Chiefs Approval/Disapproval of The Trade. - Page 7

**Rain Man** · 04-27-2017, 08:06 PM

If you don't know what The Trade is, just go away.

What do you think? This is a public poll, because we're going to come back in five years and revisit this day.

TigeRRUppeRRcut · 04-27-2017, 09:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Laz

Value of the 10th pick - 1300

Value of the 27th pick - 680
value of the 3rd pick - 136
Value of 1st next year - unknown

Current Difference is negative 484
Lowest value of any 1st round pick - 590

so as of right now, we are 106 pts in the hole with no possibility of getting to even since you can't pick lower than 32.

To put that in perspective, if we pick in the middle of the 1st round next year, it's the 15th(1050 value) we would be in the negative 566 in trade value.

Yup.

**DaneMcCloud** · 04-27-2017, 09:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Laz

Value of the 10th pick - 1300

Value of the 27th pick - 680
value of the 3rd pick - 136
Value of 1st next year - unknown

Current Difference is negative 484
Lowest value of any 1st round pick - 590

so as of right now, we are 106 pts in the hole with no possibility of getting to even since you can't pick lower than 32.

To put that in perspective, if we pick in the middle of the 1st round next year, it's the 15th(1050 value) we would be in the negative 566 in trade value.

IF

Like as in "IF Laz knew anything about the NFL, he'd be a valuable poster".

IF

kccrow · 04-27-2017, 09:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Laz

Value of the 10th pick - 1300

Value of the 27th pick - 680
value of the 3rd pick - 136
Value of 1st next year - unknown

Current Difference is negative 484
Lowest value of any 1st round pick - 590

so as of right now, we are 106 pts in the hole with no possibility of getting to even since you can't pick lower than 32.

To put that in perspective, if we pick in the middle of the 1st round next year, it's the 15th(1050 value) we would be in the negative 566 in trade value.

Most of the time teams value the pick next year the same as the 1st of the team they are trading down with. Also, trades into the top ten tend to add around 15% to the cost historically.

Conservative estimate would be 680+680+136 = 1496 and 1300*15% = 1495. Draft day value was about spot on. We'll see what happens with actual value next year I suppose.

beach tribe · 04-27-2017, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by TigerUppercut

Fact. Not fiction.
#Inhishead

You're still here??

Why?

Oh, yeah. We have another year of check downs in the way.

RunKC · 04-27-2017, 09:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Laz

Value of the 10th pick - 1300

Value of the 27th pick - 680
value of the 3rd pick - 136
Value of 1st next year - unknown

Current Difference is negative 484
Lowest value of any 1st round pick - 590

so as of right now, we are 106 pts in the hole with no possibility of getting to even since you can't pick lower than 32.

To put that in perspective, if we pick in the middle of the 1st round next year, it's the 15th(1050 value) we would be in the negative 566 in trade value.

Hey look it's Laz to bitch about something.

Remember when the Chiefs didn't have a plan to get a QB? Sure didn't look like it tonight.
Btw-the Chiefs still have EIGHT picks including 1 in every single round and they will also be getting almost $14 million in $$ next year from cutting/trading Alex.

You really do bitch just to bitch. You must be unbearable in real life dude

beach tribe · 04-27-2017, 10:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kccrow

Most of the time teams value the pick next year the same as the 1st of the team they are trading with. Also, trades into the top ten tend to add around 15% to the cost historically.

Conservative estimate would be 680+680+136 = 1496 and 1300*15% = 1495. Value was about spot on.

I'm not sure I follow, but I know that picks next year have significantly less value than it's equal slot in this years draft.

**BossChief** · 04-27-2017, 10:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Laz

Value of the 10th pick - 1300

Value of the 27th pick - 680
value of the 3rd pick - 136
Value of 1st next year - unknown

Current Difference is negative 484
Lowest value of any 1st round pick - 590

so as of right now, we are 106 pts in the hole with no possibility of getting to even since you can't pick lower than 32.

To put that in perspective, if we pick in the middle of the 1st round next year, it's the 15th(1050 value) we would be in the negative 566 in trade value.

Future picks almost always get a full round of depreciation when used as trades.

That 2018 1st should only be worth 310 points.

Dorsey basically got full value for a future pick.

suzzer99 · 04-27-2017, 10:02 PM

Old timers: when was the last time CP had this much consensus on a draft pick or trade?

Mr. Laz · 04-27-2017, 10:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by beach tribe

That chart means jack and shit anymore to anyone other than talking heads.

I commented about the value.

The fact that you can't comprehend that is on you, not me.

I said the value was poor BUT we got the guy we wanted.

Can you understand?

You won't because you don't want to, so whatever.

Chiefspants · 04-27-2017, 10:03 PM

It's strange to see Tiger and Clay in relatively the same corner about a football related issue.

**BossChief** · 04-27-2017, 10:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Laz

I comment about the value.

The fact that you can't comprehend that is on you, not me.

I said the value was poor BUT we got the guy we wanted.

Can you understand?

You won't because you don't want to, so whatever.

WE ****ING STOLE A FRANCHISE QB.

TigeRRUppeRRcut · 04-27-2017, 10:04 PM

Now, while you criticize the few of us.. Ask yourselves... When has a franchise ever successfully traded away that much in picks receiving both good value AND an elite QB.

kccrow · 04-27-2017, 10:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by beach tribe

I'm not sure I follow, but I know that picks next year have significantly less value than it's equal slot in this years draft.

The team that is trading up, their pick next year is usually valued the same as this year's pick. So, Buffalo would value KC's 2018 1st with the same amount of points as this year's 1st. Basically team's assume approximately the same performance next year.

Trades into the top ten have shown that the trade value chart is off by about 15%, so it actually costs more to move into those positions on average. The Chiefs traded into the 10 spot, so history says that 1300 needs to be adjusted up roughly 15%.

Then, just follow the math.

Chiefspants · 04-27-2017, 10:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by suzzer99

Old timers: when was the last time CP had this much consensus on a draft pick or trade?

Eric Berry was a pretty special pick. Everyone thought we were going with a fatty. Seeing Eric on the phone during our slot was a legendary moment in this site's history.

The consensus (outside of Sac, rip), was that Pioli nailed it.

He did.

Mr. Laz · 04-27-2017, 10:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief

Future picks almost always get a full round of depreciation when used as trades.

That 2018 1st should only be worth 310 points.

Dorsey basically got full value for a future pick.

If we win the super bowl and pick 32.

if not the value gets worse with each slot our pick goes higher.

I'm ok with selecting Mahomes, I really am.

Value wasn't good though. At the very least, we shouldn't have had to give up that extra 3rd round pick this year.

Whatever, nobody wants to hear it.

Enjoy the QB selection.

View Poll Results: Do you approve or disapprove of The Trade? Why?
I approve of the trade and am thrilled about Patrick Mahomes.	284	81.61%
I approve of the trade, even through I would’ve preferred Deshaun Watson over Patrick Mahomes.	29	8.33%
I approve of the trade, even through I would’ve preferred Deshone Kizer over Patrick Mahomes.	0	0%
I approve of the trade, even through I would’ve preferred a QB other than Watson/Kizer over Patrick Mahomes.	1	0.29%
I approve of the trade, even through I would’ve preferred a non-QB over Patrick Mahomes.	1	0.29%
I disapprove of the trade because it was too much to pay even though I like Mahomes.	6	1.72%
I disapprove of the trade because I don’t think Mahomes is that good.	1	0.29%
I disapprove of the trade because I think we could get more value out of the three picks we gave up.	3	0.86%
I disapprove of the trade because we have greater needs than quarterback.	2	0.57%
I disapprove of the trade because I think Mahomes would have been available at 27.	4	1.15%
I have no idea what to think.	4	1.15%
I’m not going to vote because in the future I will change my opinion to make myself look smart.	2	0.57%
I'm still fixated that we drafted Blackledge over Marino.	11	3.16%
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