Funny Stuff New Conference re-alignment thread - Page 702

**Saulbadguy** · 09-12-2011, 07:57 AM

The old one has AIDS.

Anyways, Chip Brown from Orangebloods.com reports OU may apply to the Pac-12 by the end of the month.

Oklahoma will apply for membership to the Pac-12 before the end of the month, and Oklahoma State is expected to follow suit, a source close to OU's administration told Orangebloods.com.

Even though Pac-12 commissioner Larry Scott said Friday the Pac-12 was not interested in expansion at this time, OU's board of regents is fed up with the instability in the Big 12, the source said.

The OU board of regents will meet within two weeks to formalize plans to apply for membership to the Pac-12, the source said.

Messages left Sunday night with OU athletic director Joe Castiglione and Oklahoma State athletic director Mike Holder were not immediately returned.

If OU follows through with what appears to be a unanimous sentiment on the seven-member Oklahoma board of regents to leave the Big 12, realignment in college athletics could be heating back up. OU's application would be matched by an application from Oklahoma State, the source said, even though OSU president Burns Hargis and mega-booster Boone Pickens both voiced their support for the Big 12 last Thursday.

There is differing sentiment about if the Pac-12 presidents and chancellors are ready to expand again after bringing in Colorado and Utah last year and landing $3 billion TV contracts from Fox and ESPN. Colorado president Bruce Benson told reporters last week CU would be opposed to any expansion that might bring about east and west divisions in the Pac-12.

Currently, there are north and south divisions in the Pac-12. If OU and OSU were to join, Larry Scott would have to get creative.

Scott's orginal plan last summer was to bring in Colorado, Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State and put them in an eastern division with Arizona and Arizona State. The old Pac-8 schools (USC, UCLA, Cal, Stanford, Oregon, Oregon State, Washington and Washington State) were to be in the west division.

Colorado made the move in June 2010, but when Texas A&M was not on board to go west, the Big 12 came back together with the help of its television partners (ABC/ESPN and Fox).

If Oklahoma and Oklahoma State were accepted into the Pac-12, there would undoubtedly be a hope by Larry Scott that Texas would join the league. But Texas sources have indicated UT is determined to hang onto the Longhorn Network, which would not be permissible in the Pac-12 in its current form.

Texas sources continue to indicate to Orangebloods.com that if the Big 12 falls apart, the Longhorns would consider "all options."

Big 12 commissioner Dan Beebe held an emergency conference call 10 days ago with league presidents excluding Oklahoma, Texas and Texas A&M and asked the other league presidents to "work on Texas" because Beebe didn't think the Pac-12 would take Oklahoma without Texas.

Now, it appears OU is willing to take its chances with the Pac-12 with or without Texas.

There seemed to be a temporary pause in any possible shifting of the college athletics' landscape when Baylor led a charge to tie up Texas A&M's move to the Southeastern Conference in legal red tape. BU refused to waive its right to sue the SEC over A&M's departure from the Big 12, and the SEC said it would not admit Texas A&M until it had been cleared of any potential lawsuits.

Baylor, Kansas and Iowa State have indicated they will not waive their right to sue the SEC.

It's unclear if an application by OU to the Pac-12 would draw the same threats of litigation against the Pac-12 from those Big 12 schools.

Stay tuned.

FloridaMan88 · 08-04-2023, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by sedated

If Big 12 adds Arizona and ASU, they'll need a 16th team

That’s why I think the Big 12 should just go to 14 with Arizona and then wait to see who they can get from the ACC.

I think there will be a lot more ACC options in play for the Big 12 than people maybe think.., Florida State, Virginia Tech, Georgia Tech, possibly Miami.

Woogieman · 08-04-2023, 09:41 AM

What an overall loser for college athletics this has become. No regional "charm", no conference pride when there are 18+ teams from 2,000 miles away. Who wins? Just the administrators? Both football and BBall championships were the lowest rated in history...could be an anomaly, but I don't think so. I'm sure the fans didn't...well except those hardcore Rutgers fans that will drive to Eugene for a road game. The hwys and airports will surely be packed with WV and UCF fans going to Lubbock and Provo.

KingPriest2 · 08-04-2023, 09:41 AM

A reminder that the Apple offer to the #PacX expires at midnight.

https://twitter.com/gswaim/status/16...n6FHKMqlrjZx2w

Stewie · 08-04-2023, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by BWillie

All money aside, how much more travel expenses does a school from the Pac have to incur should they join the Big 12? 31.7M vs 21M but if you have 5M more in travel expenses maybe thats the argument. Either way you want your program on regular TV for eye balls and exposure.

The University of Arizona is closer to all Big 12 schools than it is to the Washington schools and it's a push for Oregon schools.

KingPriest2 · 08-04-2023, 10:02 AM

Reminder re: Washington's current athletic budget issues: "Debt service will increase from $9.8 million per year to $17.7 million per year in FY26 due to the resumption of principal payments on ICA loans."

https://twitter.com/jamescrepea/stat...n6FHKMqlrjZx2w

Tell me how you'd be fulfilling your fiduciary responsibility by signing a GOR and media deal with non-binding flimsy numbers from Apple - let alone the crushing blow to exposure - when you're already on the hook for $8M+ per year more in debt payments in year 2 of whatever deal you sign. And you wonder why UW wants more up front from B1G.

https://twitter.com/jamescrepea/stat...n6FHKMqlrjZx2w

sedated · 08-04-2023, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Woogieman

What an overall loser for college athletics this has become. No regional "charm", no conference pride when there are 18+ teams from 2,000 miles away. Who wins? Just the administrators? Both football and BBall championships were the lowest rated in history...could be an anomaly, but I don't think so. I'm sure the fans didn't...well except those hardcore Rutgers fans that will drive to Eugene for a road game. The hwys and airports will surely be packed with WV and UCF fans going to Lubbock and Provo.

While it is terrible for college sports, the title games this year were an anomaly - everyone knew that Georgia was going to blow out TCU, and I actually had to look up who played UCONN in the title game (San Diego State)

MarkDavis'Haircut · 08-04-2023, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefspants

How do people like this end up in these positions?

“it’s almost like he’s being dragged across the finish line,” a person directly familiar with tonight’s ABOR meeting told me about their view ASU President Michael Crow on the school’s potential move to the Big-12.

More:https://t.co/d8QgueeqRN pic.twitter.com/zcNC6xHCwu
— Chris Karpman (@ChrisKarpman) August 4, 2023

The hoops fan in me would be okay UCONN as a consolation. UCONN, Arizona, and Houston entering the Big 12 is just insane to think about at this juncture.

They have degrees. Just not degrees in common sense.

FloridaMan88 · 08-04-2023, 10:13 AM

If Oregon and Washington have an opening to go to the richest conference in terms of a media rights deal, they aren’t staying in a collapsing dumpster fire conference.

Sources: Washington and Oregon are "fully engaged" with the Big Ten. Things remain fluid, but are trending in that direction.
— Pete Thamel (@PeteThamel) August 4, 2023

tredadda · 08-04-2023, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88

It’s been like two years of trying and failing to get a viable new media rights for the Pac 12… the schools with options to get out need to see through this last minute bullshit and leave.

If they couldn’t strike a deal when they had USC/UCLA/CU, not sure how they will now without them. The PAC-12 lost the LA and Denver markets.

KingPriest2 · 08-04-2023, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88

If Oregon and Washington have an opening to go to the richest conference in terms of a media rights deal, they aren’t staying in a collapsing dumpster fire conference.

Sources: Washington and Oregon are "fully engaged" with the Big Ten. Things remain fluid, but are trending in that direction.
— Pete Thamel (@PeteThamel) August 4, 2023

Pete late as always

KingPriest2 · 08-04-2023, 10:20 AM

Notre Dame & @UnderArmour announce 10 more years in their apparel deal

https://twitter.com/g13lewis/status/...n6FHKMqlrjZx2w

tredadda · 08-04-2023, 10:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88

If Oregon and Washington have an opening to go to the richest conference in terms of a media rights deal, they aren’t staying in a collapsing dumpster fire conference.

Sources: Washington and Oregon are "fully engaged" with the Big Ten. Things remain fluid, but are trending in that direction.
— Pete Thamel (@PeteThamel) August 4, 2023

Having two other conference mates there also helps with the decision.

Mr. Plow · 08-04-2023, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88

That’s why I think the Big 12 should just go to 14 with Arizona and then wait to see who they can get from the ACC.

I think there will be a lot more ACC options in play for the Big 12 than people maybe think.., Florida State, Virginia Tech, Georgia Tech, possibly Miami.

KingPriest2 · 08-04-2023, 10:47 AM

It’s happening!

BREAKING: Oregon & Washington joining Big Ten, becoming latest schools to leave Pac-12; putting Pac-12 future in doubt, sources told @ActionNetworkHQ 👀👀👀

https://twitter.com/brett_mcmurphy/s...n6FHKMqlrjZx2w

KingPriest2 · 08-04-2023, 10:49 AM

Pac 12 is dead! Looks like the Big 10 are till the bad guys. They killed it

Oregon and Washington informed Pac-12 presidents earlier that they plan to accept an invitation from the Big Ten, sources tell me and @DanWetzel. An invitation from the Big Ten is expected soon.

https://twitter.com/rossdellenger/st...n6FHKMqlrjZx2w

09-12-2011, 07:57 AM
Saulbadguy When a nightmare becomes real Join Date: Nov 2003 Casino cash: $746966	New Conference re-alignment thread The old one has AIDS. Anyways, Chip Brown from Orangebloods.com reports OU may apply to the Pac-12 by the end of the month. Oklahoma will apply for membership to the Pac-12 before the end of the month, and Oklahoma State is expected to follow suit, a source close to OU's administration told Orangebloods.com. Even though Pac-12 commissioner Larry Scott said Friday the Pac-12 was not interested in expansion at this time, OU's board of regents is fed up with the instability in the Big 12, the source said. The OU board of regents will meet within two weeks to formalize plans to apply for membership to the Pac-12, the source said. Messages left Sunday night with OU athletic director Joe Castiglione and Oklahoma State athletic director Mike Holder were not immediately returned. If OU follows through with what appears to be a unanimous sentiment on the seven-member Oklahoma board of regents to leave the Big 12, realignment in college athletics could be heating back up. OU's application would be matched by an application from Oklahoma State, the source said, even though OSU president Burns Hargis and mega-booster Boone Pickens both voiced their support for the Big 12 last Thursday. There is differing sentiment about if the Pac-12 presidents and chancellors are ready to expand again after bringing in Colorado and Utah last year and landing $3 billion TV contracts from Fox and ESPN. Colorado president Bruce Benson told reporters last week CU would be opposed to any expansion that might bring about east and west divisions in the Pac-12. Currently, there are north and south divisions in the Pac-12. If OU and OSU were to join, Larry Scott would have to get creative. Scott's orginal plan last summer was to bring in Colorado, Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State and put them in an eastern division with Arizona and Arizona State. The old Pac-8 schools (USC, UCLA, Cal, Stanford, Oregon, Oregon State, Washington and Washington State) were to be in the west division. Colorado made the move in June 2010, but when Texas A&M was not on board to go west, the Big 12 came back together with the help of its television partners (ABC/ESPN and Fox). If Oklahoma and Oklahoma State were accepted into the Pac-12, there would undoubtedly be a hope by Larry Scott that Texas would join the league. But Texas sources have indicated UT is determined to hang onto the Longhorn Network, which would not be permissible in the Pac-12 in its current form. Texas sources continue to indicate to Orangebloods.com that if the Big 12 falls apart, the Longhorns would consider "all options." Big 12 commissioner Dan Beebe held an emergency conference call 10 days ago with league presidents excluding Oklahoma, Texas and Texas A&M and asked the other league presidents to "work on Texas" because Beebe didn't think the Pac-12 would take Oklahoma without Texas. Now, it appears OU is willing to take its chances with the Pac-12 with or without Texas. There seemed to be a temporary pause in any possible shifting of the college athletics' landscape when Baylor led a charge to tie up Texas A&M's move to the Southeastern Conference in legal red tape. BU refused to waive its right to sue the SEC over A&M's departure from the Big 12, and the SEC said it would not admit Texas A&M until it had been cleared of any potential lawsuits. Baylor, Kansas and Iowa State have indicated they will not waive their right to sue the SEC. It's unclear if an application by OU to the Pac-12 would draw the same threats of litigation against the Pac-12 from those Big 12 schools. Stay tuned.
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08-04-2023, 09:41 AM	#10517
Woogieman Veteran Join Date: Mar 2021 Casino cash: $3050400	What an overall loser for college athletics this has become. No regional "charm", no conference pride when there are 18+ teams from 2,000 miles away. Who wins? Just the administrators? Both football and BBall championships were the lowest rated in history...could be an anomaly, but I don't think so. I'm sure the fans didn't...well except those hardcore Rutgers fans that will drive to Eugene for a road game. The hwys and airports will surely be packed with WV and UCF fans going to Lubbock and Provo.
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KingPriest2 Super Grover Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: KCMO Casino cash: $8925135	A reminder that the Apple offer to the #PacX expires at midnight. https://twitter.com/gswaim/status/16...n6FHKMqlrjZx2w __________________ Quote: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally Posted by Taco John If you're not sure who you're voting for at this point in time, you can abandon all connection to the word "smart." ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally Posted by Taco John ...He asked who I am voting for. I told him, "well, that depends... ."
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KingPriest2 Super Grover Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: KCMO Casino cash: $8925135	Reminder re: Washington's current athletic budget issues: "Debt service will increase from $9.8 million per year to $17.7 million per year in FY26 due to the resumption of principal payments on ICA loans." https://twitter.com/jamescrepea/stat...n6FHKMqlrjZx2w Tell me how you'd be fulfilling your fiduciary responsibility by signing a GOR and media deal with non-binding flimsy numbers from Apple - let alone the crushing blow to exposure - when you're already on the hook for $8M+ per year more in debt payments in year 2 of whatever deal you sign. And you wonder why UW wants more up front from B1G. https://twitter.com/jamescrepea/stat...n6FHKMqlrjZx2w __________________ Quote: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally Posted by Taco John If you're not sure who you're voting for at this point in time, you can abandon all connection to the word "smart." ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally Posted by Taco John ...He asked who I am voting for. I told him, "well, that depends... ."
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08-04-2023, 10:13 AM	#10523
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08-04-2023, 10:20 AM	#10526
KingPriest2 Super Grover Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: KCMO Casino cash: $8925135	Notre Dame & @UnderArmour announce 10 more years in their apparel deal https://twitter.com/g13lewis/status/...n6FHKMqlrjZx2w __________________ Quote: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally Posted by Taco John If you're not sure who you're voting for at this point in time, you can abandon all connection to the word "smart." ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally Posted by Taco John ...He asked who I am voting for. I told him, "well, that depends... ."
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08-04-2023, 10:47 AM	#10529
KingPriest2 Super Grover Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: KCMO Casino cash: $8925135	It’s happening! BREAKING: Oregon & Washington joining Big Ten, becoming latest schools to leave Pac-12; putting Pac-12 future in doubt, sources told @ActionNetworkHQ 👀👀👀 https://twitter.com/brett_mcmurphy/s...n6FHKMqlrjZx2w __________________ Quote: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally Posted by Taco John If you're not sure who you're voting for at this point in time, you can abandon all connection to the word "smart." ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally Posted by Taco John ...He asked who I am voting for. I told him, "well, that depends... ."
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08-04-2023, 10:49 AM	#10530
KingPriest2 Super Grover Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: KCMO Casino cash: $8925135	Pac 12 is dead! Looks like the Big 10 are till the bad guys. They killed it Oregon and Washington informed Pac-12 presidents earlier that they plan to accept an invitation from the Big Ten, sources tell me and @DanWetzel. An invitation from the Big Ten is expected soon. https://twitter.com/rossdellenger/st...n6FHKMqlrjZx2w __________________ Quote: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally Posted by Taco John If you're not sure who you're voting for at this point in time, you can abandon all connection to the word "smart." ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally Posted by Taco John ...He asked who I am voting for. I told him, "well, that depends... ."
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