Call Your Shot: Who’s the Chiefs first selection in the 2020 Draft

[staylor26]

I’m going with Kristian Fulton, CB, LSU

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Mecca

I think NE ends up with Jake Fromm, he's a guy they can compete with.

But they don't have a 2nd rounder. They gonna give up next year's 1 to grab a mid 2nd? Or do you think he falls to the 3rd?

And if he does fall to the 3rd, knowing what we know about the history of 2nd day QBs (that they're really no more likely to succeed than 3rd day guys), do you really want him at that point?

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Mecca

I wouldn't be mad if we took Epenesa, I don't think he's a star but he'll have a nice 10 year career.

Personally, I'd avoid him and Ruiz. I'm sure they will be overdrafted but I just don't see either guy as 1st rounders let alone, immediate impact players.

Ruiz is 20 years old. Can you imagine the responsibility of being a 20 year old first rounder, whose job is protect the NFL and Super Bowl MVP while being tasked to face the Ravens, Bills, Saints, Bucs and Chargers defense his rookie season?

Remember when there were so many people here pushing for Amobi Okoye, who was 19 years and 10 months old when he was overdrafted? The dude sucked ass and ended up with 12 career sacks in 4 years with the Texans, then bounced around the league for a couple of years and flamed out.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Chiefs Moon

Grant Delpit

Took him in my hypothetical Chiefs draft in the CP Mock.

And don't think he'll fall to us in the real one.

Love that kid.

[Shields68]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I think we need to toss out some of NE's history at this point.

We've never seen BB rebuild a squad. We don't know what he's likely to do in a completely different spot in the competitive cycle.

He may take some much bigger hacks than he's taken in the past. Would he move up for a Justin Herbert, for instance? Or Chaisson? In the past that wouldn't have been his MO, but this is a brave new world for Belichick.

And they're also just early enough that someone like Blacklock may still be there who I think he'd like a little more than Epenesa under his 'traditional' approach.

He's a typical 'Patriot Way' player, but sitting at 23 w/ no quarterback to speak of isn't exactly a 'Patriot Way' situation.

Not sure that NE is rebuilding. Sure they lost their QB, but they went 12-4 mostly relying on their defense.

Guessing he would like to get Herbert, but if he goes in the top 6 as most project that is not happening. They do not have enough capitol to move up into the top 6.

Bill will stay the course and take a player that fits his approach.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

But they don't have a 2nd rounder. They gonna give up next year's 1 to grab a mid 2nd? Or do you think he falls to the 3rd?

And if he does fall to the 3rd, knowing what we know about the history of 2nd day QBs (that they're really no more likely to succeed than 3rd day guys), do you really want him at that point?

I can easily see Fromm dropping to the third but I'm not sure if he's a NE guy. He's got small hands and doesn't really seem to be the kind of guy to take over for a legend, although maybe that's the point.

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by TRR

Put me down for G Cesar Ruiz. I’ll follow the “experts” on this one.

In all seriousness, KC has been screwing around with the LG position far too long. The only way you stop Mahomes is having a ridiculously talented and deep D Line that can pressure him from every angle, without needing to bring additional defenders. Ruiz is a special player, and can play Guard or Center.

I think a lot of people just don't see "special" when it comes to Ruiz.

He's the best of this draft at IOL, but it's not a particularly strong group.

Improving the OL is important, for sure, but you can improve the IOL with later picks, too.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Personally, I'd avoid him and Ruiz. I'm sure they will be overdrafted but I just don't see either guy as 1st rounders let alone, immediate impact players.

Ruiz is 20 years old. Can you imagine the responsibility of being a 20 year old first rounder, whose job is protect the NFL and Super Bowl MVP while being tasked to face the Ravens, Bills, Saints, Bucs and Chargers defense his rookie season?

Remember when there were so many people here pushing for Amobi Okoye, who was 19 years and 10 months old when he was overdrafted? The dude sucked ass and ended up with 12 career sacks in 4 years with the Texans, then bounced around the league for a couple of years and flamed out.

Counterpoint - they have a guy in Reiter who they won a SB with.

He's not good on balance, but he's a credible pass pro specialist. We should always be looking to upgrade on him, but if Ruiz is the pick and isn't ready, then you just don't play him.

I don't think his age is a problem and in some ways it's a benefit. But ultimately I'd steer clear of him because I just don't think he's that special of a player. He's getting that 'Cameron Erving' stink on him where he's slowly moving up draft boards for no reason I can see and you hear the 'versatility' thing thrown around as a justification.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Took him in my hypothetical Chiefs draft in the CP Mock.

And don't think he'll fall to us in the real one.

Love that kid.

Delpit, HB and (a 100%) Thornhill would be just sick. Not only would Spagnuolo have a field day with those guys but Delpit's speed and athleticism would likely cover any deficiencies the Chiefs secondary might face this year or in the next few years.

I think Veach might have fumble fingers trying to call in the pick if Delpit was there at #32 due to the adrenaline rush.

[staylor26]

Ruiz is at the bottom of any of my list because he’s an IOL, but I don’t see what you guys are seeing. He’s easily a top 40 player and would be a solid pick.

We’re picking at 32. Most likely, nobody there is going to be a 1st round player. There are probably 20-25 of those guys in any given draft. That’s just the reality of it.

[RunKC]

I don’t see Ruiz being there. Apparently Philly loves that guy and has gone by the model of drafting fatties for quite awhile. Seems to be what Reid instilled there.

I also have a hard time seeing the Ravens pass on Espenesa. Yeah they need a LB, but they want pass rush. I’ve been following them more-so than most teams besides us bc they are our biggest competition.

I’ve seen it stated many times that they want to bolster their pass rush in the draft and FA, which they already started with the addition of Wolfe and Campbell.

Pretty interesting to see several AFC teams acquiring interior rushers and wanting to upgrade their pass rush overall. It’s almost as if they watched the Super Bowl and are trying to recreate SF’s front 4 bc it gave Mahomes more problems than any defense he’s played in his career.

[staylor26]

Good luck trying to replicate the 49ers without Bosa then.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Shields68

Not sure that NE is rebuilding. Sure they lost their QB, but they went 12-4 mostly relying on their defense.

Guessing he would like to get Herbert, but if he goes in the top 6 as most project that is not happening. They do not have enough capitol to move up into the top 6.

Bill will stay the course and take a player that fits his approach.

Wow - people have Herbert back up that high? I just figured it was draft-time rabble trying to find something to talk about.

"Could Herbert be a better pro than Tua?" and then 2,000 words of general nonsense.

I still figured he could slide to the 10-12 range and NE could get up there w/ next year's 1. Then the question is whether or not he's really a BB kind of guy. He's more Bledsoe than Brady; seems to play behind the clock a bit - nowhere near the anticipation of Brady. He's everything you could ask for physically but he's not as intuitive.

I'm just happy it's a Patriot problem and not ours.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by staylor26

Good luck trying to replicate the 49ers without Bosa then.

Yeah, that's kinda like "We'll just turn our offense into a track team..." without Mahomes.

There's no '49ers front' without Bosa. And frankly, their willingness to trade Buckner confirms that. They know what made that line go and that they can get plenty of production even after losing a very good player because they still have the motor to propelled it.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Counterpoint - they have a guy in Reiter who they won a SB with.

He's not good on balance, but he's a credible pass pro specialist. We should always be looking to upgrade on him, but if Ruiz is the pick and isn't ready, then you just don't play him.

I don't think his age is a problem and in some ways it's a benefit. But ultimately I'd steer clear of him because I just don't think he's that special of a player. He's getting that 'Cameron Erving' stink on him where he's slowly moving up draft boards for no reason I can see and you hear the 'versatility' thing thrown around as a justification.

This sums up my feelings on the center position in this year's draft.

Reiter's fine in Pass Pro and the Chiefs just won the Super Bowl with him. I do agree that they should always look for upgrades (which I think is a given with Veach) and grabbing a developmental guy late would be an ideal way to prep for the future, but it's not exactly necessary this year.

The irony is that the same exact people posting here saying the Chiefs need a center also say the Chiefs don't need a running back because "They're a passing team, not a running team". So if that's the case (which is a ridiculous assertion to make because if the Chiefs can't run the ball, they won't be able to pass it either because teams will just load up and rush Mahomes all game long), why draft a Center when the strength to Reiter's game is his Pass Pro?

The bottom line for me is that while the Chiefs could use an upgrade at center, it's way down the list of priorities in the 2020 draft.

[Iowanian]

I can't decide if it's what I prefer or if it's what I think, but I'd enjoy seeing Epenesa on the other end from 55.

The good news is that there isn't a glaring, must-fill hole on the team and they can catch a good value. I'd assume they will trade back.