wayne Dancers (Chiefs=Good) Fresno Refugees (Adam) Harrisburg Beer Farts (Otter) Hartford Manticores (Crush) Honolulu Craters (Sully) Knoxville Nukes (Patteeu) Las Vegas Hitmen (Bowser) Little Rock Reapers (doomy3) Los Angeles Cobras (chiefscafan) Madison Beers (Spicy McHaggis) Memphis Jackals (Ultra Peanut) Oklahoma City Boom (Sanka) Omaha Streakers (speak24) Orlando Beakers (ChiefsCountry) Reno Sheriff Department (MWagg72) San Antonio Scorpions (truebigdog) Scranton Paper Packers (bdeg) Sioux Falls Slackers (pestilenceaf23) Spokane [yet to be named] (Mr. Flopnuts) Springfield (Missouri) Cashew Chickens (H5N1) Wichita [yet to be named] (jwazzie) Winston-Salem Warlocks (ArrowheadHawk) Worcester Sauce (unothadeal) Added Rules and Reminders: 1. Remember that you can draft undrafted rookies, so you don't have to select only guys who were drafted. 2. Anyone can change their rookie draft selections at any time, UNTIL we reach ten days before training camp. At that point, all picks will be locked in. 3. Each team can do ONE trade of draft picks if they like, using this chart:http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...t-trade-chart/. However, if you're trading up, you have to pay 15 percent more than the stated value of the picks you're obtaining. If you're trading down, your pick's value will be discounted by 25 percent. For example, if you want to trade up from the 20th pick in the 1st to the 10th pick, you can see from the chart that the 20th pick is worth 259 points. The 10th pick is normally 369 points, but by paying 15 percent more, it will cost you 1.15369, or 424 points. So you would need to come up with another 165 points to make the deal (424-259) For example, if you want to trade down from the 20th pick in the 1st and pick up the 10th pick in the 2nd, your 20th pick would normally be worth 259 points, but in this game it will be worth 25 percent less, or 194 points. The 10th pick in the 2nd is worth 142 points, so you can get 52 points back from the other team. (Remember that you cannot pick up more than two extra picks in the trade, so consider your math carefully.) You can do only ONE draft-pick trade up and ONE draft-pick trade down, and in each case you can only trade with one other team for their own picks. (In other words, you couldn't take the 52 points in the above example from a third team.) Last edited by Rain Man; 04-25-2024 at 11:30 AM..*
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Today, 10:37 AM	#1051
Kellerfox Starter Join Date: Feb 2018 Location: Phoenix, AZ Casino cash: $-1119600	Appreciate y’all doing the homework. Quick reaction, I execute the 1st round trade down and nothing else. That leaves me with: 1-32 2-63 3-95 4-133 5-164 5-167 6-207 7-226 7-251 7-257
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Today, 11:35 AM	#1052
kccrow MVP Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Michigan Casino cash: $-1030000	2025 Superior Yetis Draft Transactions I opened the draft with KC's baseline selections with no trades: 1-31, 2-63, 3-95, 4-133, 5-167, 6-207, 7-247, 7-251, and 7-257 I am accepting the following: Pre-draft trade of OG Joe Thuney to CHI for 2026 4th Round Pick Draft-day trade of selection 1-31 for selections 1-32 and 5-164 Draft-day trade of selections 7-251 and 7-257 for selection 7-228 I am declining the following: Draft-day trade of selections 3-95 and 2026 4th for selection 3-85 Draft-day trade of selections 5-164 and 7-226 for 5-156 (I do not have selection 226) I am executing my own in-draft trade up with Baltimore, sending selections 2-63, 4-133, and 5-167 for selections 2-59 and 7-243 2-63 + 4-133 + 5-167 = 82 + 18 + 9 = 109 * 0.85 = 92.65 2-59 + 7-243 = 91 + 1 = 92 Preface I came into this draft hoping to get a true X wide receiver and enhance my edge rush. After that, I saw safety, linebacker, running back, and offensive guard as my more critical needs. I feel like I was able to address each of my needs in some way, but I came away especially happy with wide receiver and edge rush. There are going to be some extremely tough cuts this year. Draft Selections 1-032: WR Jayden Higgins, Iowa State (6'4" 214, 4.48) HOU 2-34 Coming in, I had Higgins as my personal number one overall receiver in this draft. He is a dominant X with the ability to move around and play the Z and Slot. He reminds me of Mike Evans, and I think he's going to be an excellent player going forward. Higgins is big, yet he's got really good speed and is smooth in his movements, plus he has insanely good hands (3 drops in 210 targets at Iowa State) and an excellent catch radius. The only concern in reality is that Nico Collins will absorb too many targets to make Higgins a star. 2-059: ER Mike Green, Marshall (6'3" 251) BAL 2-59 I moved up for Green, who is one of the more controversial prospects in this class, but I'm taking a chance that his character does check out because he has the potential to be one of the best players from this draft. I'm trusting Eric DeCosta when he says he exhaustively vetted this guy. Green has great burst and twitch and is violent and disruptive. He was consistently ranked as a top-15 player and among the top four edges in this class. Green had 17 sacks this past season and was a standout during Senior Bowl practices. 3-095: FS Xavier Watts, Notre Dame (6'0" 205, 4.58) ATL 3-96 I thought hard about moving up for Wyatt Milum here, but just couldn't bring myself to do it. I feel like a 4th in next year's draft could help me to move around for an RT prospect if I want. Instead, I decided to grab another playmaker in my secondary with Watts, who most had as the third-best safety in this class. Watts has the potential to be a superstar if he's allowed to play as a rangy, backend safety valve with freedom to make plays on the football. 5-164: OG Miles Frazier, LSU (6'6" 317, 5.24) DET 5-171 I truly feel like Frazier is a tremendous potential value at this point. He was ranked in the top 5 OGs by most boards and a mid-day two prospect. He should instantly compete to start at LG, plus he has the versatility to play at every offensive line position except center, having done so in college. He isn't the best athlete, but he's big, strong, tough, and can maul in the run game, plus he's experienced in a zone blocking scheme. 6-207: ER Antwaun Powell-Ryland, Virginia Tech (6'3" 258, 4.69) PHI 6-209 Powell-Ryland is the sort of guy you take because he's just a damned good football player. He doesn't have elite length, speed, or strength, but he does offer great variation in his pass rush and an excellent spin move to disengage and make plays. He'll need to gain strength to set the edge against the run in the NFL, but he can be a sub-package rusher right away. This is a guy who had 25.5 sacks over the past two seasons at a Power-4 school, so that's saying something. 7-228: RB Brashard Smith, Southern Methodist (5'10" 194, 4.39) KC 7-228 I never found a spot to grab a bell cow running back in this draft, but I'll definitely duplicate the shot on an explosive, dynamic passing game weapon in Smith. Smith, being a former WR, makes for a player with excellent hands, understanding of routes, and the ability to pluck the ball away from his frame. Smith accelerates quickly and has elite top-end speed to go with it. He's shown good contact balance and outstanding lateral agility to make for good yards after contact. Smith also has top-end ability as a kick returner, which should strengthen his contributions. 7-243: CB Korie Black, Oklahoma State (6'0" 192, 4.35) NYG 7-246 I don't need a corner on my roster with my current group, but I like Black too much to pass on him at this juncture. Black is a physical and aggressive press-man corner who is great at shrinking the catch window and disrupting passing lanes. He's an excellent, physical tackler when coming downhill. With his speed and tackling ability, he should have an immediate impact on special teams. He also blocked several field goals in college. 7-247: LB Shaun Dolac, Buffalo (6'1" 225, 4.55) LAR UDFA Sticking with the damned good football player mantra, I'm sticking my neck out and grabbing an UDFA here in Dolac who was twice the MAC's leading tackler and a consensus All-American in 2024. How Dolac went undrafted is somewhat surprising, but I'll take the shot here that he makes the 53 and makes his way up the depth chart in short order. Dolac has solid coverage skills and an electrifying downhill trigger to eat up the run game. Current Training Camp Roster Spoiler! QB Patrick Mahomes II D1-10/17 (KC) QB Gardner Minshew FA/25 (KC) QB Bailey Zappe FA/25 (KC) RB Aaron Jones D5-180/17 (MIN) RB Tyler Allgeier D4-135/22 (ATL) RB Rasheen Ali D5-160/24 (BAL) RB Brashard Smith D7-228/25 (KC) RB Elijah Mitchell FA/25 (KC) RB Kareem Hunt FA/25 (KC) RB Elijah Young UDFA/25 (KC) RB Qualan Jones UDFA/25 (KC) TE Travis Kelce TE Cade Otton D3-103/22 (TB) TE Jared Wiley D4-131/24 (KC) TE Noah Gray D5-162/21 (KC) TE Jake Briningstool UDFA/25 (KC) WR Jayden Higgins D1-32/25 (HOU) WR Xavier Worthy D1-28/24 (KC) WR Hollywood Brown FA/25 (KC) WR Gabriel Davis D4-125/20 (JAX) WR Troy Franklin D3-95/24 (DEN) WR Malik Washington D5-173/24 (MIA) WR A.T. Perry D5-169/23 (DEN) WR Tyler Boyd D2-37/16 (FA) WR Elijhah Badger UDFA/25 (KC) WR Mac Dalena UDFA/25 (KC) LT Bernhard Raimann D2-62/22 (IND) LG Jaylon Moore FA/25 (KC) OC Erik McCoy D2-48/19 (NO) RG Trey Smith D6-221/21 (KC) RT Jawaan Taylor FA/23 (KC) LT Rasheed Walker D7-233/22 (GB) OG Miles Frazier D5-164/25 (DET) OG Teven Jenkins D1-31/21 (CLE) OC Hunter Nourzad D5-144/24 (KC) RT Ethan Driskell UDFA/24 (KC) LT Dalton Cooper UDFA/25 (KC) OL Esa Pole UDFA/25 (KC) DL Justin Madubuike D2-64/20 (BAL) DL Zach Sieler D7-219/18 (MIA) DL Mazi Smith D1-31/23 (DAL) DL Dante Stills D6-209/23 (ARZ) DL Desjuan Johnson D7-249/23 (LAR) DL Jerry Tillery FA/25 (KC) DL Mike Pennel FA/25 (KC) DL Marlon Tuipulotu FA/25 (KC) DL Coziah Izzard UDFA/25 (KC) ER Matt Judon D4-129/16 (FA) ER George Karlaftis D1-30/22 (KC) ER Mike Green D2-59/25 (BAL) ER Antwaun Powell-Ryland D6-207/25 (PHI) ER Jaylen Harrell D7-252/24 (TEN) ER Charles Omenihu FA/25 (KC) ER K.J. Henry D4-134/23 (PHI) ER Janarius Robinson FA/25 (KC) LB Logan Wilson D2-63/20 (CIN) LB Drue Tranquill FA/23 (KC) LB Leo Chenal D3-94/22 (KC) LB Cole Holcomb D5-167/19 (PIT) LB Isaiah McDuffie D6-208/21 (GB) LB Shaun Dolac D7-247/25 (LAR) LB Shaun Bradley FA/25 (KC) LB Brandon George UDFA/25 (KC) CB L'Jarius Sneed D4-138/20 (TEN) CB Paulson Adebo D2-63/21 (NO) CB Byron Murphy D1-29/19 (MIN) CB Christian Benford D5-173/22 (BUF) CB Kristian Fulton FA/25 (KC) CB Kelee Ringo D3-95/23 (PHI) CB Korie Black 7-243/25 (NYG) CB Robert Rochell FA/25 (KC) CB Kevin Knowles II UDFA/25 (KC) CB Melvin Smith, Jr UDFA/25 (KC) CB Jacobe Covington UDFA/25 (KC) SS Jessie Bates III D2-52/18 (ATL) SS Amani Hooker D4-116/19 (TEN) FS Xavier Watts D3-95/25 (ATL) FS Anthony Johnson Jr. D6-217/23 (NYG) FS Mike Edwards FA/25 (KC) FS Jason Taylor II FA/25 (KC) SK Harrison Butker FA/17 (KC) SP Matt Araiza FA/24 (KC) SP Eddie Czaplicki UDFA/25 (KC) LS James Winchester
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Today, 03:35 PM	#1053
Rain Man Seize life. Be an ermine. Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: My house Casino cash: $-422449 VARSITY	Starting out for me, it looks like I have these picks. I'm keeping Joe Thuney on my roster so I don't get any picks for him, and I'll accept the trade out of 1-31. I'll likely execute a trade down of my own, but here's my starting point. 1-32 2-63 3-95 4-133 5-164 5-167 6-207 7-247 7-251 7-257 __________________ Active fan of the greatest team in NFL history.
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Today, 04:33 PM	#1054
Kellerfox Starter Join Date: Feb 2018 Location: Phoenix, AZ Casino cash: $-1119600	Dang Crow... Your first four picks look pretty close to what I started to map out.
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Today, 06:27 PM	#1055
Rain Man Seize life. Be an ermine. Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: My house Casino cash: $-422449 VARSITY	To start out, I'm making a big trade down. I'm giving up the following: 1-32 - 184 points 7-251 - 1 point 7-257 - 1 point At a 25 percent discount, these picks are worth 139.5 points I made a call to the broncos, and they took those picks in exchange for: 2-60 - 88 points 3-101 - 34 points 4-134 - 17 points This totals 139 points. My picks are now: 2-60 2-63 3-95 3-101 4-133 4-134 5-164 5-167 6-207 7-247 __________________ Active fan of the greatest team in NFL history.
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Today, 07:48 PM	#1056
Rain Man Seize life. Be an ermine. Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: My house Casino cash: $-422449 VARSITY	Here's my 2025 draft. I was desperate for cornerbacks and defensive tackles, so I loaded up. I have some other needs, but none as urgent or major. 2-60 - Trey Amos, CB, Mississippi. Strongly considered Higgins, but I liked the value of Amos and the trade down given my team needs. Also considered: Josh Simmons OT, Jayden Higgins WR, TJ Sanders DT, Will Johnson CB, Benjamin Morrison CB. Higgins was my biggest debate. 2-63 - Shavon Revel, CB, East Carolina. My cornerback room was a shambles last year, so we're addressing it in force despite a major need at DT as well. Also considered: Darius Alexander DT, Omar Norman-Lott DT, Jamaree Caldwell DT. Really strongly considered going with Alexander here. 3-95 - Xavier Watts, S, Notre Dame. My current safety room is solid, but we lost Justin Reid and Jordan Poyer is getting old. Watts will give us more amperage, or maybe voltage, in this group. I hated to pass up the offensive skill positions here, but Watts seemed like too much of a steal to resist. Also considered: Tai Felton WR, Bayshul Tuten RB, Cam Skattebo RB. 3-101 - Deone Walker, DT, Kentucky We've been drafting defensive tackles on Day 2 and Day 3, and none have developed in recent drafts. We'll try again here. We desperately need a starter, and it's possible that we could switch to a 3-4 this year. Walker can help us no matter what the decision is. Also considered: C.J. West DT, Kyle Kennard Edge 4-133 - Jalen Royals, WR, Utah Really the only guy I considered here. I need a WR and he seems like a steal. I say that despite the bias of the Chiefs dynasty drafting him. Also considered: None, but also see the next pick. 4-134 - Joshua Farmer, DT, Florida State As noted earlier with Deone Walker, I've had trouble drafting starters at defensive tackle. Farmer seems like a good value at this point and will be very competitive on the depth chart. Also considered: Elic Ayomanor WR, Shadeur Sanders QB, Marcus Mbow OG. Really debated going with Ayomanor here. 5-164 - J.J. Pegues, DT, Mississippi. I had Tyler Baron in this spot until the last minute, but I had enough productive DEs that I decided to load up at tackle. One of them has to work out, right? Also considered: Tyler Baron DE. Really close call on this one. I also initially penciled in Oronde Gadsden TE. 5-167 - Chris Paul, LB, Mississippi. I'm pretty much drafting the entire Mississippi defense, I guess. This was my toughest pick of the draft, because I really wanted one of the two CBs below and wouldn't mind loading up on the CB room. But in the end, I thought Paul had slid too low and was a good value even though my LB room is stacked. This was a pure luxury pick. Also considered: Dorian Strong CB, Denzel Burke CB, Jaylen Reed S 6-207 - Kurtis Rourke, QB, Indiana. This was a really tough decision. I really wanted to draft a RB or a developmental OT, but I like to roll the dice on a QB every year. At some point I've got to replace Russell Wilson, so I keep rolling the dice in later rounds. Also considered: Brashard Smith RB, Jack Nelson OT, Quinn Ewers QB, Kyle Monangai RB. 7-247 - Luke Lachey, TE, Iowa. I think I may need a third TE so I wanted to draft one. Gadsden seemed like a good value in Round 5, but with Kelce I can hold off for a while on a big investment. Also considered: Elijhah Badger WR, Xavier Restropo WR, Tyler Batty Edge, Elijah Williams Edge, Zy Alexander CB, Joshua Gray OG, Hollin Pierce OT, all as undrafted free agents. __________________ Active fan of the greatest team in NFL history. Last edited by Rain Man; Today at 08:57 PM..
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Today, 09:10 PM	#1057
Rain Man Seize life. Be an ermine. Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: My house Casino cash: $-422449 VARSITY	Here's my training camp roster. I've got some young veterans who really need to step up this year at WR and DT. Spoiler! QB Russell Wilson (Broncos) Aidan O'Connell (Raiders) Kurtis Rourke (49ers) Gardner Minshew Carson Wentz RB/FB Alvin Kamara (Saints) Isaih Pacheco Jaylen Wright (Dolphins) Elijah Mitchell WR Adonai Mitchell (Colts) Hollywood Brown Khalil Shakir (Bills) Jalen Royals Malachai Corley (Jets) Juju Smith Schuster Tyquan Thornton. Baylor Cupp TE Travis Kelce (Chiefs) Grant Calcaterra (Eagles) Luke Lachey (Texans) Zach Kuntz (Jets) Robert Tonyan OT Jawaan Taylor Morgan Moses (Redskins) Orlando Brown, Jr. (Bengals) Walter Rouse (Vikings) DJ Humphries Jaylen Moore G Joe Thuney Wyatt Teller (Browns) Trey Smith C Sedrick Van Pran-Granger (Bills) Cody Whitehair (Raiders) K/P/ST K - Harrison Butker LS - James Winchester P - Matt Araiza S Xavier Watts (Falcons) Andre Cisco (Jaguars) Jordan Poyer (Bills) Coby Bryant (Seahawks) CB Joey Porter, Jr. (Steelers) Trey Amos (Commanders) Shavon Revel (Cowboys) Amik Robertson (Lions) Caelen Carson (Cowboys) Kalen King (Packers) Kristian Fulton OLB Zach Baun, LB (Eagles) Leo Chenal Henry To'oTo'o (Texans) Drue Tranquill ILB Ivan Pace (Vikings) Nakobe Dean (Eagles) Chris Paul (Rams) DE George Karlaftis Dorance Armstrong (Commanders) Charles Omenihu Cedric Johnson (Bengals) Myles Cole (Jaguars) DT Andrew Billings (Bears) Deone Walker (Bills) Joshua Farmer (Patriots) JJ Pegues (Raiders) Dewayne Carter (Bills) Zacch Pickens (Bears) Adetomiwa Adebawore (Colts) Moro Ojomo (Eagles) Siaki Ika __________________ Active fan of the greatest team in NFL history.
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Today, 09:40 PM	#1058
kccrow MVP Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Michigan Casino cash: $-1030000	Rainman, you really surprised me by not moving up for Dart.
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Today, 09:55 PM	#1060
Rain Man Seize life. Be an ermine. Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: My house Casino cash: $-422449 VARSITY	We really went in different directions this year, kccrow. We agreed on Watts at safety, and I really coveted Higgins if not for my need at other positions. But other than that, we seemed to diverge. __________________ Active fan of the greatest team in NFL history.
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Today, 10:07 PM	#1061
Kellerfox Starter Join Date: Feb 2018 Location: Phoenix, AZ Casino cash: $-1119600	Dumb question… are we allowed to add UDFAs to our roster “for free?” Assuming not, and the logic is you have to spend a draft pick (as I’ve done in past seasons). However, felt it was worth asking since I’m not seeing anything about it in the rules and I have a laundry list of UDFAs I like. Last edited by Kellerfox; Today at 10:37 PM..
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Today, 10:49 PM	#1063
Kellerfox Starter Join Date: Feb 2018 Location: Phoenix, AZ Casino cash: $-1119600	Agreed that a cap would be required... If you elect to authorize. Perhaps it's an either or proposition? (Get all of the Chiefs signings OR add 2-3 of your choosing)
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