Playcalling is not the issue

[FringeNC]

Playcalling is not the reason we averaged 4.1 yards per play. There is an elephant in the room this season and it is offensive line play (both LT and RT) and the effect it's had on Mahomes' pocket presence. We are bottom-tier offensively. Run, pass, it doesn't matter -- there are no big plays or easy throws like you see with decent to good offense. Our offense is one of the worst in the league. (If you deny that, you simply don't watch much football. Sorry.)

On the flip side, our D was spectacular today. One of the best performances I can remember.

[MahomesMagic]

Kansas City ranked 19th in the NFL points per play.

We had always been at the top until last year.

[Chiefspants]

We traded an abysmal LT for a negative LT and an elite guard for a negative guard.

I get why the Chiefs are so hesitant to commit to this long term. Our whole left side was being caved in and we had nothing pounding the rock all game.

[dlphg9]

Originally Posted by wachashi

Morris is currently ranked as the 73rd best Tackle out of 80 on PFF. Taylor is 53/80.

Pretty clear what the problem is.

Taylor is 37/134 in pass blocking and Morris is 94/134.

Creed is #1 in pass blocking from C
Thuney is #1 in pass blocking from G
Smith is #38 in pass blocking from G

1/3 of Morris's pressures came during the Raiders game so I hear. That tanked his grade.

This should be perfectly fine for a player of Mahomes ability.

[Chiefspants]

Are there any NFL starters who currently rank lower than Morris?

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by dlphg9

Taylor is 37/134 in pass blocking and Morris is 94/134.

Creed is #1 in pass blocking from C
Thuney is #1 in pass blocking from G
Smith is #38 in pass blocking from G

1/3 of Morris's pressures came during the Raiders game so I hear. That tanked his grade.

This should be perfectly fine for a player of Mahomes ability.

I know what point you're trying to make but I couldn't really read the rest of your post after seeing Smith's ranking.

There's no way they should pay that guy.

[FringeNC]

Originally Posted by dlphg9

Taylor is 37/134 in pass blocking and Morris is 94/134.

Creed is #1 in pass blocking from C
Thuney is #1 in pass blocking from G
Smith is #38 in pass blocking from G

1/3 of Morris's pressures came during the Raiders game so I hear. That tanked his grade.

This should be perfectly fine for a player of Mahomes ability.

I'm not sure I buy those rankings. Other than yards per play, which is one of the worst in the entire league (after leading the league usually with Mahomes), the rest of the O metrics aren't bad. Scoring, total yards, etc. because Mahomes is still pulling rabbits out on many third downs. Mahomes is not having a good year by his standards, but most QBs behind this line would be doing worse.

I'd argue YPP measures largely offensive line performance and what you do with those yards per play measures QB performance with skilled positions players contributing to both.

[O.city]

The problem, IMO, is some of the "rabbits" he's pulling out are created because he runs out of a decent pocket or doesn't read things out.

He's just not playing well. Yes, he's been under pressure. Some of that is his own fault.

[wachashi]

Of Tackles that have played 125+ snaps, Morris is graded at 72/83. There is a reason he was benched and replaced with a Guard. And there is a reason we signed Humphries. He is terrible. The coaching staff and Mahomes has lost confidence in him.

Here are the 11 Tackles below him.


Evan Neal

Trevor Penning

Broderick Jones

Warren McClendon Jr.

Fred Johnson

Germain Ifedi

Demontrey Jacobs

Nicholas Petit-Frere

Stone Forsythe

James Hudson III

Chris Hubbard

[Dunerdr]

Originally Posted by wachashi

Of Tackles that have played 125+ snaps, Morris is graded at 72/83. There is a reason he was benched and replaced with a Guard. And there is a reason we signed Humphries. He is terrible. The coaching staff and Mahomes has lost confidence in him.

Here are the 11 Tackles below him.


Evan Neal

Trevor Penning

Broderick Jones

Warren McClendon Jr.

Fred Johnson

Germain Ifedi

Demontrey Jacobs

Nicholas Petit-Frere

Stone Forsythe

James Hudson III

Chris Hubbard

I see two names that I was told we should have traded up for instead of taking FAU and Worthy. Interesting. It's almost as if it is all a crapshoot.

[wachashi]

Originally Posted by wachashi

Of Tackles that have played 125+ snaps, Morris is graded at 72/83. There is a reason he was benched and replaced with a Guard. And there is a reason we signed Humphries. He is terrible. The coaching staff and Mahomes has lost confidence in him.

Here are the 11 Tackles below him.


Evan Neal

Trevor Penning

Broderick Jones

Warren McClendon Jr.

Fred Johnson

Germain Ifedi

Demontrey Jacobs

Nicholas Petit-Frere

Stone Forsythe

James Hudson III

Chris Hubbard

This is just the pass blocking grade, by the way.

[wachashi]

Originally Posted by dlphg9

Taylor is 37/134 in pass blocking and Morris is 94/134.

Creed is #1 in pass blocking from C
Thuney is #1 in pass blocking from G
Smith is #38 in pass blocking from G

1/3 of Morris's pressures came during the Raiders game so I hear. That tanked his grade.

This should be perfectly fine for a player of Mahomes ability.

LT is the most important position on the offensive line in pure pass blocking sets. Are you saying Morris is perfectly fine? Mahomes is so good that he doesn't need a functioning LT?

[Wallcrawler]

Originally Posted by wachashi

LT is the most important position on the offensive line in pure pass blocking sets. Are you saying Morris is perfectly fine? Mahomes is so good that he doesn't need a functioning LT?

Dilphag believes Mahomes should be perfectly fine with his blindside defender slapping Wanyas hands like he got caught in the cookie jar and instantly blowing by him.

Unfortunately for dilphag, 3 time superbowl champ, 3 time superbowl mvp, and 2 time league mvp Patrick Mahomes delivered the kiss of death by exhibiting his fury with Wanya openly on the field after another tragi-comic snap he took at left tackle.

Brett Veach rolled the dice on a guy coming off an acl tear, and Andy has put our left guard in to play tackle.

Wanya Morris will never take another meaningful snap this season unless someone literally dies.

Fortunately for us, we have dilphag to inform us all on what a travesty of talent evaluation this is.

[King_Chief_Fan]

Originally Posted by O.city

The problem, IMO, is some of the "rabbits" he's pulling out are created because he runs out of a decent pocket or doesn't read things out.

He's just not playing well. Yes, he's been under pressure. Some of that is his own fault.

Ding ding
Give this guy a cigar
He is right

[dlphg9]

Originally Posted by Wallcrawler

Dilphag believes Mahomes should be perfectly fine with his blindside defender slapping Wanyas hands like he got caught in the cookie jar and instantly blowing by him.

Unfortunately for dilphag, 3 time superbowl champ, 3 time superbowl mvp, and 2 time league mvp Patrick Mahomes delivered the kiss of death by exhibiting his fury with Wanya openly on the field after another tragi-comic snap he took at left tackle.

Brett Veach rolled the dice on a guy coming off an acl tear, and Andy has put our left guard in to play tackle.

Wanya Morris will never take another meaningful snap this season unless someone literally dies.

Fortunately for us, we have dilphag to inform us all on what a travesty of talent evaluation this is.

Obsessed much?

[dlphg9]

Originally Posted by FringeNC

I'm not sure I buy those rankings. Other than yards per play, which is one of the worst in the entire league (after leading the league usually with Mahomes), the rest of the O metrics aren't bad. Scoring, total yards, etc. because Mahomes is still pulling rabbits out on many third downs. Mahomes is not having a good year by his standards, but most QBs behind this line would be doing worse.

I'd argue YPP measures largely offensive line performance and what you do with those yards per play measures QB performance with skilled positions players contributing to both.

Well if you don't trust PFF, then here is ESPNs pass block win rate for everyone but the LT.

For all interior offensive lineman:

Joe Thuney - #1 98% win rate
Creed Humphrey - #5 96% win rate
Trey Smith - #12 95% win rate

This is for tackles:

Jawaan Taylor - #13 92% win rate

Both PFF and ESPN have 4/5 of our offensive lineman ranked very high in pass blocking. Mahomes is responsible for more pressure than a lot of people want to admit.