*****The Kingsley Suamataia Thread*****

[Dante84]

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Man!!!! I love Andy Reid. The @Chiefs and Andy Reid are offensive line savants. Kingsley Suamataia has big time potential. I think he he can be awesome guard or tackle. Just needs a little technique work. He is an aggressive killer who is great athlete.

— Chris Simms (@CSimmsQB) April 27, 2024

Kingsley Suamataia is a versatile offensive tackle who split his 1,300 career snaps at BYU almost exactly down the middle between left and right tackle.

My favorite line from Dane Brugler's draft guide: "He delivers more pancakes than Denny's" ��

— Matt McMullen (@KCChiefs_Matt) April 27, 2024

Kingsley Suamataia since 2022:

701 pass-blocking snaps
24 QB pressures allowed
2 sacks allowed

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— PFF KC Chiefs (@PFF_Chiefs) April 27, 2024

.@Chiefs @BYUfootball #KingsleySuamataia lots to like; lots to work with. #GoCougs have been turning out OLineman over past 4 years. #BaldysBreakdowns pic.twitter.com/4yDc6HYI6i

— Brian Baldinger (@BaldyNFL) April 27, 2024

Kingsley Sumataia | OT | BYU

Traitsy OT w/ great size+athleticism+strengt. Easy range in the run game to pull or climb to landmarks or hit set points in slide. Patient hand usage to stay square and trust his lateral agility. Pad level & overall technique should develop in NFL. pic.twitter.com/p9zOJEuMkr

— Matt Lane (@Matty_KCSN) March 26, 2024

The @Chiefs just selected Kingsley Suamataia, who is 6'5" and 326 lbs and can do this ⬇️

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— NFL (@NFL) April 27, 2024

[tredadda]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

This might just be a miscommunication. And yeah, it may STILL be Kingsley's fault, but remember late last season when everyone was saying "Just chip at LT..." and I think it was Schwartz that was saying "Guys, it's not that simple..."

He was telling folks that 'just chip' isn't a panacea because most OTs struggle to deal with that chip help when they don't know how the chip is going to actually go. Kingsley has no way to know that Kelce's not just going to redirect the guys shoulder but instead is going to shove him across into the adjacent gap.

A lot of the time a chip is just designed to turn a guy sideways and keep his hands down so the OT can get into him. Kelce did way more than that there and shoved him clear into the other gap.

Now maybe that was what he was supposed to do but it's also possible, even likely, that Kelce just got a little amped up and put more into it than Kingsley expected.

That is MUCH more complicated than y'all are making it. Because if Kelce doesn't blast that guy and Kingsley doesn't set up wide there, the rusher just beats him to the outside again. And Kingsley is completely reactionary there. He has no way to know what Kelce is going to do there until he does it.

Looking at that video after reading what you posted and it makes a lot of sense. Kingsley seemed like he was prepping to block outside and then Kelce shoves the defender inside which game him a free path to the QB. Maybe it was by design and Kingsley screwed up.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by nychief

Looks to me like he doesn't anticipate and get deep enough on speed rushes on obvious passing downs.

I mean the coaching staff knows what is going on... we started running more this season because the LT is a weakness and to keep the rush honest.

I actually thought he got deep enough for the most part, he just wasn't actually finishing his punch.

That's why I said I thought the athleticism was okay, he just wasn't committing to first contact there and it was forcing him to work from his heels.

[tredadda]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Has there ever been an OL that has looked as bad as Kingsley and worked out?

Yes I get Fisher struggled mightily he first year starting. Even struggled year 2. He was not anywhere near this bad though.

This is KeiVarae Russell territory. I seriously have to wonder if Andy Heck has brought up the possibility that this kid just isn’t an NFL player and they blipped the pick.

Not trying to be negative here but I just don’t see anything that flashes for him aside from his athleticism on screens.

I think you are overreacting quite a bit. Give the kid a full offseason to improve before putting him in the Russell territory. Fisher struggled, but played RT as a rookie if memory serves me right.

[BWillie]

Just find a really athletic guy with long arms and make him eat Joes BBQ for 3 years straight. Then have him standup at LT once he is 310 lbs.

[DJ's left nut]

We're gonna find out what the staff thinks about Kingsley's performance soon enough.

If they think he was as bad as Run does, you'll see Ethan Driskell as a gameday active next week - simple as that.

[BWillie]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

We're gonna find out what the staff thinks about Kingsley's performance soon enough.

If they think he was as bad as Run does, you'll see Ethan Driskell as a gameday active next week - simple as that.

I liked some of the early returns on him in preseason games but who the hell really knows.

[crispystl]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I genuinely think it's because they never saw him against speed.

We don't HAVE any. So who the hell is he going to against in Camp that shows that he can't handle guys who can attack his outside shoulder relentlessly?

The guys that have killed him have just DESTROYED his outside shoulder. Over and over and over and over again.

And he just doesn't know how/where/when to aim and deliver his punch on guys like that.

Its kinda crazy to me.

Yeah, and I'm assuming maybe they thought he would handle speed well since he's athletic, but boy those feet sure are slow and heavy pass pro.

[Lzen]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I'm sure there will be some play by play breakdowns of his performance over the course of the week.

And I don't think they're gonna paint a rosy picture by any means.

But I do think they'll demonstrate that he wasn't out there tripping over his feet on every play. He showed a decent base and functional strength. He showed solid athleticism. He showed some traits.

He just couldn't handle Bonitto at all. Especially when he was out in that 9 position. I'm hopeful someone like Keysor does a breakdown of some of the plays where he was successful because I think there were more than you realize.

There was a play where Mahomes got hit, maybe late 2nd quarter, deeper in our territory. And EVERYONE in the game thread bagged on Kingsley. I really didn't understand it because I specifically watched him on the play and he stood his guy up and then drove him inside into the trash. And eventually Mahomes got hit but it was because the pocket just got pushed in and he held the ball waaaaaay too long. But Kingsley did his job there yet he was still getting trashed because Mahomes took contact.

Maybe I missed it - I'm open to that possibility. But it's certainly not what I saw.

Yeah, I said to the Mrs our guys, specifically our offensive line, are playing flat. Even the interior guys were not good. And I don't care how much praise Thuney gets, he does not look to being back to full health to me.

Kingsley was bad but I won't write him off just yet.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

We're gonna find out what the staff thinks about Kingsley's performance soon enough.

If they think he was as bad as Run does, you'll see Ethan Driskell as a gameday active next week - simple as that.

I would think they just bring Smith in before they go that route but point still stands.

I would be shocked if Veach saw what we saw with Mahomes taking those hits and thinks it's acceptable to stick with the status quo.

[Wisconsin_Chief]

Help on the way?

https://wnflsports.com/2024/11/12/ba...rQzUqN_0YFGK4A

(LEARFIELD) – A tweet from former Packers offensive lineman David Bakhtiari is getting some attention.

Bakhtiari reached out to Kansas City Chiefs quarterback Patrick Mahomes saying he would play left tackle for the Chiefs if the Colorado Buffaloes beat Mahomes’ alma mater Texas Tech.

The Buffs did win and fans are speculating what might happen next.

Kansas City is undefeated but has a big hole at left tackle where consistent play is lacking.

It’s been years since Bakhtiari played regularly, but even when injured he has been one of the most effective left tackles in the NFL when on the field.

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

We're gonna find out what the staff thinks about Kingsley's performance soon enough.

If they think he was as bad as Run does, you'll see Ethan Driskell as a gameday active next week - simple as that.

I am trying my best to be fair to this kid, but the facts are he’s played 106 pass blocking snaps and has allowed:

13 pressures
3 sacks
5 hurries
5 hits

He just isn’t playable right now and Morris looking like Willie Roaf in comparison is eye-opening.

I think anyone would agree that he’s looked worse than any early draft pick we’ve had in the Veach era. I mean Skyy was invisible but not actively losing games for us in his first 3 starts.

It’s really concerning just how bad this kid has been

[pugsnotdrugs19]

He needs a full reset. Start his offseason right now, he shouldn't put the pads on again for a game this year.

Then, if he gives a **** about his career, which I sadly worry about after seeing him show no concern for Mahomes on the ground, he will do WHATEVER it takes to improve. Work with Duke, Heck, IDC. But it should be his sole focus every day damn near all day; ironing out those really bad habits.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

He needs a full reset. Start his offseason right now, he shouldn't put the pads on again for a game this year.

Then, if he gives a **** about his career, which I sadly worry about after seeing him show no concern for Mahomes on the ground, he will do WHATEVER it takes to improve. Work with Duke, Heck, IDC. But it should be his sole focus every day damn near all day; ironing out those really bad habits.

Seriously? You're going to subscribe to the "he doesn't care" bullshit too?

It's pure hyperbolic bullshit.

There's any number of reasons that explain that behavior. Maybe he was shell-shocked. Maybe he was thinking about how bad he was gonna get beat on the next play. Maybe he was despondent because he was letting Pat get hit so much.

But yeah, let's just jump to "he doesn't care". SMH

[RunKC]

Yeah to me he didn’t look like he didn’t care. From what I saw he looked embarrassed and frustrated bc he was helpless out there.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

OK guys, he's embarrassed whatever, you still have to be aware enough to help your QB out. If he is that ****ed mentally, he needs to take the year off on game days without a question.