Patrick Mahomes isn't "broken" you ****ing dorks

[carcosa]

"broken" "abomination" "Rick Ankiel"

These are all words that people used to describe Patrick ****ing Mahomes tonight. I mean, are you listening to yourselves? Rick ****ING Ankiel?????

Look, I'm not going to pretend like he's been himself all year. He's not seeing the field as well as usual, he's struggling to trust his OL and occasionally scrambling out of clean pockets, he's missing some throws, some of those turnovers have actually been his fault and not just the receivers being unable to hold onto the ****in ball.

But all the wannabe psychologists and family therapists on this site are driving me up a ****ing wall. You don't know what the **** is going on in his head and you don't know what affect his family life has on his play.

What you DO know, based on a 3 season sample size, is that he's the greatest QB through ~50 games in NFL history. You know that he's won multiple comeback playoff games, two AFC titles, and a Super Bowl. You even know (or at least you ****ing should, unless you've been too busy moaning to actually read anything), that by most metrics he's actually been pretty good overall this season. His "turnover worthy" plays are actually DOWN from past years. He's #4 in the league in touchdowns. His TD% is identical to last season and higher that 2019. Before Tennessee, which is easily the biggest outlier of his career including the other "bad" games this season, he was leading one of the most efficient offenses of all time in terms of points per drive — yes, better than 2018. I know it doesn't feel that way because so many guys on this team (including, yes, Patrick himself on a few occasions) can't hold onto the ****ing ball. But that's the ****ing truth.

If he were moping during press conferences or lashing out on social media, I might give a little bit more credence to the narrative that he's moments away from a nervous breakdown. Not very much, but a little bit. But he's not. He's being honest (almost to a fault) about his role in the team's struggles and projecting confidence that he can turn it around. What more can he possibly do to convince some of you losers to hold onto a bit of that confidence yourselves? Does he need to go back in time and miraculously heal Schwartz and Fisher and win that Super Bowl? Should he just commit seppuku at midfield? What do you want??

Patrick Mahomes is not broken. He's slumping. Every QB slumps occasionally. Not every QB calls having the 4th best QBR (64.1) and 6th best EPA (46.3, just above the dreaded Aaron Rodgers) a ****ing slump. Personally, even after 8 underwhelming-to-miserable games and a 4-4 record, I'm gonna give the kid a little more leeway before calling for him to be committed to the god damn psych ward. I think he's earned at least that much.

[jd1020]

Originally Posted by carcosa

Epic "bleeding vagina" joke too, how'd you come up with that one??????

You're not "calling a spade a spade" when you're freaking out and saying Mahomes is shit after two bad games. You're just being a bitch who can't handle a little adversity. Why are you so insistent on pinning so much on Mahomes when he is objectively not a top 5 problem for this team right now?

The bleeding vagina joke is as evident as Mahomes' piss poor play.

I've never called Mahomes shit. I said he has been playing like shit recently. Learn to comprehend what you ****ing read. He is a pretty big problem for why this offense is playing so poorly. You dont get a pass when you have 3/4 weeks in a row below average and the last 2 weeks just absolute trash.

[carcosa]

Originally Posted by Mecca

He has more INTs than Trevor Lawrence, that's not great.

And yet he actually has fewer turnover worthy plays. That points to bad luck as much as anything else. How much of this is "something wrong" and how much of it is outcome bias? I'd say it's 15/85 at most. We wouldn't be analyzing his mental state or moping about whether he's capable of turning it around if a few of those tipped passes and fumbles bounced our way.

[Mecca]

He's basically playing like peak Tampa Jameis Winston right now.

[DRM08]

Originally Posted by carcosa

Okay but again that's not "terrible" by any objective standard, which takes us back to the absurd language people are using. "Underwhelming" is different than "terrible." He has had 4 great games (2-2 thanks to horrible turnover luck), 2 average/underwhelming games (1-1 including an excellent half in Washington and a loss that Daniel Sorenson alone should take more blame than Mahomes for), and 2 bad games (one of which he won because he's not "broken" and therefore didn't panic when it counted). That's it. There's nothing deeper to it than that. My argument is that he deserves a much longer leash than some people are giving him considering what he's capable of. I don't see how that's controversial to anyone who isn't weirdly insistent on shitting all over the best player in franchise history.

You won't find a bigger fan of him than myself. But you know what they say about the NFL - Not For Long. People are not patient very long, especially these days.

[carcosa]

Originally Posted by jd1020

The bleeding vagina joke is as evident as Mahomes' piss poor play.

I've never called Mahomes shit. I said he has been playing like shit recently. Learn to comprehend what you ****ing read. He is a pretty big problem for why this offense is playing so poorly. You dont get a pass when you have 3/4 weeks in a row below average and the last 2 weeks just absolute trash.

A lesson on reading comprehension from someone who apparently couldn't read the OP where I listed the things that you can blame on him. That's ****ing rich.

I'm not giving him a pass, I'm saying that calling him "a pretty big problem" is ****ing objectively wrong when you take the entire team into account. I'm saying that using phrases like "absolute trash" in this context is ****ing pathetic. You can say he's had two bad games. In fact, Mr. Reading Comprehension, I've said that very thing myself! But what's the point in even using the phrase "absolute trash" when referring to Patrick ****ing Mahomes unless your goal is to be a miserable prick who doesn't know how good he's had it? Maybe shut your ****ing mouth and let someone who's the best in the world at what he does have a chance to turn it around!

[dlphg9]

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

You are a dipshit. He was destroying teams in the pocket in his third NFL start. He threw six TDs.

Patrick has the yips and doesn't fully trust his new OL. That is all.

Yeah this he doesn't know how to play in the pocket shit is reeruned. I've been telling people to watch previous years. He navigates the pocket as well as anyone, but right now he just doesn't seem to trust the oline. That's because last year his interior oline almost got him killed regularly.

[carcosa]

Originally Posted by DRM08

You won't find a bigger fan of him than myself. But you know what they say about the NFL - Not For Long. People are not patient very long, especially these days.

I guess what my argument boils down to is that Patrick Mahomes of all people deserves a little more ****ing patience. That's all.

[DRM08]

Originally Posted by carcosa

I guess what my argument boils down to is that Patrick Mahomes of all people deserves a little more ****ing patience. That's all.

I get where you are coming from, but then again...pretty shocking development this past weekend in Fort Worth where TCU immediately fired their best coach ever even though he has a statue outside their stadium. Would think he deserved better treatment. Just a sign of the times.

[jd1020]

Originally Posted by carcosa

I'm not giving him a pass, I'm saying that calling him "a pretty big problem" is ****ing objectively wrong when you take the entire team into account.

Then you are objectively and idiot.

He had a 7 and 19 QBR the last 2 weeks. He's turning the ball over more than he has ever done in his career. He's bouncing passes in the turf routinely. His deep ball tonight was out of bounds and/or under thrown. When 1 of the 2 players that touches the ball on every single offensive play puts up league wide terrible numbers, its a problem.

[Hammock Parties]

I think it's worth noting the worst play Patrick made all night he hit a receiver in the end zone in the facemask.

Pump the brakes.

[carcosa]

Originally Posted by jd1020

Then you are objectively and idiot.

He had a 7 and 19 QBR the last 2 weeks. He's turning the ball over more than he has ever done in his career. He's bouncing passes in the turf routinely. His deep ball tonight was out of bounds and/or under thrown. When 1 of the 2 players that touches the ball on every single offensive play puts up league wide terrible numbers, its a problem.

Again, I'm not ****ing denying that he's had two bad games. My point is that it's ****ing annoying ass bullshit to fixate on those two bad games so much when 1) there's a ton of other shit that's been going wrong with this team and 2) we have a much larger sample size of games that strongly suggests Patrick Mahomes will turn it around sooner rather than later. Why is it so hard for you to understand that my point is not that he's entirely beyond reproach, but that bitching about him the way you and others are doing is annoying and useless and just makes the board an even more miserable place than it already is, Mr. Reading Comprehension?

[Best22]

Originally Posted by Kman34

Maybe the matchup against Rogers will motivate him... Or maybe not..

Mahomes is extremely motivated

He has never lacked motivation

He just hasn’t been playing well lately. When Brady got shutdown in SB42, it wasn’t because he didn’t have motivation. He was probably more motivated than he ever was in his life. But he didn’t play well

[Bob Dole]

Originally Posted by DRM08

You won't find a bigger fan of him than myself. But you know what they say about the NFL - Not For Long. People are not patient very long, especially these days.

You left out, "and people are generally stupid".

[Bob Dole]

Originally Posted by Mecca

He's basically playing like peak Tampa Jameis Winston right now.

Were 70% of Winston's INTs from tipped balls/dropped passes?

[DTVietnam]

Originally Posted by DRM08

But the interesting thing is there are some very big names apparently ahead of him on the turnover worthy plays list, but they are getting much luckier on their plays than him right now. I was surprised by some of the names in the Tweet the other day. Here was the Tweet:

Patrick Mahomes' percentage of throws graded as turnover-worthy is 23rd highest among QBs with at least 100 pass attempts this season.

That's *lower* than Joe Burrow, Josh Allen, Aaron Rodgers, Dak Prescott, Lamar Jackson, Matthew Stafford, Justin Herbert and Derek Carr

— Kevin Cole (@KevinColePFF) October 27, 2021

so we are counting fake made up PFF stats?