Geno Smith outplaying Mark Sanchez

[Hammock Parties]

Suck it, haters. Suck the choco-penii of destiny, feel it's power. It could have been ours.

http://espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/stor...-training-camp

CORTLAND, N.Y. -- Rookie Geno Smith has outplayed Mark Sanchez through the first week of training camp, pulling even or perhaps ahead in the New York Jets' quarterback competition.

"He can do more" than Sanchez, one veteran said Wednesday, speaking on the condition of anonymity.

It was Sanchez's turn to lead the starting unit and he struggled, throwing an interception for the second straight practice. Smith has yet to throw an interception in team drills over the first five practices.

It's premature to anoint a starter -- after all, they haven't begun live tackling -- but the early development is noteworthy because people close to the team expected Sanchez, based on his experience, to look sharper than Smith at the outset. That hasn't been the case.

"Everybody gets enamored with the guy who throws a 96 mph fastball," coach Rex Ryan said of Smith. To be politically correct, Ryan quickly added, "But Mark certainly has a good enough arm to play in this league."

It didn't sound like a ringing endorsement. Sanchez declined to say whether he believes he's leading the competition.

"I don't know, ask the coaches," he said. "I feel good, though. I feel confident. I feel like I'm playing really well."

Smith has sparkled with his accuracy, but he tends to hold the ball too long when facing pressure, according to Ryan. That, he said, "concerns me a little bit." The organization knows what it has in Sanchez, who was benched late last season.

Privately, the hope is that Smith can master the offense and seize the starting job. Even if he doesn't win it, Smith will be involved in the offense. Even though Tim Tebow is gone, Ryan said he remains committed to running the ball from the quarterback position.

He's intrigued by Smith's running ability, which would give the Jets a run-pass option at the quarterback position. Ryan acknowledged the plan, admitting last year's strategy under former coordinator Tony Sparano was ill-conceived. They never trusted Tebow to throw the ball. Whenever they used him, it usually was a read-option running play between the tackles.

"I think if that's the only thing you do with that position, why don't you just leave a running back in, a guy that's trained to do it?" Ryan said, second-guessing last season's approach. "If you're going to have a quarterback do it, like a (Colin) Kaepernick or somebody like that, it becomes more of a weapon because you know it's not just Tebow coming and he's going to run the ball. That's kind of where we were last year."

Ryan laughed when asked if he plans to use the Wildcat (or read-option) more than last year. Tebow finished with 32 rushes, averaging only 3.2 yards per carry.

"We probably will because, you guys say it, we never used it," he said. "So I would say, yeah, I think that will be part of what we do."

In the Wildcat, the ball is snapped to a nonquarterback. In those situations, the Jets can utilize wide receiver Jeremy Kerley or a running back, probably Bilal Powell. When Smith is on the field, either as the starter or a change-of-pace quarterback, they can employ the read-option.

The presence of new quarterbacks coach David Lee, one of the Wildcat innovators, is another reason the team is planning to use it. Sanchez said he could run the read-option, but there's little chance of that happening. His running ability will forever be linked to the "Butt Fumble," when he ran into a lineman's rear end last season.

Smith's athleticism could be a factor in the quarterback decision. Sanchez acknowledged that Smith is "very talented when it comes to that stuff. But I can't worry about it." Sanchez joked about the quarterback competition, mentioning that he sees more front-office types on the field for practice, scribbling notes during routine drills.

He said it reminds him of his rookie year in 2009, when he won the job against Kellen Clemens.

"For you (reporters), it's your job, but it's funny to see everybody else charting stuff," he said. "Everything is under scrutiny. There's a ton of pressure. That's the way you like it; that's the way you play this position."

[Easy 6]

All of this angst and backbiting over someone who, like it or not, isnt on this team and likely never will be.

Drumming up hate and loathing for a new administration that hasnt put a single product on a live field yet... over a guy who's flashed a few good things in camp.

The basis of dozens of charges leveled against anyone ramping up someone on this team doing well in camp... its just camp hurrr, quit proclaiming greatness!

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

There were very, very few posters on this board advocating drafting Russell, so we all need to own that one if he ends up being what he suggested in year one. Kaep, however, is solely on Pioli, based on TBG's sources.

I don't think what message board posters wanted in terms of specific players is all that relevant. What is relevant is that over the years the Chiefs have showed exactly zero interest in drafting their quarterback and developing him and would MUCH RATHER draft linemen or any other position because their perceived "floor" is supposedly higher.

What has that gotten us?

Ryan Sims
Glenn Dorsey (Joe Flacco)
Tyson Jackson (Josh Freeman, who the jury is still out on)
Brandon Albert (Joe Flacco)
Dontari Poe (Tanehill, which the jury is still out on)
Donald Stephenson (Wilson)
Jon Baldwin (Kaepernick)

None of which have positively impacted the team in terms of attaining more wins. Especially when considering the guys that were passed on to select them.

Shit, we have spent higher picks on punters and depth players than we have in the last 10 years of selecting quarterbacks.

Stupid is as stupid does.

Hopefully that changes over the next couple years, but I'm not holding my breath.

[Ace Gunner]

Originally Posted by BossChief

I don't think what message board posters wanted in terms of specific players is all that relevant. What is relevant is that over the years the Chiefs have showed exactly zero interest in drafting their quarterback and developing him and would MUCH RATHER draft linemen because their perceived "floor" is supposedly higher.

What has that gotten us?

Ryan Sims
Glenn Dorsey (Joe Flacco)
Tyson Jackson (Josh Freeman, who the jury is still out on)
Brandon Albert (Joe Flacco)
Dontari Poe (Tanehill, which the jury is still out on)
Donald Stephenson (Wilson)
Jon Baldwin (Kaepernick)

None of which have positively impacted the team in terms of attaining more wins. Especially when considering the guys that were passed on to select them.

Carl Peterson ****ed this team so bad, the next regime had to start with BFF's. QB's still got clobbered here and it really hasn't stopped. No pocket, bad WR's.. this team was garbage when Carl was fired. two regimes later, we still don't know what we got on the lines. but it's a ****load better than Mcintosh, Adrian Jones, Rudy Nis- etc.. then on the other side -- Dorsey, Tank, Turk & Hali... this team was shit when Carl had it.

[BossChief]

Who cares about the lines if you don't have a quarterback?

Chiefs fans

Know why?

They don't know any better.

The only franchise quarterbacks that have played at Arrowhead play for the other team (except for the short span Green was here after we traded a kings ransom for a 87 year old quarterback) so the fanbase naturally hates them.

The truefan gif would have never happened if we had taken a quarterback.

[Ace Gunner]

Originally Posted by BossChief

Who cares about the lines if you don't have a quarterback?

Chiefs fans

Know why?

They don't know any better.

The only franchise quarterbacks that have played at Arrowhead play for the other team (except for the short span Green was here after we traded a kings ransom for a 87 year old quarterback) so the fanbase naturally hates them.

The truefan gif would have never happened if we had taken a quarterback.

nah, it still all starts up front.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Originally Posted by KCUnited

"He can do more" than Sanchez, one veteran said Wednesday, speaking on the condition of anonymity.

I wonder if this veteran was at Jets West bonding with Mark.

Originally Posted by stonedstooge

Imagine how much better he would be doing if he would have went to Dirty Sanchez's weekend barbeque/Dane

/thread.

[BossChief]

In today's NFL?

No

No, it doesn't.

Go back and look at the teams that spent high picks on linemen in the last 10 years.

The only ones that profited were the teams that got pass rushers or the occasional stud left tackle.

You know where you should draft linemen?

In rounds 2-7

[BossChief]

Round 1 is for QBs, CBs, Pass rushers, wideouts and the occasional stud tight end or safety.

That's it.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by BossChief

You know where you should draft linemen?

In rounds 2-7

That's hyperbole.

Teams like the Rams, Ravens, 49ers, Packers and others have drafted lineman high and it hasn't hurt their Super Bowl chances.

[Simply Red]

Originally Posted by themanwithnoname

Sad thing is, there absolutely are people here that let race impact their opinions.

I have a lot of ninja friends.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by BossChief

Round 1 is for QBs, CBs, Pass rushers, wideouts and the occasional stud tight end or safety.

That's it.

So the Chiefs, Eagles, Titans, Cardinals and Jaguars all ****ed up in 2013?

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

So the Chiefs, Eagles, Titans, Cardinals and Jaguars all ****ed up in 2013?

Yes.

[Chiefshrink]

Should we expect anything different coming from the NY Sports Press Corp who is also tired of Sanchez

[BossChief]

Give me a playmaker or a player that can cancel out an opposing playmaker before a linemen all ****ing day.

Give me Dion Jordan, Tavon Austin, Dee Milliner, Patterson, EJ Manuel or Geno Smith over Eric Fisher, Luke Joeckel or chance Warmack ANYDAY.

Lets see how that holds up over the next few years, shall we.

[Simply Red]

I bet Sanchez pulls more hot trim versus Geno though - that's the important thing in life.