Chiefs Log jam at RB - Page 7

DenverChief · 03-10-2016, 06:45 PM

So we have three starting caliber Running Backs. 2 of them are at the beginning of their career and one is at the end of his career. I know Charles is a Chief icon but should we hang on to him, use him as trade bait for draft position or use him as part of a deal to bring other players in?

I know this won't be a popular topic of discussion but a RB entering his 8th year and coming off of his second major knee surgery we need to think about what our plans are with him and the young talent behind him going forward.

**DaneMcCloud** · 03-11-2016, 12:37 AM

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Who gives a shit how old it is. The idea still stands. If you can get something for him you should instead of an outright release. The whole idea is to open up cap room, open up a roster spot at another position of need and let ware and west decide who is going to lead this team into the future.

The issue is that they CAN'T get anything for him.

What part of two torn ACL's in the past five years don't you get?

DenverChief · 03-11-2016, 12:45 AM

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The issue is that they CAN'T get anything for him.

What part of two torn ACL's in the past five years don't you get?

So say you. So in your scenario we ride Jaamal out the last 2 years of his contract he rides off into the sunset and west/ware contracts come up (2016/2017 respectively) And they take their experience elsewhere.

Sound familiar? Even if they are RFA there is still the possibility We couldn't match.

**DaneMcCloud** · 03-11-2016, 12:49 AM

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So say you. So in your scenario we ride Jaamal out the last 2 years of his contract he rides off into the sunset and west/ware contracts come up (2016/2017) respectively And they take their experience elsewhere.

Sound familiar? Even if they are RFA there is still the possibility We couldn't match.

Good lord.

Running backs don't get big deals, let alone unmatchable deals.

C.J. Anderson has been more productive the past two years than Charles, he's 25 and just helped the Broncos win a Super Bowl.

He has an offer from the Dolphins for 4 years, $18 million or $4.5 per season.

With a salary cap of $155 million, that's a real deal breaker.

DenverChief · 03-11-2016, 12:54 AM

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Good lord.

Running backs don't get big deals, let alone unmatchable deals.

C.J. Anderson has been more productive the past two years than Charles, he's 25 and just helped the Broncos win a Super Bowl.

He has an offer from the Dolphins for 4 years, $18 million or $4.5 per season.

With a salary cap of $155 million, that's a real deal breaker.

When you have other pressing needs as well...look it's obvious you don't want to even entertain the possibility and that's fine. I'd bet the Broncos won't match his offer sheet. They have a lot of holes to fill Starting and backup QB to name a few larger ones.

It was fun having a discussion on a discussion board (crazy concept). Have a good night.

**DaneMcCloud** · 03-11-2016, 01:00 AM

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When you have other pressing needs as well...look it's obvious you don't want to even entertain the possibility and that's fine. I'd bet the Broncos won't match his offer sheet. They have a lot of holes to fill Starting and backup QB to name a few larger ones.

It was fun having a discussion on a discussion board (crazy concept). Have a good night.

The Broncos don't have a QB, have to pay Von Miller $20 million, lost their starting DE, ILB and other players while being close to the cap.

Anderson was an undrafted free agent, further proving that spending a high pick on a running back is not only completely unnecessary but a waste of a valuable resource.

RippedmyFlesh · 03-11-2016, 04:24 AM

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Out of how many third round picks between 2008 and now?

Yet you want to trade charles for one.

Beef Supreme · 03-11-2016, 09:41 AM

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The one thing I absolutely cannot stand, is a three deep rotation of studs at running back

What is Dorsey thinking?

Yeah, I think we are all missing the days of Thomas Jones and Jackie Battle.

DenverChief · 03-11-2016, 09:55 AM

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Yet you want to trade charles for one.

Take the $20 I have and enjoy the shit out of the two McDonald's meals I could get with it or run to the craps table and hope that I could parlay that $20 into $100 or more. Hell yes.

What's the worst that could happen? Charles retires in 2017 and the pick doesn't pan out. It's a wash. We have two very capable young running backs.

There is a reason Joe Montana was traded. Yes he was a QB. Running backs get traded for draft picks too. Trent Richardson anyone?

Look I get it. It's not a popular thought. We don't necessarily have to get rid of Charles. We could move ware/west/Davis. But anyway sorry for the provocative thought. Thinking can be hard it's much easier to just go with the flow.

DenverChief · 03-11-2016, 10:00 AM

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The Broncos don't have a QB, have to pay Von Miller $20 million, lost their starting DE, ILB and other players while being close to the cap.

Anderson was an undrafted free agent, further proving that spending a high pick on a running back is not only completely unnecessary but a waste of a valuable resource.

Todd Guerly, Le'Veon Bell, Trent Richardson, Montee Ball, Eddie Lacy, Mark Ingrahm, Shane Vereen, Matt Forte, Ray Rice, CJ Spiller

All were drafted in rounds one or two and disagree with you.

Red Dawg · 03-11-2016, 10:13 AM

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Todd Guerly, Le'Veon Bell, Trent Richardson, Montee Ball, Eddie Lacy, Mark Ingrahm, Shane Vereen, Matt Forte, Ray Rice, CJ Spiller

All were drafted in rounds one or two and disagree with you.

Mark sucks, Trent is an all time huge bust, Shane is not great either, Ball is nobody as well.

Big Tedd · 03-11-2016, 10:19 AM

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It'll never happen.

No one will trade for a 30 year old RB.

Forte has better numbers than Charles and the Bears couldn't get anything for him.

You guys are being extremely unrealistic.

No team is a running back "away" from the playoffs or Super Bowl.

EXACTLY!!!

Danguardace · 03-11-2016, 10:44 AM

West,Ware and Davis are playing on very cheap contacts think their Combine Cap number is $2m. That is great value, all 3 can contribute behind Charles whilst he finds his feet.

Couch-Potato · 03-11-2016, 11:46 AM

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Todd Guerly, Le'Veon Bell, Trent Richardson, Montee Ball, Eddie Lacy, Mark Ingrahm, Shane Vereen, Matt Forte, Ray Rice, CJ Spiller

All were drafted in rounds one or two and disagree with you.

I agree with the notion that an early round RB is a poor move.

Of the players mentioned, only Gurley, Bell, and Forte are difference makers. Forte was fantastic for the Bears, but I suspect we may see a serious decline in his production as he transitions to the Jets, as we've seen when other high caliber RBs move to new organizations (IE: Murray to the Eagles). Time will tell whether or not Gurley can consistently produce for years to come.

The fact that our Chiefs have x4 RBs that are more than capable of playing time in Charles, West, Ware, and Davis speaks to the abundance of serviceable RBs in todays more pass oriented NFL game.

Ultimately, I don't think we'd get more than a 5th round pick for anyone of our guys including Charles after his injury. Murray played poorly and was worth only a 4th round pick, JC didn't play at all.

Couch-Potato · 03-11-2016, 11:57 AM

If someone wanted to swap picks with us in say the 3rd, and they wanted one of our three backups in exchange... I think we should be all over it, but doubtful anyone feels a strong need for one of our backups until there is a team that finds itself decimated by injuries at the RB position halfway through the season.

**DaneMcCloud** · 03-11-2016, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by DenverChief

Todd Guerly, Le'Veon Bell, Trent Richardson, Montee Ball, Eddie Lacy, Mark Ingrahm, Shane Vereen, Matt Forte, Ray Rice, CJ Spiller

All were drafted in rounds one or two and disagree with you.

This is 2016, not 2008. An undrafted free agent running back was the Bronco's only offense in the Super Bowl and they allowed him to walk.

Richardson, Ball, Ingrahm, Vereen and Spiller have been nothing short of wasted picks and busts (Richardson busted TWICE). The Colts, Browns, Broncos, Saints, Bills and Patriots made terrible decisions and wasted valuable resources.

Eddie Lacy had a decent rookie campaign followed by a disastrous season in which the coach told him to lose 50 pounds. Another poor pick.

As for Forte, he's the only guy that's been an impact player on that list, and he was taken in 2008, the same year as Charles. He's basically been the Bears offense since that time and was cut because he couldn't be traded. Again, 3 years, $12 million, and no significant injuries that required surgery (unlike Charles).

Ray Rice? You're going to use Ray Rice as an example? Not only has he been out of the league for 2 years, at age 26, he averaged a paltry 3.1 yards per carry. The wheels fell off quickly.

Gurley is a talented back that helped the Rams and their archaic offense in 2015 but the story is still unfolding. He looks like a special player but only time will tell if he can be productive year in and year out and avoid another ACL injury.

Once again, no one is giving up a pick for Jamaal Charles.

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DenverChief Pedantic Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Rocky Ford Casino cash: $3072617	Log jam at RB So we have three starting caliber Running Backs. 2 of them are at the beginning of their career and one is at the end of his career. I know Charles is a Chief icon but should we hang on to him, use him as trade bait for draft position or use him as part of a deal to bring other players in? I know this won't be a popular topic of discussion but a RB entering his 8th year and coming off of his second major knee surgery we need to think about what our plans are with him and the young talent behind him going forward.
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Danguardace Veteran Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Shrewsbury England Casino cash: $-864410	West,Ware and Davis are playing on very cheap contacts think their Combine Cap number is $2m. That is great value, all 3 can contribute behind Charles whilst he finds his feet.
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03-11-2016, 11:57 AM	#104
Couch-Potato Simmons @ 32 > Fisher @ 1 Join Date: Jan 2015 Casino cash: $313065	If someone wanted to swap picks with us in say the 3rd, and they wanted one of our three backups in exchange... I think we should be all over it, but doubtful anyone feels a strong need for one of our backups until there is a team that finds itself decimated by injuries at the RB position halfway through the season.
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