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Old 04-15-2025, 07:20 AM  
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Old 04-16-2025, 09:36 AM   #91
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Old 04-16-2025, 09:54 AM   #92
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There really aren't any positives. The guys that suffer this kind of injury just never fully recover. Again, this isn't about medical exams. Nobody will know if he's good to go until he steps on the field.
I keep seeing people say "It depends on the medical staff's opinion!" but the medical staff would have to have an opinion that completely ignores the history of this injury to believe he is "the same" as he was before the injury.

Drafting Simmons is basically betting on him being a unicorn, the one dude who actually comes back to what he was before the injury.

As far as positives, I mean, is it a positive that 1/2 the guys who have this injury as NFL players play again? If you HAVE to squint and find a positive, there it is.

It's a coin flip on ending careers. And not just the NFL. NBA, too. (Jeremy Lin, Andre Roberson, Victor Oladipo all had it end their NBA careers in the past 5-10 years).
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Old 04-16-2025, 09:58 AM   #93
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Well, I hope Veach is calling around with general "What would it take...?" calls. That is part of his due diligence to prepare for the "what if someone slides" scenarios.

Each year Veach gives some number of players a 1st round grade. And no, it isn't 32 players every year that get that grade. IIRC, this is what prompted the trade up for McDuffie.

McDuffie was one of Veach's 1st round guys and when he started to slide Veach went up to get him (leaving Kaiir Elam for Buffalo which is hilarious).

Won't know until after the draft but it seems unlikely Veach has a 1st round grade on a 300 pound lineman with a torn patellar tendon.
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I ran the purported trade thru the draft simulator on ESPN and I grabbed Walter Nolen....picked up Aironte Ersery and Kaleb Johnson later...

Still didn't like the draft i ended up with. I just don't see this trade paying off for KC in the long run.

Heck we could stay pat and still end up with Nolen...plus not have to give up any other later draft picks....

I did this mock draft and the Chiefs traded up to me at 14 and I accepted just to see who the simulator took and they managed to get Ashton Jeanty that inexplicably slipped and I'm only saying this because WOW I would not know how to feel about that.


I am pretty sure I'd talk myself into it almost immediately


Also I feel like 4 out of 5 drafts the Chiefs got Malachi Starks and it's a bit of a steal and I wouldn't hate it
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I ask again - based on what?

He was a 2nd day pick after his first season at Ohio State. He then played 6 mediocre (or worse teams) before getting hurt and had his worst game against the one quality team he played before he got hurt.

Then they replaced him with Donovan Jackson and won a championship without him.

What did we see from Simmons that even says he's a top 10 pick, let alone top 5?

This was a 12-15 talent -- probably -- had he not gotten hurt. AND had he actually played well in a conference season; which certainly wasn't a given.

I just don't see where anyone is getting this 'elite if healthy' stufff with Josh Simmons. He wasn't. And then he got hurt.

This just feels like the Justyn Ross "He was a 1st round talent before the injuries!" stuff. People projected his talent based on a few strong games as a freshman and they presumed a continued strong development curve. Then they AGAIN presumed he'd get back to healthy.

In all likelihood neither thing was true. His development curve wouldn't have taken him to 1st round status even if healthy and then it turns out he was never going to be the same player even AFTER he was 'healed' from the injuries he'd had.

And there were people looking at him as a potential 1st or 2nd round pick in that draft 'round here. And many of those same folks are making the same mistakes now that they made then.



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Old 04-16-2025, 10:45 AM   #96
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Still think Seattle at #18 is the move. They have many spots to fill and a major need for interior lineman.

Seattle gets:
Smith
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2026 4th rounder

Chiefs get:
#18-I'd draft a DL, probably Harmon, this early.
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Old 04-16-2025, 10:50 AM   #97
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Still think Seattle at #18 is the move. They have many spots to fill and a major need for interior lineman.

Seattle gets:
Smith
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2026 4th rounder

Chiefs get:
#18-I'd draft a DL, probably Harmon, this early.
That makes absolutely no sense beyond a salary purge.

This ain't even news. Teams making calls about possibly moving up or down is due diligence that happens every year. I know it's a slow news period and all.....
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Still think Seattle at #18 is the move. They have many spots to fill and a major need for interior lineman.

Seattle gets:
Smith
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Chiefs get:
#18-I'd draft a DL, probably Harmon, this early.

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Still think Seattle at #18 is the move. They have many spots to fill and a major need for interior lineman.

Seattle gets:
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Chiefs get:
#18-I'd draft a DL, probably Harmon, this early.
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Still think Seattle at #18 is the move. They have many spots to fill and a major need for interior lineman.

Seattle gets:
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Chiefs get:
#18-I'd draft a DL, probably Harmon, this early.
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That makes absolutely no sense beyond a salary purge.

This ain't even news. Teams making calls about possibly moving up or down is due diligence that happens every year. I know it's a slow news period and all.....
I get it but I'm still having a hard time seeing Veach make Smith the highest paid guard in the NFL. It's also a HUGE need for Seattle.
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I get it but I'm still having a hard time seeing Veach make Smith the highest paid guard in the NFL. It's also a HUGE need for Seattle.
Personally, I’d prefer to trade Trey Smith if we can get decent value for him. It doesn’t seem wise to make smith the highest paid guard. I realize that would leave a lot of holes on the oline but there are several good tackles that project as guards and good guards as well. If veach can locate and draft a good guard in say the 3rd round to compete for a starting spot, I’d go for trading smith.
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Still think Seattle at #18 is the move. They have many spots to fill and a major need for interior lineman.

Seattle gets:
Smith
#31
2026 4th rounder

Chiefs get:
#18-I'd draft a DL, probably Harmon, this early.
Would Seattle really accept this trade?

Maybe if you throw in Skyy Moore they might consider it, seeing how they lost Metcalf.
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