Ron Torbort should be fired

[Chief Northman]

Atrocious job by Torbort and his crew today:

- Atrocious spots of the ball
- Missed holdings on Browns receivers in red zone
- Dee Ford strip sack and recovery taken away on a clean play nobody flagged
- Chiefs decline Cleveland penalty, CLOCK SHOULD BE RUNNING. Torbort ****s up and misinterprets situation moving Chiefs out of FG range and costing them a timeout.

Quit propping up shit franchises NFL. Browns made their own bed. They best lie in it.

Horrible.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by NJChiefsFan

Why wasn't the clock running if the penalty was declined. Have I just never noticed that it stops?

The clock always stops after a defensive penalty.

It's supposed to start again when the ball is spotted/ref gives the ready to play signal.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by rabblerouser

Bullshit!

You can flag him for it if he's in the pocket and doesn't throw toward the line of scrimmage or in the direction of the reciever.

Remember?

The rules??

I'm literally reading the rules to you when I say:

YOU CANNOT FLAG A QUARTERBACK FOR INTENTIONAL GROUNDING IF HE IS NOT UNDER PRESSURE.

That's the very first stipulation of the penalty.

Defensive pressure.

No defensive pressure = no grounding.

Literally in the rules.

Literally the first sentence.

Literally ignored by fat ref.

[Flying High D]

PMII was just ****ing with the ref to see what the ref would call. You could tell by the gleam in PMII’s eye.

[rabblerouser]

Originally Posted by SupDock

the problem is, that once the ball is snapped the game clock is running and he is quote Saving Time by definition. I agree that it was a mistake, but I don't believe it violates the rules

So if a team wants to throw a pass to stop the clock and not get intentional grounding, but the game clock isn't running?

You gotta throw at a receivers feet. Toward the line of scrimmage.

Or get outside the pocket REAL quick and throw it away.

According to the rules for like, 25 years or so.

It was a mistake.

On Reid and Mahomes.

Of course, the officials should have told them that the clock was stopped and that they would not wind it with the play clock...

But that's not what we're talking about here.

[suzzer99]

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

The clock always stops after a defensive penalty.

It's supposed to start again when the ball is spotted/ref gives the ready to play signal.

Not within the last 2 minutes of the half or 5 minutes of the game. It stays stopped until the snap - just like OOB.

[Flying High D]

OOB = Old Otter Balls

[rabblerouser]

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

I'm literally reading the rules to you when I say:

YOU CANNOT FLAG A QUARTERBACK FOR INTENTIONAL GROUNDING IF HE IS NOT UNDER PRESSURE.

That's the very first stipulation of the penalty.

Defensive pressure.

No defensive pressure = no grounding.

Literally in the rules.

Literally the first sentence.

Literally ignored by fat ref.

REID AND MAHOMES ****ED UP.

They shouldn't have spiked the ****ing ball - I HATE THE ****ING NFL AND HOW THEY INTERPRET RULES AND HOW THEY RIG SHIT ALL THE ****ING TIME.

AND GODDAMN IT CLAY, I'M TELLING YOU THEY INTERPRETED IT CORRECTLY. THIS TIME.

In order to SPIKE TO SAVE TIME...THERE HAS TO BE TIME RUNNING OFF THE CLOCK AT THE TIME OF THE SNAP.

There was ZERO time saved by the spike. In fact...we lost time and yardage and a FG attempt.

There was XX time when the play clock started.

PMII could have taken 24 seconds to look things over with no loss of gametime. That'd be why it was illegal - because he didn't HAVE to do it. Because the clock wasn't running.

You lovable lunkhead. Per item 3:

"player under center is permitted to stop the game clock legally to save time"

What that means to me, and the NFL, is that even if he isn't under pressure, he didn't do it to stop the clock...because the clock was already stopped.

Which supersedes the 'lack of pressure', as the penalty occurs without regard to pressure - or lack thereof.

Which makes it intentional grounding.

[Hammock Parties]

Which supersedes the 'lack of pressure', as the penalty occurs without regard to pressure - or lack thereof.

Which makes it intentional grounding.

I am fantastically excited to learn about this part of the intentional grounding penalty rule,

Can you show it to me in the rule book?

I WISH TO LEARN ABOUT IT.

[rabblerouser]

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

I am fantastically excited to learn about this part of the intentional grounding penalty rule,

Can you show it to me in the rule book?

I WISH TO LEARN ABOUT IT.

Per item 3:

"player under center is permitted to stop the game clock legally to save time"



If the clock isn't running AT THE SNAP, then therefore the player is not legally stopping the clock to save time; e.g. intentional grounding is the correct call.

Since the clock was not running AT THE THE SNAP, therefore it is impossible to have a spike to stop a clock that is already stopped.

That's just logic.

[rabblerouser]

It's impossible to spike a ball to save time on a clock that is not running.

It can't be done.

If the clock is stopped, then you can't spike the ball. Because you're not doing the spike to stop a clock that is not running.

That means, it was intentional grounding. If the clock is stopped, then you're not spiking the ball to stop a clock that isn't running.

By definition.

You can't legally stop a clock that isn't running. It isn't possible.

I don't know how else to explain that to you.

It's like trying to explain how water is wet, at this point.

[kgrund]

Originally Posted by rabblerouser

REID AND MAHOMES ****ED UP.

They shouldn't have spiked the ****ing ball - I HATE THE ****ING NFL AND HOW THEY INTERPRET RULES AND HOW THEY RIG SHIT ALL THE ****ING TIME.

AND GODDAMN IT CLAY, I'M TELLING YOU THEY INTERPRETED IT CORRECTLY. THIS TIME.

In order to SPIKE TO SAVE TIME...THERE HAS TO BE TIME RUNNING OFF THE CLOCK AT THE TIME OF THE SNAP.

There was ZERO time saved by the spike. In fact...we lost time and yardage and a FG attempt.

There was XX time when the play clock started.

PMII could have taken 24 seconds to look things over with no loss of gametime. That'd be why it was illegal - because he didn't HAVE to do it. Because the clock wasn't running.

You lovable lunkhead. Per item 3:

"player under center is permitted to stop the game clock legally to save time"

What that means to me, and the NFL, is that even if he isn't under pressure, he didn't do it to stop the clock...because the clock was already stopped.

Which supersedes the 'lack of pressure', as the penalty occurs without regard to pressure - or lack thereof.

Which makes it intentional grounding.

So it's a penalty just because you did not have to do it but no advantage is gained in fact you lose the down? Makes no sense.

[Hammock Parties]

Quite right my friend.

I am still awaiting a copy and pasting of the rule for intentional grounding that occurs with no defensive pressure.

Did they conveniently leave that page out of the online PDF?

IS IS A MYSTERY

[Hammock Parties]

For that stupid ****ing spike to be a ****ing penalty.

There would have to be a section in the ****ing rule book.

That specifies:

ILLEGAL SPIKE

A quarterback will be assessed an intentional grounding penalty if he attempts to spike a football to stop an already stopped clock.

Show me that mother****ing sentence. Otherwise that ****ing FAT ****ING BUTT****ING ZERBA **** WA S****INGWROIWQNMAIANJCVISEJDGFAEDU

[NJChiefsFan]

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

The clock always stops after a defensive penalty.

It's supposed to start again when the ball is spotted/ref gives the ready to play signal.

But the call was declined. I assumed if the play on the field is kept the clock would be related to that result.

[petegz28]

The intentional grounding was a bullshit call the Refs ****ed up. It's right up there with the forward progress being stopped when it should have been a sack fumble but Triplette decided otherwise