Funny Stuff New Conference re-alignment thread - Page 709

**Saulbadguy** · 09-12-2011, 07:57 AM

The old one has AIDS.

Anyways, Chip Brown from Orangebloods.com reports OU may apply to the Pac-12 by the end of the month.

Oklahoma will apply for membership to the Pac-12 before the end of the month, and Oklahoma State is expected to follow suit, a source close to OU's administration told Orangebloods.com.

Even though Pac-12 commissioner Larry Scott said Friday the Pac-12 was not interested in expansion at this time, OU's board of regents is fed up with the instability in the Big 12, the source said.

The OU board of regents will meet within two weeks to formalize plans to apply for membership to the Pac-12, the source said.

Messages left Sunday night with OU athletic director Joe Castiglione and Oklahoma State athletic director Mike Holder were not immediately returned.

If OU follows through with what appears to be a unanimous sentiment on the seven-member Oklahoma board of regents to leave the Big 12, realignment in college athletics could be heating back up. OU's application would be matched by an application from Oklahoma State, the source said, even though OSU president Burns Hargis and mega-booster Boone Pickens both voiced their support for the Big 12 last Thursday.

There is differing sentiment about if the Pac-12 presidents and chancellors are ready to expand again after bringing in Colorado and Utah last year and landing $3 billion TV contracts from Fox and ESPN. Colorado president Bruce Benson told reporters last week CU would be opposed to any expansion that might bring about east and west divisions in the Pac-12.

Currently, there are north and south divisions in the Pac-12. If OU and OSU were to join, Larry Scott would have to get creative.

Scott's orginal plan last summer was to bring in Colorado, Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State and put them in an eastern division with Arizona and Arizona State. The old Pac-8 schools (USC, UCLA, Cal, Stanford, Oregon, Oregon State, Washington and Washington State) were to be in the west division.

Colorado made the move in June 2010, but when Texas A&M was not on board to go west, the Big 12 came back together with the help of its television partners (ABC/ESPN and Fox).

If Oklahoma and Oklahoma State were accepted into the Pac-12, there would undoubtedly be a hope by Larry Scott that Texas would join the league. But Texas sources have indicated UT is determined to hang onto the Longhorn Network, which would not be permissible in the Pac-12 in its current form.

Texas sources continue to indicate to Orangebloods.com that if the Big 12 falls apart, the Longhorns would consider "all options."

Big 12 commissioner Dan Beebe held an emergency conference call 10 days ago with league presidents excluding Oklahoma, Texas and Texas A&M and asked the other league presidents to "work on Texas" because Beebe didn't think the Pac-12 would take Oklahoma without Texas.

Now, it appears OU is willing to take its chances with the Pac-12 with or without Texas.

There seemed to be a temporary pause in any possible shifting of the college athletics' landscape when Baylor led a charge to tie up Texas A&M's move to the Southeastern Conference in legal red tape. BU refused to waive its right to sue the SEC over A&M's departure from the Big 12, and the SEC said it would not admit Texas A&M until it had been cleared of any potential lawsuits.

Baylor, Kansas and Iowa State have indicated they will not waive their right to sue the SEC.

It's unclear if an application by OU to the Pac-12 would draw the same threats of litigation against the Pac-12 from those Big 12 schools.

Stay tuned.

displacedinMN · 08-04-2023, 04:23 PM

The new Big12 seems like a good BBall conference.

But WV at ASU will not be a fun game for football to watch-at 11pm Eastern.

kcclone · 08-04-2023, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88

I am not sure what metrics the Big 12 would look at as a comparison, but to me UConn adds way more value than Arizona State.

Arizona State barely adds the Phoenix market since Arizona is the flagship school in the state. Also Phoenix has a transient population and is not a college sports city.

Yormark has already said he's looking at breaking out the basketball contract. I'm guessing he'll target Uconn and Gonzaga for hoops, but as far as football value, I don't think Uconn brings much.

Plus, taking ASU was probably a negotiation point with Arizona and possibly Utah/CU.

KingPriest2 · 08-04-2023, 04:30 PM

Lots of questions about this in the future

There's the question of whether the 12-team CFP will still reserve *six* spots for conference champions in 2024.

Exec Director Bill Hancock told me, "It’s too soon to say. The CFP Management Committee and the Board will discuss the future format when it becomes appropriate."

https://twitter.com/slmandel/status/...n6FHKMqlrjZx2w

displacedinMN · 08-04-2023, 04:30 PM

RIP #Pac12 ��

Introducing…the Pac-4! pic.twitter.com/hhW8rBz5tr
— Scot Hampton (@shamptonian) August 4, 2023

Coach · 08-04-2023, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by kcclone

Yormark has already said he's looking at breaking out the basketball contract. I'm guessing he'll target Uconn and Gonzaga for hoops, but as far as football value, I don't think Uconn brings much.

Plus, taking ASU was probably a negotiation point with Arizona and possibly Utah/CU.

I think for UConn and Gonzaga, they'll open a separate contract for CMBB, and not tied to the Football Media deal.

FloridaMan88 · 08-04-2023, 04:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by displacedinMN

The new Big12 seems like a good BBall conference.

But WV at ASU will not be a fun game for football to watch-at 11pm Eastern.

True but ASU football vs anyone, anytime of the day usually is not a compelling game to watch.

Other than when they had Jake Plummer, I can’t recall when ASU football was nationally relevant.

KingPriest2 · 08-04-2023, 04:35 PM

[QUOTE=kcclone;17043626]Yormark has already said he's looking at breaking out the basketball contract. I'm guessing he'll target Uconn and Gonzaga for hoops, but as far as football value, I don't think Uconn brings much.

Plus, taking ASU was probably a negotiation point with Arizona and possibly Utah/CU.[/

The tv media deal covers both football and basketball

Coogs · 08-04-2023, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by displacedinMN

The new Big12 seems like a good BBall conference.

But WV at ASU will not be a fun game for football to watch-at 11pm Eastern.

Arizona is in the Mountain Time Zone, so night games could start earlier like games at Colorado probably will, but your point stands.

KingPriest2 · 08-04-2023, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Coogs

Arizona is in the Mountain Time Zone, so night games could start earlier like games at Colorado probably will, but your point stands.

It’s 7 pm in WV and 4 pm in Az right now. But come the first weeend on Nov WV falls back

KingPriest2 · 08-04-2023, 05:05 PM

The goal is to announce as three tomorrow at 10 AM.

https://twitter.com/jasonscheer/stat...n6FHKMqlrjZx2w

Pablo · 08-04-2023, 05:10 PM

Big 12 gonna be alright after all...

For now.

No gay ass SEC SEC SEC type chants either.

KingPriest2 · 08-04-2023, 05:12 PM

ASU, Arizona and Utah are likely to announce Big-12 move tomorrow morning, which would take the conference to 16 teams.

Still trying to confirm if it’ll be as immediate full share members but that appears likely.

https://twitter.com/chriskarpman/sta...n6FHKMqlrjZx2w

Pablo · 08-04-2023, 05:14 PM

Just saw this a few minutes ago

ASU, Arizona and Utah are likely to announce Big-12 move tomorrow morning, which would take the conference to 16 teams.

Still trying to confirm if it’ll be as immediate full share members but that appears likely. https://t.co/89Q3gOjEyH
— Chris Karpman (@ChrisKarpman) August 4, 2023

KingPriest2 · 08-04-2023, 05:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pablo

Just saw this a few minutes ago

ASU, Arizona and Utah are likely to announce Big-12 move tomorrow morning, which would take the conference to 16 teams.

Still trying to confirm if it’ll be as immediate full share members but that appears likely. https://t.co/89Q3gOjEyH
— Chris Karpman (@ChrisKarpman) August 4, 2023

I posted those up above

FloridaMan88 · 08-04-2023, 05:44 PM

Current Bay Area sports scene…

Lost the Raiders.

Lost the A’s.

Stanford and Cal appear to be left out of a power conference.

And the Pac 12’s headquarters is (was) in San Francisco.

09-12-2011, 07:57 AM
Saulbadguy When a nightmare becomes real Join Date: Nov 2003 Casino cash: $766966	New Conference re-alignment thread The old one has AIDS. Anyways, Chip Brown from Orangebloods.com reports OU may apply to the Pac-12 by the end of the month. Oklahoma will apply for membership to the Pac-12 before the end of the month, and Oklahoma State is expected to follow suit, a source close to OU's administration told Orangebloods.com. Even though Pac-12 commissioner Larry Scott said Friday the Pac-12 was not interested in expansion at this time, OU's board of regents is fed up with the instability in the Big 12, the source said. The OU board of regents will meet within two weeks to formalize plans to apply for membership to the Pac-12, the source said. Messages left Sunday night with OU athletic director Joe Castiglione and Oklahoma State athletic director Mike Holder were not immediately returned. If OU follows through with what appears to be a unanimous sentiment on the seven-member Oklahoma board of regents to leave the Big 12, realignment in college athletics could be heating back up. OU's application would be matched by an application from Oklahoma State, the source said, even though OSU president Burns Hargis and mega-booster Boone Pickens both voiced their support for the Big 12 last Thursday. There is differing sentiment about if the Pac-12 presidents and chancellors are ready to expand again after bringing in Colorado and Utah last year and landing $3 billion TV contracts from Fox and ESPN. Colorado president Bruce Benson told reporters last week CU would be opposed to any expansion that might bring about east and west divisions in the Pac-12. Currently, there are north and south divisions in the Pac-12. If OU and OSU were to join, Larry Scott would have to get creative. Scott's orginal plan last summer was to bring in Colorado, Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State and put them in an eastern division with Arizona and Arizona State. The old Pac-8 schools (USC, UCLA, Cal, Stanford, Oregon, Oregon State, Washington and Washington State) were to be in the west division. Colorado made the move in June 2010, but when Texas A&M was not on board to go west, the Big 12 came back together with the help of its television partners (ABC/ESPN and Fox). If Oklahoma and Oklahoma State were accepted into the Pac-12, there would undoubtedly be a hope by Larry Scott that Texas would join the league. But Texas sources have indicated UT is determined to hang onto the Longhorn Network, which would not be permissible in the Pac-12 in its current form. Texas sources continue to indicate to Orangebloods.com that if the Big 12 falls apart, the Longhorns would consider "all options." Big 12 commissioner Dan Beebe held an emergency conference call 10 days ago with league presidents excluding Oklahoma, Texas and Texas A&M and asked the other league presidents to "work on Texas" because Beebe didn't think the Pac-12 would take Oklahoma without Texas. Now, it appears OU is willing to take its chances with the Pac-12 with or without Texas. There seemed to be a temporary pause in any possible shifting of the college athletics' landscape when Baylor led a charge to tie up Texas A&M's move to the Southeastern Conference in legal red tape. BU refused to waive its right to sue the SEC over A&M's departure from the Big 12, and the SEC said it would not admit Texas A&M until it had been cleared of any potential lawsuits. Baylor, Kansas and Iowa State have indicated they will not waive their right to sue the SEC. It's unclear if an application by OU to the Pac-12 would draw the same threats of litigation against the Pac-12 from those Big 12 schools. Stay tuned.
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08-04-2023, 04:23 PM	#10621
displacedinMN It was not a fair catch Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Correcting papers Casino cash: $1032630	The new Big12 seems like a good BBall conference. But WV at ASU will not be a fun game for football to watch-at 11pm Eastern. __________________ #investigatecarlcheffers
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08-04-2023, 04:30 PM	#10623
KingPriest2 Super Grover Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: KCMO Casino cash: $8935135	Lots of questions about this in the future There's the question of whether the 12-team CFP will still reserve six spots for conference champions in 2024. Exec Director Bill Hancock told me, "It’s too soon to say. The CFP Management Committee and the Board will discuss the future format when it becomes appropriate." https://twitter.com/slmandel/status/...n6FHKMqlrjZx2w __________________ Quote: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally Posted by Taco John If you're not sure who you're voting for at this point in time, you can abandon all connection to the word "smart." ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally Posted by Taco John ...He asked who I am voting for. I told him, "well, that depends... ."
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08-04-2023, 04:30 PM	#10624
displacedinMN It was not a fair catch Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Correcting papers Casino cash: $1032630	RIP #Pac12 �� Introducing…the Pac-4! pic.twitter.com/hhW8rBz5tr — Scot Hampton (@shamptonian) August 4, 2023 __________________ #investigatecarlcheffers
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08-04-2023, 04:35 PM	#10627
KingPriest2 Super Grover Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: KCMO Casino cash: $8935135	[QUOTE=kcclone;17043626]Yormark has already said he's looking at breaking out the basketball contract. I'm guessing he'll target Uconn and Gonzaga for hoops, but as far as football value, I don't think Uconn brings much. Plus, taking ASU was probably a negotiation point with Arizona and possibly Utah/CU.[/ The tv media deal covers both football and basketball __________________ Quote: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally Posted by Taco John If you're not sure who you're voting for at this point in time, you can abandon all connection to the word "smart." ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally Posted by Taco John ...He asked who I am voting for. I told him, "well, that depends... ."
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08-04-2023, 05:05 PM	#10630
KingPriest2 Super Grover Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: KCMO Casino cash: $8935135	The goal is to announce as three tomorrow at 10 AM. https://twitter.com/jasonscheer/stat...n6FHKMqlrjZx2w __________________ Quote: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally Posted by Taco John If you're not sure who you're voting for at this point in time, you can abandon all connection to the word "smart." ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally Posted by Taco John ...He asked who I am voting for. I told him, "well, that depends... ."
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08-04-2023, 05:10 PM	#10631
Pablo Ultrabanned Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Northland Casino cash: $109356	Big 12 gonna be alright after all... For now. No gay ass SEC SEC SEC type chants either.
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08-04-2023, 05:12 PM	#10632
KingPriest2 Super Grover Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: KCMO Casino cash: $8935135	ASU, Arizona and Utah are likely to announce Big-12 move tomorrow morning, which would take the conference to 16 teams. Still trying to confirm if it’ll be as immediate full share members but that appears likely. https://twitter.com/chriskarpman/sta...n6FHKMqlrjZx2w __________________ Quote: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally Posted by Taco John If you're not sure who you're voting for at this point in time, you can abandon all connection to the word "smart." ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally Posted by Taco John ...He asked who I am voting for. I told him, "well, that depends... ."
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08-04-2023, 05:14 PM	#10633
Pablo Ultrabanned Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Northland Casino cash: $109356	Just saw this a few minutes ago ASU, Arizona and Utah are likely to announce Big-12 move tomorrow morning, which would take the conference to 16 teams. Still trying to confirm if it’ll be as immediate full share members but that appears likely. https://t.co/89Q3gOjEyH — Chris Karpman (@ChrisKarpman) August 4, 2023
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08-04-2023, 05:44 PM	#10635
FloridaMan88 Mahomes: We Are All Witnesses Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Miami, FL Casino cash: $1252906	Current Bay Area sports scene… Lost the Raiders. Lost the A’s. Stanford and Cal appear to be left out of a power conference. And the Pac 12’s headquarters is (was) in San Francisco.
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